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- Yoshi39, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40For those interested in further specs and price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128014
- ripzone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39The motherboard doesn't come with LinuxBIOS by default. The title is misleading.
From their website:
BIOS
1. 1 4Mbit flash ROM
2. Use of licensed AWARD BIOS
3. PnP 1.0a, DMI 2.0, SM BIOS 2.3, ACPI 1.0b
It's just that the code to support it was released in the SVN, it's not like this is the World's First motherboard using LinuxBIOS to be released... there are lots of them. - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Sweet. SLI, Firewire, coax and optical S/PDIF and I get to support FOSS!
I've been wanting to give 64Studio a shot and it's looking like this will be the board to do it on.
Dugg. - wormeyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Was anyone else confused and thought that it shipped with the linux bios? I was i guess it turns out that some amd engineer made it possible by releasing gpl code for the linuxbios to work on this mobo.
- mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Digg has quickly become stupid over the last few months, a good portion of the users on this board are 15 year old morons digging things up because its like voting, and of course digging people down because everyone else did.
The ever brilliant digg algorithm isn't smart enough to notice blog spam, and since there are no editors and half the users are nearly retarded, ***** like this gets 400 Diggs without anyone reading the page in question. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Good to see its from a popular manufacture like GigaByte too.
Does anyone have any details on how it compares to the proprietary mobos that are around?
Last time I heard the LinuxBIOS wouldn't boot Windows, which might have been fixed by now.
Also what the configuration stuff like, is there a easy to use text Menu like most BIOSes have nowadays or is it all CLI/modify the firmware and reflash? Any support for Splash screens etc?
Does the motherboard ship with the BIOS or is it just supported? - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"Apparently, it's already used in a lot of machines."
True, but there's one glaring difference between this board and most of the others: support for Athlon64 X2. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23For further details:
http://linuxbios.org/Supported_Motherboards
Apparently, it's already used in a lot of machines.
LinuxBIOS: The Forgotten Hero
,----[ Quote ]
| This begs the question: is anyone currently using LinuxBIOS on
| their machines? You bet they are. According to one recent report,
| LinuxBIOS was installed on about one million machines and that
| existing number is expected to rise significantly, assuming the
| rate of growth remains constant.
`----
http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=7694
Google Sponsors the LinuxBIOS project
http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=news&ID=31343
LinuxBIOS ready to go mainstream
http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/30/199208&from=rss - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11After looking around it seems that Windows 2000 is the only windows that has apparently been booted, Windows XP doesn't and I guess Vista has much less chance of booting. Not sure of 98, 95, MS-DOS status :)
Doesn't look like theres any user friendly setup interface, just a lxbios command line tool.
Would love to see LinuxBIOS ready for the desktop, but I think its got quite some time before its even remotely ready for the average user :(
But still good news for servers and developers and nice to see some support from a mobo manufacturer (assuming that it wasn't just one rogue engineer in his spear time) - DoodlesMcPooh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9For any UK users who wish to purchase this board you can get it here
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=25576281892&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3NwZWNpZmljYXRpb25z&product_uid=117729&spec_type=ZXh0ZW5kZWQ=
(not my site) - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9There's no DRM in EFI. Read the spec yourself.
- codyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm surprised more manufacturers haven't jumped on the bandwagon for this.. I mean, they can not only save money but gain tons of flexibility in terms of deployment of updates / user support...
If I build my new editing rig, I will give this one a definite consideration.... - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9cleanup up Ebuyer link
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?product_uid=117729 - squegie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Firefox: [Ctrl] + [+]
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6As much as I want this to actually be the first mobo shipping with a LinuxBIOS.... it's not. It might be flashable to it, but it doesn't come with it. So it's inaccurate, by quite a bit.
- BooM82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@mobilehavoc: http://linuxbios.org/Welcome_to_LinuxBIOS
* 100% Free Software (GPL), no royalties, no license fees!
* Fast boot times (3 seconds from power-on to Linux console)
* Avoids the need for a slow, buggy, proprietary BIOS
* Runs in 32-Bit protected mode almost from the start
* Written in C, contains virtually no assembly code
* Supports a wide variety of hardware and payloads
* Further features: netboot, serial console, remote flashing, ... - davearter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7cleanup up up Ebuyer link
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/117729
:P - Ozzy73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Was that hard to read for anyone else? They didnt choose a good font
- ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9It's not sold with LinuxBIOS at all.
Buried. - SNIa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What is the license cost for an Award BIOS on each motherboard?
- bart9h, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Firefox default size for fixed font is way too small.
Go to Preferences / Content / Fonts & Colors / Advanced, and increase the size of the Monospace font. - mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3because Microsoft would be anti-trust sued to oblivion for buying the Bios Maker... the whole BIOS thing is a very quite little monopoly that makes PC makers and OS makers their bitch even more that Microsoft.
