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Open Source may be slow, but generally don't release a new version till there is a need for one. Unlike most commercial apps that release a new version every six months whether there are new features or not, (I'm looking at you O&O Defrag).

So the criteria for completeness is only 4 apps? I know they probably chose 4 apps that use the widest range of features they can, but what are the standards they have chosen to call this the 1.0 release? Is it just that the numbering system is finally rolling through 1.0 or is there a place where they said "we really need to be compatible with this list of things" before calling it 1.0?

In any event, GO WINE!

I'm pretty sure WINE hitting 1.0 will cause a rift in the space time continuum.

they shouldnt force 1.0 because of an anniversary, if it takes 1000000 more bug fixes for it to feel like 1.0 software i'd be willing to wait

There better be something real nice in 1.0 to justify this other than its a anniversary.

Will it run Visual Studio?

I don't take 1.0 as being "done." Seriously, what application in the history of computers has been perfect at 1.0? So why would people comment that 1.0 is "complete?"

No wine before its time.

Will 2.0 run Crysis?

I honestly think they shouldn't be pushing Wine 1.0 because it's a 15yr anniversary - I want 1.0 when it's ready, not because the general public just "wants it to hit 1.0 already". In my opinion 1.0 should be reserved for some major increase in usability, major increase in compatibility, or major overhaul of some underlying structure of the program.
Secondly, given the animosity of linux users aimed at "big bad ol' microsoft" - I would figure the "must have" top 4 programs would have been Adobe CS2/CS3 and something OTHER THAN Microsoft view apps. I mean seriously, how many people actually use those view apps?

A quick list that I'd throw together would be something along the lines of Adobe CS2/3 (The entire package), Ventrilo, Microsoft Office 2007 (entire package), and maybe a couple of games (handful at the most, but something doable).

Never really used Wine, if an application doesn't have a Linux counterpart I prefer to use a virtual machine, you can have VMWare at no cost just, to me it's a simpler way to get a Windows app working on another SO.
However Wine is really a great effort, kudos to all the work done so far.

For those who won't read the page and don't understand the "4 apps limitation"

"Users are encouraged to test their favorite apps with the release candidate builds and report any problems they find, regardless of whether their apps are on the list of release criteria. If the fix is easy, we'll try to do it.
The app db lists 1227 platinum applications, so it may seem disappointing that WineReleaseCriteria only lists four applications as "must run well". The problem with expanding that list is that each new app adds a huge amount of testing to each release.
If you can provide an automated test case for your favorite platinum app, so that we can just run it without any manual work, we can add it to the list. Just post a link to your automated test script to wine-devel. One possibility is to adapt existing automated installer scripts such as the ones at http://wpkg.org/ or http://unattended.sourceforge.net/"

I read earlier that 1.0 wouldn't be released until it had 100% compatibility, similar to freedos. I'm concerned that they are lowering their goals, it could negatively effect the whole project. If I could choose 3 apps to truly challange Wine devs they would be Office 2007, Crysis, Adobe Suite CS3, and 3Ds Max 10.0.

So what's next in line for longest time of a major project avoiding 1.0? Wireshark?

Just in time to run Duke Nukem Forever!

This is great news.

We have to remember that WINE will always be around long after Microsoft either dies *or* fully discontinues support of a Win32/DirectX platform.

Another important detail to remember is that WINE provides some pretty good 32bit legacy support in 64/32 bit versions of Linux. Especially considering how Vista64 is playing out. That's the important detail: legacy.

What they offer is completely extraordinary and we should be glad we have anything at all. As far as everything is concerned, WINE has a purpose and they should continue to develop towards the pointless and deliberately complex and slow moving bar of MS platforms.

Congratulations WINE!

I was under the impression that the release numbers were arbitrary. I guess it's a bit less so then.

Well, psychologically a 1.0 release is about as important as celebrating y2k. The nature of their problem (diminishing returns) suggests that they really should just add a digit to pi for every ten API calls fixed, ie release 3.1 followed by release 3.14 etc etc.

Obligatory:

"Will my favorite ________ program work now?"

Thanks for the info. I'm a Linux user myself, so I'm really happy to hear that. I guess that more apps will work with this version, and maybe more games. Thanks for the info again!

*glares at bottle*... So thats why you gave me all those headaches. Great news indeed!

Will Wine 1.0 be able to play Duke Nukem Forever? *Ducks and runs for the door*

I tried to run a windows virus in wine yesterday. Cant say it worked. Maybe in the 1.1 release.

I like the fact that photoshop CS2 is in those 4 but I dont like the office applications. Sorry but in my opinion Open Office is better than microsoft office. There are other applications that I would have rather seen pooled together.

When I list the reasons why I dont use Linux full time it's because of the applications I need for my work. I do almost everything you can do in the "media" branch. Music, graphic design, 3D but mostly film post production and photography(that includes photomanipulation). The applications I use are mainly mac and windows based and i'm sorry but the open(or closed) source linux alternatives are not up to the standard I need for my work yet(note the yet).

I'm sure there are a lot of people who are with me on those reasons. It would have been great if they chose some different application types and not just different mircosoft office products... That includes maybe a game as well? Im sure a huge majority of wine users use wine for gaming and it would have been a wise move to target gamers with their 1.0 release.

gonna be able to handle .NET apps?

"But will it run Crysis" is actually appropriate in this thread.

carry two laptops FTW
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so now maybe you see why WINE is important to many.

Here is the problem with the Wine, In my experiences. (no I'm not trolling, I've used wine since 2004)

Most software , when hitting 1.0, have already gone through an optimization stage. While WINE has excellent DirectX functions, simple things like resizing windows that constantly redraw when you resize them is still painfully slow. I have to sit and watch as the window slowly grows and redraws. The application Miniaim (www.miniaim.net) suffers due to this. The fonts on some applications are so horribly aliased that you cannot read them. Winamp, as wonderful and optimized as it is (it can run on a p100 with 8MB RAM with no problems whatsoever) feels like its being run on an 8 MHz. Pop-up dialogs have the window manager's boxes around them. Sound skips horribly, lags, or pops. Using the media library is impossible. Even MS Paint lags with the mouse cursors. These things I consider big issues if I want to use WINE for things I would normally use Windows for.

If you don't believe me, run a program with wine using a terminal. Watch the torrent of FIXMEs and Unknown command errors fly by.

I know the WINE devs are concerned with making the viewers work, because if you get that working flawlessly, then most of the problems in Office itself will resolve. However, having bugs and FIXMEs with basic functions like drawing windows really makes me wonder of this is true 1.0 material.

The 15 year wait was totally worth it!

Does it run Winamp yet? Skype 4 Windows? No. oh well.

WINE Is Not an Emulator

That and Duke Nukem. I'll believe it when I see it.

are there any plans to make WINE for windows? i REALLY am not joking. the compatibility of XP and VISTA for some older win apps is horrible! the emulation modes under xp and vista are a joke. they do little if anything. for older win apps, i really want wine! any plans at all? has this been discussed?