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- JC4P, on 10/12/2007, -4/+89Wow! NO ONE KNEW OF THIS! THIS IS COMPLETLY NEW INFORMATION!
- darkzealot89, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32So now our Linux Admins will be playing Waste of Wages all day and soon the internet tubes will be clogged!
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32just wait for Blizzard to start swinging the ban hammer because they can't put their spyware on your computer.
- jawbreaker4fs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24@sinner
Not sure I get the point you're trying to make....
World of Warcraft can be played on Linux, they're not saying that it's now made *for* Linux. What you're saying is tantamount to:
Me: Hey, I just drank a soda in my car.
You: OMFG, they don't make soda for cars n00b! - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16And afterwards you get free play-days because Blizzard realized that was dumb..
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21But it says "Suse 10.1", so it MUST be new. *smile*
Either way, let's help break this myth that Linux has no games. You can't reiterate this excessively because the misconceptions refuse to due. - j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16And then you get banned for using an automated program? -_-
- d0nk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I've had WoW working fine under linux since wine 0.9.12 or so, but wine 0.9.25 (current) doesn't require a patch if you have a nvidia card with the flicker bug.
I'm sure WoW has run under wine a whole lot longer than since wine 0.9.12, but I haven't been playing WoW very long... - raptordrew, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9...Yay?
- socket, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Just get ready for a 40%-60% frame rate drop over native Windows. I tried this as an option and was underwhelmed by the performance. I'm back to running in native Windows when I game.
Cedega is a minor improvement with slightly better frame rates, but still nothing to write home to mother about. - DigitalGeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah So Does Counter-Strike: Source.... This is OLD NEWS. Still Useful to those who dont know tho...
- Brigadier, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I suppose Windows is an option if you have that on your computer... This one doesn't yet...
- Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You know, I know Digg'rs complain about obvious news stories making the front page is ok because people will digg if it is interesting, but there is a certain level of responsibility you have to accept when you click that "digg" button on something just because it is "cool" over it actually being "newsworthy".
- ikak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7WINE - Wine is not an emulator!
- cyberswat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1040-60% frame rate degradation? I run WoW on Wine and have for a long time. WoW runs on average 50fps according to titan panel on my system.
The most annoying thing about these conversations are the people that say "it doesn't work as good as windows so I'm switching back to windows" ... It's not proprietary ... it will never work the same as the proprietary versions. If you expect it to be windows you may as well save the time and keep paying M$. Just do the rest of us a favor and stop bitching about it.
If you want a system that doesn't run windows and doesn't support the licensing or "intellectual rights" of companies like Microsoft and now Novell then use an appropriate distribution like Gentoo, Ubuntu or even raw Debian. The simple fact is that you can use these systems as gaming machines if you take the time to figure it out. The point of articles like this one is that everyday it is becoming a more legitimate undertaking for "normal" computer users to stop using video games as the justification for staying with M$
I play WoW, Oblivion, Star Wars Battlefront, and F.E.A.R regularly on my Linux box. I'm intelligent enough to know not to expect the same performance as windows ... as such, I'm perfectly happy with my game play. - izzybomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I like his use of alliteration though.
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And, thus, Ballmer's evil plan to destroy productivity on the Linux platform takes a small step forward.
- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No it's not! Educate yourself before going "it's the same thing because I don't understand the difference".
WINE = Open source versions of the Windows APIs and system calls. This is all native. The only "emulation" happening is making the program believe it's running in Windows, all the API calls are done natively. There is a reason why WINE only works on the x86 architecture. - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have done my homework. I have run WoW using Cedega in Ubuntu and performance was noticably poorer than in windows on the same machines. I lost about 20fps on average. I don't know what else you want besides a first hand experience but I might suggest you do your own homework.
Using Wine or Cedega does indeed cause games to run slower. Sure, Wine is not an emulator. It's a compatability layer. Same difference. And there is a performance loss across the board on any games I have attempted to run on linux. Except for games with a linux port. NWN, Tribes 2 and ET all run better in linux. - Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Socket
Yes WINE may be yet another abstraction layer between hardware and the program. But if the underlying abstraction layers (below WINE) are faster than native Win32 (seeing as Win32 is a steaming pile of ***** thats fairly likely) then it's not only possible to match performance, but its possible to BEAT performance on windows (a la call of duty). - robuk24, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5World of Warcraft is EVIL
/recovering addict - daedal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm a Linux "noob" and I tried this out last week on Ubuntu with Wine and was pleasantly surprised at just how easy it was to run. Basically, all you have to do is install Wine, edit the Config.wtf file to run under OpenGL and open wow.exe with Wine. Done.
- Latka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know i'm talking about an old game (it rocks anyway)
But Quake 3 runs a lot more faster and prettier one WINE under Linux than in native win32. Even faster than the real Linux Q3 client.
Too bad newer games are D3D only :( - Brigadier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is possible to tweak things. The simplest thing is the -d3d and -opengl options (for wow.exe). They'll select whether you use the OpenGL api or the Direct3D api. Performance will probably differ between the two. There may also be a difference with different video drivers - depending on whether you use Nvidia's own drivers or the ones that came with your distro.
