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- ruskie, on 05/22/2009, -1/+27Does app x run on wine? http://appdb.winehq.org/
- duckkg5, on 05/23/2009, -1/+13wine is not
- xptweakerntn, on 05/23/2009, -0/+10eggplant.
- eqisow, on 05/23/2009, -0/+9No kidding, all they'd have to do is test it against Wine, which more and more Windows devs are starting to do.
- NMRgentleman, on 05/23/2009, -4/+13Windows is expensive. Probably a lot of not terribly rational anti-Microsoft sentiment motivating some users too though!
- MWeather, on 05/23/2009, -2/+10Or just copy all the dll files from a windows install in 5 seconds or so. Whichever method you prefer.
- Smegzor, on 05/22/2009, -2/+10I love it when they fix bugs in games I play :D
- aaron552, on 05/23/2009, -2/+10in short, yes
- srg13, on 05/23/2009, -1/+8Why would I run Windows for just two or three applications when I have a better alternative?
- rpgmakr, on 05/23/2009, -1/+8In shorter, just use openoffice and call it a day.
- tito13kfm, on 05/23/2009, -1/+8Learn to VM for anything non-gaming related.
- srg13, on 05/23/2009, -0/+7I use Photoshop on it quite regularly. It plays some of my Source games pretty well also...
- cquilliam, on 05/23/2009, -0/+6In shorter, spend $40, purchase a copy of Crossover Office for Linux (or become an advocate and get it for free). You can support the guys that support wine. I've been using office in linux using crossover for the longest time and it works great. They put priority on perfecting office in linux.
I know most people won't want to spend a few dollars because i'm the exact same way. Why pay for something when you can get it for free. But, I looked at these guys are how much they patrol the forums and make useful feedback to users, as well as the contributions they make back to the wine source code and felt the $40 was worth it. I later became an advocate and now get it for foree. - NuBiXx, on 05/23/2009, -1/+7****natural
- overridemymind, on 05/23/2009, -0/+6Wow, sea206town, you're a moron. Linux can do all the basics, same as any other OS. So your e-mail, spell check, keyboard support thing is completely retarded. The only thing remotely correct in your mindless rant was that Linux doesn't support most Windows games (no ***** -- they're coded for windows). Which is what wine is for, and why there's a story about a new wine release -- because the software is one step closer to being able to run games flawlessly.
- lodgelinks, on 05/23/2009, -4/+10My biggest reason is because I don't like needing a full windows installation just to play a game or two that I owned before dropping windows. Since it supports the Orange Box quite nicely, I've really enjoyed it. I'd love to fire up the Sims (i've only got the original) but it doesn't run in wine yet. I'm sure that eventually that will change. Since I am a very casual gamer, I don't miss it too much. I do agree though, for running Windows programs, windows is usually better. There are a few exceptions for some of the legacy apps/games out there.
- SavannahLion, on 05/24/2009, -0/+5Don't get me wrong here, (though feel free to Digg me down if you can't stand to read any further than this) I'm a big supporter for Linux. However, I fail to really feel any value exists in a utility such as Wine (and its offshoot, Cedega). I think the original intentions behind Wine was well meaning and a worthwhile project. Over the years Wine seems to have become something of a scape goat for many windows developers. Rather than further developing and refining existing techniques for cross compiling software, using libraries that co-exist on multiple platforms (eg OpenGL), or encouraging better overall code, developers seem to want to write on Windows (understandable) and let the Wine developers shoulder the brunt of support on Linux.
It makes sense to use Wine for developers to check their webpages under IE, or to leverage an older, unsupported Windows-only app, or even to give Windows users encouragement to switch to Linux without entirely losing their investment. But there is a serious disjoint when Windows developers openly encourage Wine use (VALVE!) for their software rather than making any concerted effort for a proper port. Game console developers are successful in creating cross-platform code. I've successfully modified smaller WELL WRITTEN Windows software for Linux. Where is the failure in thought process that prevents Windows developers from doing proper ports?
I get that many of these programs are complex, sometimes on an epic scale. This is where decent planning at the start comes into play. I don't expect every developer to create hybrid code out of the starting gate. I understand that it's hard to justify *Nix developers when the market share is so small and the economy sucking so bad. But anybody worth their salt should be refraining from using so much Windows specific calls and lean towards more neutral code. Even if there is no plan for porting the code to any platform, quite a few successful software generally get ported anyways. How many games exist on modern consoles and PC's? How many tools got ported to/from Windows/Macs? How much money would the developer save if portable code and libraries is leveraged whenever possible? How much bigger would the Linux software collection be if Windows software houses were a little more considerate?
Wine should be treated as a supplement not to supplant our software suite. - 7aji, on 05/24/2009, -0/+5IE?? that's your big issue??!
