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- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -3/+82they shouldnt force 1.0 because of an anniversary, if it takes 1000000 more bug fixes for it to feel like 1.0 software i'd be willing to wait
- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -2/+70Actually you're absolutely wrong. OS is not slow. Open Source software generally follows the 'release early, release often' philosophy. It really helps the development process; you might want to take a look at ESR's Catb.
Just compare how often Fedora or Ubuntu release new versions and compare that with Windows. - HCviolence, on 03/19/2008, -4/+61I'm pretty sure WINE hitting 1.0 will cause a rift in the space time continuum.
- HaloZero, on 03/19/2008, -1/+49There better be something real nice in 1.0 to justify this other than its a anniversary.
- aldenhg, on 03/19/2008, -0/+33True dat. Version numbers are meaningless. Functionality is all that matters.
- daftman, on 03/19/2008, -1/+32You are both right!
OS is slow from a marketing point. No major version increase means no big improvement to marketing people
It is fast from a technical feature points. Every minor version adds new features. E.g Gnome, Linux, Eclipse, KDE - jlebrech, on 03/19/2008, -4/+34Will 2.0 run Crysis?
- carpespasm, on 03/19/2008, -2/+28So the criteria for completeness is only 4 apps? I know they probably chose 4 apps that use the widest range of features they can, but what are the standards they have chosen to call this the 1.0 release? Is it just that the numbering system is finally rolling through 1.0 or is there a place where they said "we really need to be compatible with this list of things" before calling it 1.0?
In any event, GO WINE! - Altanar, on 03/19/2008, -1/+25I don't take 1.0 as being "done." Seriously, what application in the history of computers has been perfect at 1.0? So why would people comment that 1.0 is "complete?"
- binaryloop, on 03/19/2008, -0/+24Just in time to run Duke Nukem Forever!
- newbill123, on 03/19/2008, -0/+22The list of 100 bugs that have been targeted for fixing before version 1.0 are still around, but the diversity makes it more of a wish list than a deterministic goal. The decision to limit release testing to 4 apps seems to be a decision to narrow the focus during the final run of testing. The apps chosen were Photoshop CS2 Tryout, and the Word, Excel, & PowerPoint Viewers.
* They don't require financial investment (i.e. free as in beer).
* They will have a wide audience of casual users and professional testers.
When Wine 1.0 is actually released, it will be interesting to see what progress was made on the 100 bug list (my guess? about 35-40% but I'd love to be surprised). Certainly the list of platinum apps will differ from today's list, and it might even be smaller. But 1.0 isn't about forking or stopping development; in Wine's case, it's about setting up the starting line for users to start participating. - RetepNamenots, on 03/19/2008, -2/+23The software that Wine is intended to be used to run isn't open source, though.
- ThantiK, on 03/19/2008, -2/+23I honestly think they shouldn't be pushing Wine 1.0 because it's a 15yr anniversary - I want 1.0 when it's ready, not because the general public just "wants it to hit 1.0 already". In my opinion 1.0 should be reserved for some major increase in usability, major increase in compatibility, or major overhaul of some underlying structure of the program.
Secondly, given the animosity of linux users aimed at "big bad ol' microsoft" - I would figure the "must have" top 4 programs would have been Adobe CS2/CS3 and something OTHER THAN Microsoft view apps. I mean seriously, how many people actually use those view apps?
A quick list that I'd throw together would be something along the lines of Adobe CS2/3 (The entire package), Ventrilo, Microsoft Office 2007 (entire package), and maybe a couple of games (handful at the most, but something doable). - manstein01, on 03/19/2008, -1/+21Um, no. And if it did Microsoft would quickly release "patches" that somehow would make it not run.
- Dested, on 03/19/2008, -2/+22Will it run Visual Studio?
- mossblaser, on 03/19/2008, -1/+21My Hello, World! App was perfect at V1.0
- SniperSlap, on 03/19/2008, -3/+22This is great news.
We have to remember that WINE will always be around long after Microsoft either dies *or* fully discontinues support of a Win32/DirectX platform.
Another important detail to remember is that WINE provides some pretty good 32bit legacy support in 64/32 bit versions of Linux. Especially considering how Vista64 is playing out. That's the important detail: legacy.
What they offer is completely extraordinary and we should be glad we have anything at all. As far as everything is concerned, WINE has a purpose and they should continue to develop towards the pointless and deliberately complex and slow moving bar of MS platforms.
Congratulations WINE! - Eoxx, on 03/19/2008, -0/+18For those who won't read the page and don't understand the "4 apps limitation"
"Users are encouraged to test their favorite apps with the release candidate builds and report any problems they find, regardless of whether their apps are on the list of release criteria. If the fix is easy, we'll try to do it.
The app db lists 1227 platinum applications, so it may seem disappointing that WineReleaseCriteria only lists four applications as "must run well". The problem with expanding that list is that each new app adds a huge amount of testing to each release.
If you can provide an automated test case for your favorite platinum app, so that we can just run it without any manual work, we can add it to the list. Just post a link to your automated test script to wine-devel. One possibility is to adapt existing automated installer scripts such as the ones at http://wpkg.org/ or http://unattended.sourceforge.net/" - sarixe, on 03/19/2008, -0/+17Ubuntu's release cycle is 6 months... and there are always new features!