I'm very happy with the performance that I'm getting. Very. - jawbreaker4fs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It's ridiculous to argue semantics like this! The point is that it can be *played* on Linux.. nobody's making the claim that WoW is now natively ported to Linux. If I run a SNES emulator on my GP2X and play Super Mario World, then I can now play that game in Linux but I'm not saying that Nintendo all of a sudden decided to put out a version of Super Mario World for Linux.
- Brigadier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20.9.12 was the version that came with OpenSuse and I had trouble with it (NVidia card like you said). Some users would just try the Wine that comes with Suse and assume it's broken.
So not breaking news, but helpful when there's a lot of old info out there that doesn't mention version numbers. - socket, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I shouldn't be using the word emulate, I know... I understand WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR. ;p But its still a middle layer that is not native to the OS. Figured I should get that out before someone butt rapes me over it.
- hadak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In other news, the sky is blue.
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I have had no problem with fps under linux, I run WoW on my laptop under wine with a radeon mobility 9000 64MB and it still gets about 30fps, which is just about the same as I get under Win-blows...
- Latka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, but with experimental D3D acceleration, some games work. I doubt WoW would work though, i'm guessing it uses Pixel Shaders?
- metallikop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Please do your homework before making posts like this. If you're running OpenGL (not DirectX) you won't notice any framerate loss. This may sound fanboyish, even though I'm not, but I actually had better frame rates in nasty places like Ironforge and Stormwind. WINE stands for Wine is Not an Emulator, therefor games will not run slower on linux then windows. What I have noticed is some odd artifacts in games that aren't fully supported by Cedega/Transgaming.
- evilgold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1as long as you have the latest version of wine you dont need to edit anything. You can just double click the icon on the dekstop and it will load up fine. If you want better performance you can use opengl by passing the -opengl command in the shortcut (or edit the config file if you want) but thats EXACTLY how you do it in windows also.
So no its not less hassle to play it in windows, its exactly the same. - Nighthawke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Any other mainstream games been run successfully on WINE, like EVE-Online or Everquest?
- thestorey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2No *****? I guess my Linux Box was from the future....
- rmnsf936, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This really makes you think how much Linux is coming into use. It 5-10 years maybe less it could be the primary OS.
- Protoman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe in another 5-10 years they will make a game avaliable on Linux because it might actually be worth it.
- nerditup, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Beer is not an emulator!
- marthaphoebe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Has anyone run wow on a VMware XP instance?
- Protoman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I just double-click my icon in windows to play. Less hassle.
- jd230, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4WoW is so lame. Get out and do something real with your lives. Seriously.
- evilgold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I can run WoW just fine using D3D or OpenGL in wine. In fact, it runs just as well if not better then on windows. Although since I've never tried it on windows i don't really know.
Everyone complaining about how Linux has no games, and wine runs things worse then windows obviously hasn't tried using it. First there are quite a few Linux native games, yes even ones with great details. Second, Although wine is not perfect, it is getting to the point where you can take most any game and get it working fine under Linux. WoW isn't even the best example of this (although it runs perfectly), Half-Life 2, CS-Source, even extremely modern games like oblivion are now working with wine. - Brigadier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If you have Windows and that's the OS you keep up. My new Linux computer is a whole lot faster than my Windows laptop (CPU-wise) but it doesn't run Windows at all right now. Besides, if I'm in the middle of ten things I wouldn't want to shut down so I can pop in to WoW for an hour.
- socket, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@plamoni
You're either full of ***** or not testing properly. The emulation layer of WINE (and Cedega) causes performance to be less then in the native environment. If you claim differently then I congratulate you for finding a solution to a problem no one else has been able to overcome. - socket, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@cyberswat
You can expect to get 70-80 FPS in Windows then. I've tested this extensively. I'm not trying to rip on WINE or Linux at all. I've been using Linux for the better part of 10 years now. I love Ubuntu and Gentoo more then anything MS has ever done. But that doesn't take away from that fact when you emulate the Windows API performance in 3D games will suffer. I think the better alternative is a full port of the Mac version of WoW to Linux. But don't expect to see that coming anytime soon. WINE and Cedega are fine is you have no other choice. - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@archer75
I have too, and I get the same frame rate and performance in windows and under wine. All i did was point wine to the installation on my NTFS drive and run it. Simple and fast. - Protoman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Oh, so if you dont have SuSE, you need to go download it and install it, then get wine, and install WoW and then you can play. I love how easy linux is too use.
- dygel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Others have pointed out already that this is old news. What would have been more apropos to post would instead be a link about how the entire user base that was playing WoW over WINE through Cedega was recently banned erroneously because Blizzard's in-house bot-catching software identified them as botters. Oops.!
- trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7Boycot Novell!
- sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -18/+16Technically, Linux doesn't have *this* game, because you have to use Wine to get it to work, which is basically a bunch of reverse engineered dll's forming a compatibility layer.
Almost any game would be a "Linux" game if you got it work right within Wine. I can put a Chevrolet LS1 in my Toyota, but it'd still be a Toyota. - hadak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Foot. Gun. Shoot. Now.
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