- eqisow, on 05/23/2009, -3/+8Disclaimer: I'm writing as past me, because present me doesn't use Wine for anything.
Because I generally like Linux better. The workflow is better, the utilities are better, the security is better, and a lot of the programs are better. Thus, I find it more convenient to use Wine for the few Windows programs I like than to suffer Windows.
And before anybody says anything about Window's security issues being overblown: I agree, a lot of Windows problems are the result of user error. Nothing can stop user error. However, I suggest you look into the linux security model and things like selinux a bit more. When your data matters and/or it's a mission critial system, it has to be Linux. (yes yes, or BSD/Solaris blah blah)) - NuBiXx, on 05/23/2009, -2/+7Does being ignorant come nature for you?
- yellowaeroplane, on 05/23/2009, -0/+5Yeah Crossover is great. I was lucky enough to grab a copy when they (Codeweavers) had their free download day. Having used it now, I'd definitely pay the $40 for it.
It's not groundbreaking stuff, but it makes things a whole lot easier. - overridemymind, on 05/23/2009, -0/+5pause not.
- Norlick, on 05/23/2009, -0/+5This man clearly uses Linux.
- MrTea, on 05/23/2009, -0/+5still no fix for the ms office installer problems?
- greevar, on 05/23/2009, -0/+4twit
- dannomite, on 05/23/2009, -0/+4does crossover office really work? i'm not against paying for software, as long as it works properly.
- Norlick, on 05/23/2009, -0/+4I don't like restarting, can't be ***** partitioning off a drive for Windows.
Laziness, basically. - mishaneah, on 05/23/2009, -1/+4Let's celebrate! Wine anybody?
- theaceoffire, on 05/23/2009, -0/+3It's not legal if you pirate it (Regardless of what you hack it to validate).
- UrbenLegend, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2It still hasn't been fixed yet. Six versions of wine have already been released and they still haven't fixed it. This is just ridiculous.
- Norlick, on 05/23/2009, -0/+2encumbering.
- takatoo, on 05/23/2009, -0/+2does it synchronize with scim now?
- spiki, on 05/29/2009, -0/+1Emulator
[WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator] - Kingoftherings, on 05/23/2009, -1/+2What kind of Linux user would use VS?
- sanskrtam, on 05/23/2009, -0/+1I hope so.
- rpgmakr, on 05/23/2009, -3/+4Man, I love Wine, is like every little windows app that I need from time to time is supported.
- ivan423, on 05/24/2009, -0/+1Twit, *****, who gives a *****.
- joshuajudah, on 05/23/2009, -3/+4I'm glad wine finally made it on the front page!!
- starsky51, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1win is not
- eight190, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1I like Linux and the GNU project, but large software companies need to stop creating platform specific libraries and binaries. I know this is how they tie individuals to different platforms, but I think companies need to come together and create universally supported libraries and standards. Most of these thing are what is keeping everyone from seeing the big picture. The majority of PCs(including macs) are x86 based and can now allow for universally supported libraries and binaries. Do not get me wrong, I do use wine on Linux, but if we had universally supported binaries we would not have the configuration problems that still plague wine.
- lonniebiz, on 05/23/2009, -0/+1How do you get all the Microsoft dlls in one download, and where do you put them all once you have them?
- luchid, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1enema.
- luchid, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1@lonniebiz: google winetricks.
- ruskie, on 05/23/2009, -2/+1try it instead of asking? 1st hand results = $$
- zeebo, on 05/23/2009, -4/+3No need to reboot, and unlike current virtualization it does graphics acceleration.
- violationz, on 05/23/2009, -6/+4WTF there's sounds playing on my Digg... GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
In other news, I wish Adobe would make some of their main apps (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.) work on Linux. I hate Windows, I hate Wine and I don't want to buy a Mac. - Traiklin, on 05/23/2009, -8/+6it does but it's rather slow and missing some key features
- plebeian, on 05/23/2009, -9/+6I'm being perfectly honest I don't know how people use wine to do anything even remotely serious. Do they? Why don't the developers just focus on IE7 and getting one thing working well before moving on to "ARB shaders improvements" and crap like that.
I use an almost entirely vanilla ubuntu and have for years, upgrading on each release and always "upgrading" wine. Wine has always been a piece of *****. I can't even close IE6 without getting zombie processes. So basically it barely enables me to do my timesheet at work on Fridays. Oh boy, that's really worth the tens of thousands of development hours that have put into this.
I don't intend to be an ass to all the people who invest themselves in wine but isn't there a need for a reality check here? It has no future except as an utterly mediocre piece of software that will always be fighting the steep uphill battle. -
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