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- redhatcat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Time for an operating system you own, instead of the reverse.
- bitterg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17"OK, This is lame."
I never knew the purpose of that Bury option until I read this article. The author has taken comments from a CNET story to show that some people are upset at Microsoft.
Is this news to anyone? Are discussion points at CNET the pulse of the Internet? This is just pathetic. - jsusanka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I hope this is true.
The only thing these coporations understand RIAA, Mirocosoft, and soon to be IPTV that insist on shoving DRM down our throats is money.
So I stop buying anything that has DRM on it - Period. Boycotting is the only thing they understand. You have got to hit them where it hurts.
The only problem is with microsoft they get money when someone buys a dell laptop even if you delete their os and install the better os. So we need to buy from companies that sell laptops with linux pre-installed. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12So, the US is now Soviet Russia?
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"The one license transfer is completely unfair. I will not be upgrading to vista, and if i'm forsed to, i'll be stealing it."
lol.... - OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5People will mostly just think the situation sucks, but grudgingly accept it. Maybe people will actually start putting pressure on Microsoft to treat their customers better a few OS releases from now.
- TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6archer, I'm normally a nice guy.
But people like you drive me frigging insane.
What, exactly, are you trying to do in Linux that Windows lets you do easier? Unless you're a gamer or you need to compile/run microsoft proprietary code, I can't find a single thing that Linux can't either match or completely blow out of the water. Security, stability, managing files and applications, eliminating the possibility for a virus to wreck your system, the omission of rootkits, the list goes on. If your system doesn't "just work" like Windows "just works" for you, something's wrong. Maybe, like many people new to Linux, you didn't know what distribution was right for you. And that's totally understandable -- understanding distributions is hard if you're new. But if you read around and see that Ubuntu or Mandriva is what matches you best as a user, it's going to fit your needs, hands down.
It's not the software the difficult. Like *anything* new, there's a learning curve. Just because you're used to Windows doesn't mean Linux has to be anything like it to be good. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I know it's off-topic, but don't you think there should be a Microsoft category on Digg so people didn't have to put stories about Microsoft in the Apple or Linux/Unix categories?
- kilps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I thought that I'd just point out that since I jave switched to Ubuntu my wireless has been 10 times more relyable, and I can do everything I previously had been able to do just as well if not better ... sure there are problems but calling linux amatureish is just uncalled-for - there are a lot of very polished and professional distros out there which I believe are only struggiling because hardware vedors do not open up their drivers
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Microsoft needs to wakeup to the reality of how people use computers these days.
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's a very good reason to use Linux. Or were you implying the opposite?
- syco123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't you get it?? MS doesn't want to stop piracy, they would lose their market dominance. The licence issue will not stop pirates (VLK Vista coming to you soon), it's a pandering to share holders and like so many other situations in life, the only people to get screwed are the honest ones.
If every software pirate in the world switched to the current flavor of choice (k)ubuntu. Software vendors would sit up and pay attention to the 1,000,000's of potential new customers.
I have nothing against MS as an OS (their business practices do hurt the industries development, but that's for another time) and have used Linux (Mandrake, SUSE, fedora, ubuntu, kubuntu) for 6 years on dual boot but only to keep an eye on it's progress. And I'm always dissapointed. My XP partition works well, has crashed maybe twice in the 3 months since buying my current laptop.
It's primary uses all involve connecting to the net via wireless. It's a HP DV500. Google that with rererance to kubuntu and you'll see why im dissapointed with it. If I overwrite XP as everyone always suggests, then I'll have no wireless connection and a complex solution that is way beyond most converts to Linux. There are solutions to make it work but should I be expected to fight? I didn't with XP. Yes, kubuntu is free, but if im expected to switch over 100%, as i'm constantly being told is the solution to MS woes, then it should be as simple. Don't tell me it is, I'm a user and I'm telling you it isn't.
Read archer75's posts above. He is a Linux user, his complaints were dugg down.