Who cares if Linux Bios works with Windows? Since Win2k there's been a lot of stuff added just for Microsoft short of them actually selling out. It's good to have a truely free system available. I'd like to know what Linux Distros boot on it OTB? Does it support and expose ALL the motherboard features? Would it be possible to get improved BIOS eproms so we could add many more features to our bios... after all, it's linux we could put drivers, network settings, all sorts of goodies right on the hardware!!! - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The problem is, for a manufacturer, there is no one else to fall back on when things go to *****.
Only thing a company values more than control is having support with things go *kabloom* - caliform, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ha, finallly, thanks, I thought all of the Linux/UNIX readers were as crazy to believe that an EFI had magical abilities .
- screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Good news for unstable people such as myself, who literally get depressed while reading stories about DRM.
- mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but it's the first REASONABLE one. I've watched the Linux BIOS site for a few years and it's almost exclusively AMD boards... There's many Tyan boards supported, but they are all very expensive server boards, the cheap stuff gets passed over. Also, they tend to be slightly out-of-date... Finding an actual Linux BIOS board you can purchase right now has always been a big problem for the project...
so yes, this is a big deal. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"You do know that DRM doesnt really do much with the motherboard right?"
DRM systems like TPM are entirely controlled by the motherboard upon boot. But that's okay, just put your head back in the sand and nobody will ever know. - DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think they should make the test smaller. some people might still be able to read it if thay have 640x480
- Tatusmi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1god. I almost dugg down for the awful font on that guy's site.
- oggb4mp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Damn, I just upgraded to an AM2 board a month ago. The one I got was from MSI and has basically the same feature set and chipset. I might buy this anyway and switch just to support the concept. I don't imagine I'd have any trouble selling the MSI board on ebay.
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So I'll ask the obvious question, apart from showing your support for the OSS community what REAL advantages are they for flashing with LinuxBIOS?
- DikZak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hmm, let me get my glasses.
Still unreadable.
Is it about Linux and usability? - HalFTW, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-060-GI
- mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll bite.
it's good to be written in C versus assembly because then it can be easily modified by non-ubergeeks. the idea of adding payloads is good... in the linux bios sense, you could put clustering software, web server, file server, etc right on the hardware....super instant boot! the only limit is the rather smallish size of EPROMS used.. but they make bigger, perhaps if this gets more traction we'll see that. Also some of the features are very important... most motherboards BIOS don't support any actual software running the machine... strictly machine code. In a cluster situation you need to be able to remotely get at the board... otherwise flashing to a new bios would require physically going to every machine with a floppy... can you imagine Google doing that?? Also Serial port access is another thing you have to pay a lot extra for because BIOS makers don't build it in.. again, what better way to remotely diagnose a dead board in a data center, but you have to pay several hundred extra dollars for a 3rd party bord to do that now... when most motherboards support powered serial and USB for almost 10 years!!!!
Bios makers seriously hold the progress of computers back in order to keep their little monopoly... remember how intel branded boards took 5 extra years to boot from USB devices versus AMD/Via boards from socket 7 days! - jp3550, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I like what im seeing! this is a good step!
- lump1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just to get it straight: This board isn't shipping with LinuxBIOS - it's just compatible with it, right? As far as I know, no board ships with LinuxBIOS - or so I would imagine, anyway. But if LinuxBIOS works as well as people claim, I wonder why not? I mean, why pay AWARD for the right to use their proprietary bios?
And on a tangentially-related matter, why isn't Microsoft buying a company like AWARD and making VISTA-BIOS, which would load parts of the Vista kernel from flash? It would be an excellent and evil way for them to lock in people with hardware, because even if they got Linux working, Vista would load a lot faster. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I might be wrong on this, but protected mode (on modern x86-64 CPUs) is automatically going into 32-bit mode for general processing, also known as Legacy Mode. Going to 64-bit from there requires an extra context switch, which currently is done by the functioning OS.
In the future it will probably make sense to expand support by shifting directly to 64bit Long Mode. - DrDabbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TPM and DRM are two separate systems. Sure, a violation of a DRM policy could kick off some process that talks to the TPM chip and tells it to disable option XYZ, or even disable the mobo...but they are not the same. So, you go bury your head.
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah? BUT does it run Linux...?
- CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because for the people who are not going to use Windows, it means we do not get weighed down by legacy crud that is there only for the purpose of supporting the Microsoft "backwards compatibility" demand.
Freed of that, anything is possible. Remember when they stopped shipping a BASIC ROM? - lump1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think you're right about the support issue in this case. If something goes wrong in the bios/mobo interaction for the user, they don't call AWARD, they call whoever made the motherboard. Award doesn't provide users with any warranties - it's the mobo manufacturer who does. So as it is, there is no liability for a bios distributor. But maybe the issue is that a company like AWARD can keep the trade secrets of the hardware manufacturers, and that's not a luxury they'd have with a GPL bios.
- schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If Linux boots off of my BIOS now, what's the point? This will only further the movement to Linux for the desktop if they have some kind of hardware requirement. I understand the concern over TPM, but why not make Linux break/ignore the TPM?
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