- ldog, on 03/19/2008, -2/+19It's got electrolytes this time.
- mossblaser, on 03/19/2008, -3/+19[Citation Needed]
- allowners, on 03/19/2008, -2/+17No wine before its time.
- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -27/+40Open Source may be slow, but generally don't release a new version till there is a need for one. Unlike most commercial apps that release a new version every six months whether there are new features or not, (I'm looking at you O&O Defrag).
- theOster, on 03/19/2008, -1/+13this has been my point for years - i think OS OS's are at the "knee of the curve" to use kurzweils term. they've been slow with advancements until recently, but the momentum is carrying development faster and faster. the next four years will see the same improvement that we saw in the past eight years and so on. i really think the OSS movement will be extremely prolific in the coming years and you'll see it seep into the mainstream at an astonishing rate.
- spartan777, on 03/19/2008, -0/+12and don't forget that often oss integrates features, and improves them at a more rapid rate. look at how how many new features were added to vista after 6 years in the oven, and how many features were added to ubuntu in 4 short years.
- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -1/+13You'll have to wait another 15 years to find out. :P
- directrix13, on 03/19/2008, -0/+11No, I've seen it. You forgot the line feed.
- Darkhacker, on 03/19/2008, -0/+11You can't count, but I'll forgive you. ;-)
I'm really let down by this announcement. I was expecting them to reach compatibility with the level of Windows XP before calling it 1.0. They'd never reach 1.0 if they were trying to be compatible with the most recent version, but I thought XP compatibility was reasonable. At the very least I expected to see Office 2003 on the list rather than just the viewers. - charlietuna, on 03/19/2008, -0/+10Well, psychologically a 1.0 release is about as important as celebrating y2k. The nature of their problem (diminishing returns) suggests that they really should just add a digit to pi for every ten API calls fixed, ie release 3.1 followed by release 3.14 etc etc.
- aladrin, on 03/19/2008, -0/+10Compare it to version 0 and you'll find it has made HUGE progress.
Heck, compare it to the halfway point, even. - NJank, on 03/19/2008, -2/+11yeah, because we all remember how stable and useful windows 1.0 felt...
- stomachache, on 03/19/2008, -0/+9Not really at no cost, however. You still need a Windows license to run it under VMWare, besides the actual application license (if not free/open source).
- MWeather, on 03/19/2008, -0/+9It'll run Blender ON Linux.
- EnterDaMatrix, on 03/19/2008, -2/+11I read earlier that 1.0 wouldn't be released until it had 100% compatibility, similar to freedos. I'm concerned that they are lowering their goals, it could negatively effect the whole project. If I could choose 3 apps to truly challange Wine devs they would be Office 2007, Crysis, Adobe Suite CS3, and 3Ds Max 10.0.
- MWeather, on 03/19/2008, -0/+9I'll take new bugs over old bugs any day.
- Culyt, on 03/19/2008, -0/+9You will probably need to compile it from source with --enable-spacetimerift for that as I think Microsoft own the patent.
- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -0/+9it's felt like a 1.0 release for ages
- sirhomer, on 03/19/2008, -0/+8Please fill out a bug report, and or become the official app maintainer for your virus..
- sarixe, on 03/19/2008, -1/+9...try 7 years
- MWeather, on 03/19/2008, -0/+8As opposed to subsequent Windows releases?
- Vektuz, on 03/19/2008, -0/+8And didn't use UTF-8. THINK OF THE (turkish) CHILDREN!
- flashingcurser, on 03/19/2008, -2/+10Obligatory:
"Will my favorite ________ program work now?" - inactive, on 03/19/2008, -0/+7Because windows apps keep coming out as well as new libraries and versions of direct X, if we went about it that way wine would never reach 1.0.
It's just a number... I don't really understand what the big deal is.. It isnt like they are going to stop development at 1.0. - funkyjunk3, on 03/19/2008, -0/+7to paraphrase Vektuz, the 4 programs are some of the tougher nuts to crack. In making them work they will help develop a better basis for all other programs.
- thallenthur, on 03/19/2008, -0/+7Blender runs on Linux natively :D.
- chrisatwork, on 03/19/2008, -1/+8And it is possibly the largest single OSS project.
- polywaffle, on 03/19/2008, -0/+7Not to mention, users wont have to be tied to windows to use the billions of apps designed for it
- inactive, on 03/19/2008, -0/+7Some of us dont actually own windows CD's to make the vms run. Its nice just to be able to run it with wine. Also it's far less demanding on my hardware which allows me to do other things in linux while im running windows applications.
- fuzzynyanko, on 03/19/2008, -1/+7Visual Studio .NET is pretty good, but I'd recommend giving Eclipse a shot. If you really need the program, try it on VMWare
- socalrob, on 03/19/2008, -2/+8But microsoft makes a crapload of products. They don't really need to release a new version of windows every year.
Apple on the other hand, and I don't have a mac so I'm not exact with this, but what every 18 months or so they release a new 10.xx os and charge another 100 bucks for it or something? Then again they don't make as nearly as many software based products as microsoft. Nor is apples software as widespread as microsoft.
All in all, microsoft can afford to only realase new versions every other year since they are so huge. -
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