It pisses me off so much to see fanboy zealots ignoring the problems of Linux while slating MS. I WANT to recommend Linux. I use Open Office, Gimpshop, Firefox, Thunderbird, and i want to use Linux but I just can't right now. Ubuntu is great, but it's lacking in some very important areas (like a simple wireless connection). Until then I'll have to keep using MS, whether I want to or not.
Has anyone read this far? Attention spans ain't what they used to ... hey look a fire truck. - tewas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I installed ubuntu on my laptop few weeks ago. It had all the drivers i needed, but when i reinstalled WinXP professional it took me few hours to install all the drivers i needed, and still i couldn't use my "mouse pad" the way it should work. Of course doing system restore with WinXP home fixed this problem. Point is that today's Linux systems has much better driver support than they had few years ago.
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Unless you are someone who upgrades/reinstalls his system frequently. You can no longer do that with Vista. It will turn itself into a locked down box, no running programs; only a web browser. Until you register.... Of course you only get two time to register EVER with the license. This is going to effect people big time.
Most of my pc friends all do a 6th month backup/reformat/reinstall religiously. Keeps windows running best. Now they can't do that. - cmiz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I've used OS X for the last 18 months, and although it's nice... there are certainly a lot of things that Windows does better. (Finder, in my opinion, is a terrible file manager and needs to be revamped in a bad way. lots of good ideas, but poor implementation.)
Linux is a really nice operating system, and is a lot better than most people give it credit for (by "Linux" i mean Kubuntu because that's what i currently use). Linux still has the problem with lack of device drivers. although you could argue up and down that it is the fault of the hardware companies, it is still a big problem in a few areas (like wireless drivers). Personally, I'd probably put all three operating systems at a tie, it really depends on what you're looking for.
I'm not looking forward to the hardcore DRM coming with Vista, and I've already paid the Apple tax once and doubt I'll be doing it again anytime soon (the new toy effect wore off after about two weeks and now I wish I had gone with a thinkpad)... so I think my next machine will probably be running either XP or Kubuntu (or both). - barius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4DRM may be pushed by the multimedia companies, but it's MS that is capitalizing on the trend. MS makes alot of money by selling their DRM technology to anyone that wants to buy it. The funny thing is, when someone breaks their DRM, MS simply comes up with a new version and charges the user *and* the multimedias for the upgrade. In effect, you are paying for the DRM that the multimedia companies want you to use on top of what they pay, without ever asking for it. That's why MS is evil.
- featherston, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Vista is the ultimate 'Trojan Horse' operating system. I don't think anyone outside of MS knows what it will do for the world of technology. When I think of Vista, I think of 'trusted computing.'
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I will be affected by it. Am I less important than you?
- zclip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm personally in a real pickle right now. The system I use right now I built a few years ago myself, and I love it. I also know all the ins and outs and when things go wrong, I usually know how to fix it right away.
At school I get to work on Mac's and I like them enough but I suppose I lack the experience to feel as confident as I would on a PC.
I do not like the prospect of running Vista at all, and since Linux is out of the question (I'm a graphic designer), the only alternative is a Mac in order to take advantage of 64-bit technology, especially once the apps start supporting it as well.
And before you say something like "you could use GIMP," please consider the fact that you probably don't know ANYTHING about graphic design. When InDesign and Illustrator are ported to *nix with all their capabilities, then we'll talk. - NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2More proof that if 'Vista' is in the title the post will appear on the front page.
- general13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yet another "This is the year of Linux!" article. These things have been around forever.
Buried. *yawn* - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I didn't know whether to digg you up or down. But I dugg you down for the blatant trickery.
- halfcockedjack, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I think the author is completely overstating the situation. The reality is that the vast majority of Vista users won't even be affected by this.
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You don't have to switch to Linux to put pressure on them, just don't switch away from XP. Keep moving XP to your new computer until the day they stop supporting it (which is ~10 yrs) and you'll be putting just as much financial pressure on them.
Of course, MS can put alot of pressure back on you by making sure their 'new and improved' applications only run on 'new and improved' operating systems... In the end, you will either pay their taxes or move to the land of the Free. - WhackingDay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep, I've got an iPod and the only stuff on it is beautiful, DRM-free MP3 files that I ripped from personally owned CDs.
The move towards electronic only music has been pissing me off for a few years now. There should be DRM-free alternatives to the current style of buying individual songs.
I should be able to go into a CD store, pick a bunch of songs I want at whatever price-per-song they want to use and burn them to a CD for me. - TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was faced with the same dilema awhile back. I bit the bullet and got a mac. You'd be amazed how fast you'll master it. Once you own the machine and aren't locked into school permissions and such, you'll know it inside and out in your first week. No regrets here -- I'm a graphic designer/web developer/programmer.
Good luck choosing :) - Shigun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While, that would be a good idea, XP support for the common user (IE, those who are not running "Professional" Edition) is not going to continue for another 10 years. Try, for about another 2 months:
"For consumer products, security updates will be available through the end of the mainstream phase. For Windows XP Home Edition, there will be no security updates after 12/31/06." Regarding paid support for problems unrelated to security patches, I was told that "Users who want to continue to receive support after the Microsoft assisted and paid support offerings have ended may visit the Retired Product Support Options Web site." - steviedisco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As we all know, 78% of all statistics are made up anyway.
- EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1stmiller, you can reinstall Vista on the same hardware as often as you want. You can change a lot of things (HD's, Video cards, ect) without running into any issues.
This is all about moving it to a new machine - Schpariel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1-deleted-
- Schpariel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Keep using Windows people... Let it tighten it's grasp upon you - in the end the OS would control you.
It's a sad fact that Windows controls over 90% of the PC market, Microsoft can do anything with your OS - and you can't do jack about it.
... of course, I'll be flamed if I say "Switch to Linux" - because many users are Dependant on apps that are only available on Windows. And many of them don't know any better. - djliquidice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1woot! click that thumbs down button you lemmings.
- libervisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Curufir: The license will change to what? Exactly because a number of people didn't agree to restrictive licenses by others they have made one (and many others) that they can accept, which is GPL. So you seem to be in agreement here with me actually, not disagreement. :)
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In capitalist america, operating system owns you!
Sounds about right... - libervisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"It pisses me off so much to see fanboy zealots ignoring the problems of Linux while slating MS. I WANT to recommend Linux."
In this case, the problem being pointed out about MS is not so much a technical one as it is about the state of your rights as a potential Windows Vista user. It is expected to be so full of DRM and now even more restrictive licensing rigorously enforced by things like their WGA program, that just keeping legal becomes a thing of high maintenance. Who could be blamed for looking for alternatives? And why would it be a bad thing for those who are already using these alternatives to call upon everyone's attention so that others would try them too. We're basically saying; "hey you guys over there in the windows land, if you're tired of Microsofts restrictive policy, why not give this a try. It's not perfect, but it's getting way better, and best of all it's free in multiple senses of the word!
I don't claim it is problem-free because it is not. Wireless is one of the weak spots at this point. However it's getting significantly better every time, and to keep up to date to its progress you really ought to be checking it out every few months, because overall progress is just that fast.
That doesn't make us zealots, enthusiasts maybe, but to say intentions are bad would be way wrong. And you can't say we're being payed to say this either. Who's paying us? Novell, RedHat and Ubuntu? Come on, you know GNU/Linux guys don't invest a lot in marketing. :P
Regards
Danijel - libervisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If I am a zealot I wonder what does that make you for not being able to resist posting what you just did, in a slanted kind of way.
First, when I talk about "free" I talk about our (including yours and mine) rights, so indeed if we don't have 100% of those rights, what does that leave us? If you're so inclined to feel for only 90% of your human rights so be it, but speak for yourself then please.
The issue clearly is the issue of human rights, except if we're all animals (funny, some people will argue that too).
Second, what do beer, hookers and Porches have to do with this?
Thank you
Danijel - libervisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Curufir: "The same as software. Nothing."
So the fact that you can't transfer Vista more than once to a new computer, among many other very real restrictions to what you can and can't do with your Vista powered computers, have nothing to do with software?
You must be terribly blind not to see the relation between software and rights. You might as well say that software licenses have nothing to do with software.
But of course, even though that is exactly how it sounds, you are not saying that. Maybe you just believe your rights don't matter so much and that Microsoft's bottom line is more important than yours. Wow, man, you're so generous towards them. Let's just get wasted while they pick out all of our rights. Who needs 'em anyway! :D
Way to go! - TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That sounds great in theory, but computers aren't dependent upon iTunes to run. If iTunes gets corrupted, you install a new copy on the same machine and you're set. If your motherboard fries, there's no way to reinstall Vista on it to decertify it.
- Curufir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@libervisco
It's just a pity the FSF was started in the US. If it was an arabic venture we could have had "jihad" join the rest of the deliberately misused emotive languge in their manifesto.
Shouting "What about our rights?" concerning a license people sign up to voluntarily is just pathetic. The license offends you? Don't purchase the license. If enough people don't purchase a license then guess what...the license will change. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Do you have an iPod?
- archer75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1My soundblaster X-Fi card has no drivers. ATI drivers are crap. While my printer works I don't get the control panel I have in windows with the various options that I use. Same with my scanner. Skype is a few versions behind in linux.
My ipod works in linux though not as easily as the sync features with using itunes. I also download alot of podcasts and they sync nicely with my ipod with no effort on my part. Amarok also has podcast support but the app itself is clumsy, unstable and not as user friendly as itunes.
I have yet to find a DVD authoring app or quality DVD backup apps. Poor personal finance apps. I want to use quicken or money for thier features. No logitech app for interfacing and creating custom gaming profiles for my wireless G7 mouse.
Yes, I am a gamer and getting alot of them working with acceptable framerates can be a pain in the ass.
I have a belkin raid controller card that won't work in Ubuntu. I have a USB hub that prevents ubuntu from booting at all. No linux support for my SATA 2 port on my motherboard.
So while I can get most stuff running it doesn't give me all the features that I use on windows nor the user friendliness. It just ends up being a huge hassle and a waste of time. I have nothing against microsoft. I go with what works best and that's all I care about.
My many years of running linux has shown me that linux and the apps are no more stable than windows. I have used many distros on many computer builds and have never been happy with the stability. This is really probably less about the OS and more about software/hardware vendor support. - iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1yeah I know, they do that because they love me
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7This guy is a zealot. I've gotten into it with him on other boards. He thinks all software should be 100% free and that it is a violation of human rights if it is not.
Personally, I think all hookers, beer and Porsches should be 100% free and it is a violation of my human rights if they are not. Screw software. - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3DRM isn't a microsoft thing. It's a RIAA and MPAA thing. They are putting the DRM in thier products and setting the requirements for how it is played.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Sort-of. You have to cast it in a negative light, though, or your chances are about 90% lower. It's kind of the opposite of the word 'Apple'.
- Curufir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Second, what do beer, hookers and Porches have to do with this?"
The same as software. Nothing. - benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5more fanboy drivel, marked as lame.
- ianhl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Why not use the iTunes approach? Certify a machine for Vista. When you know you want to put on another machine, decertify first. After the new install, log on and certify.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3A few gripes on CNET don't really indicate a trend. marked as inaccurate. (and maybe it should be "ok, this is lame" too)
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3“Time for an operating system you own, instead of the reverse.”
I'd rather have an operating system that doesn't present problems every couple of minutes. Notice how I remembered to click the reply button -
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