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Wine 1.0-rc2 Released

winehq.org — What's new in this release: bug fixes only, we are in code freeze. 123 bugs fixed since 1.0-rc1

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  • romulasry, on 05/24/2008, -10/+93Needs more cowbell.
    • minigamer1896, on 05/24/2008, -2/+41You can have never enough cowbell.
      • Sammi84, on 05/24/2008, -1/+31Yes I agree. Put in more cowbell.
        • acetv, on 05/24/2008, -1/+33Can anyone confirm this? Is there enough cowbell in this release or not?
        • MacParrot, on 05/24/2008, -0/+26They are currently in code-freeze. According to a senior spokesman who wishes to remain anonymous, more cowbell WILL be added as soon as the final bug list is compiled. "No one wishes for more cowbell than I do." said the spokesman. "But at some point you've just got to stop and see how far a certain level of cowbell will take you."
        • dankegel, on 05/24/2008, -1/+11http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13396
        • danomagnum, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7^ Some of the greatest digg comments ever
    • skyshock1, on 05/24/2008, -7/+1So the WINE team's stated goal a while ago for the version 1 release was to be able to run all windows software, correct? Does this mean that they've completely reverse engineered all the pertinent windows API's now? That any and all programs available for XP will run error-free?

      That's pretty significant then.
  • bj1989, on 05/24/2008, -4/+35Let me explain something that is often a cause of confusion:
    Ubuntu 8.04 comes with wine 0.9.60, if you want the latest version of wine you should enable the wine repository, very clear instructions can be found at the winehq site. The Hardy repo is currently at rc1.
    It usually takes a few days before the latest version of wine reaches this repository. However, if you are using Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) AND you have the wine repository enabled you will be stuck at 0.9.59 simply because there seem to have been some problems with the latest versions and gutsy.
    The package manager said he would upgrade the Gutsy repo with wine 1.0 when it's released.
    • heartless_, on 05/24/2008, -0/+13For everyday users, if your WINE version is working, there is no need to jump on a release candidate at this time. Also, I've found it inherently better to remove older WINE versions by hand and then installing the new version of WINE. I've never had an issue this way and have never lost any of my configurations, which are stored in your users /home directory if you were unaware.

      Either way, I'm excited to approach WINE 1.0 officially :)
      • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2It improves the experience to keep up to date. Trust me. Especially if you use themes.
    • Weejay, on 05/24/2008, -7/+1Very clear instructions can be found at WineHQ website? Would it be too much to link to the goddamn page so that we don' all have to search for the lines to add in the sources.list?
      • ninjacob, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
      • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1Looking down upon someone who said something that could only help people?
        • justaboutdead, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1i'm thinking it's the way it was said.
      • Weejay, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1I'm not looking down upon anyone, it was very nice of him/her, but all I'm saying is that when you reference a page in a comment, why not link it directly?
        • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1Some people just don't read those pages all the way. Plain and simple. I don't see why it needs to be a big deal - Why didn't you just do this?

          "Original page here: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb"

          That is 'very nice', and even useful. So when you comment on someone not linking to a page, why don't you link to it?
    • mrsteveman1, on 05/24/2008, -6/+1Would it be too much to expect the ubuntu repo managers to just include up to date software so this crap isn't necessary?

      I could perhaps understand lagging by a few versions for test purposes, but not this many. This isn't testing its just lack of updates.

      • ghindo, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6It'll be included in the Ubuntu repos when it's tested and found to be stable.
        • mrsteveman1, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2It's in the repos now....

          Its fairly arbitrary, Wine itself isn't UNstable, it just doesn't work with everything.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1They mean Wine 1.0 :P

          Wine is pretty damn stable. It has some unimplemented functions and some potholes in implementations of things that cause incompatibilities.
        • mrsteveman1, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Yea, my point is, it's in the repos already, as a partially functional release.

          If it isn't actually UNstable, then the real difference is that newer versions just fix things, things people already using the version of wine that is already in the repos, would benefit from.

          Remember, this isn't checking out the source from GIT or something, these are releases from the project they have already tested a bit, the repo maintainers don't need to lag the releases by this much.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2One good thing I can say about Ubuntu with no hesitation is they test the hell out of stuff on there. You don't see too many people who use it often complaining about complex dependency conflict problems they can't figure out.
  • Kingoftherings, on 05/24/2008, -8/+16Can't wait to see the feature explosion that will inevitably come in the release right after 1.0 and end up breaking everything they fixed.
    • atdigg, on 05/24/2008, -8/+2it's only bug-fixing, so no "feature explosion"
    • sirhomer, on 05/24/2008, -0/+18He is talking about after 1.0

      Think about it, Wine is an OSS project (with DSCM code management [the "git" system], meaning development can be highly decentralized). So there is no doubt people are still working on features even though Wine is in bug fix mode only. After 1.0 is released these features may be merged with the main git repository. So there may well be an "explosion of features" after 1.0 is released.

      Nothing wrong with that though. I look forward to it if it's true, but it might hurt this (imo, fake) sense of stability they are aiming for.
    • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Wine work a lot on conformance tests now to ensure that this doesn't happen. There are still problems and regressions, but they are easier to find with the test suite now. And if that doesn't work, there's still GIT bisect.
  • Sammi84, on 05/24/2008, -4/+89Wine is not an emulator.

    It's a compatibility layer that can run Windows apps on unix-like platforms. Windows also uses compatibility layers to run older Win programs on Vista. A compatibility layer is performance wise almost the same as any other native runtime environment.
    • mrsteveman1, on 05/24/2008, -2/+6Wine is a binary compatibility layer though, its different than just having older APIs installed.
      • alexweej, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6Actually, the binary formats support in Linux mean that you can load Windows PE's "natively". The "wine" executable is just a loader.

        After that, it's really just machine code like that encapsulated in any other executable format. There's no difference!
      • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Nope, it's the exact same thing in fact, if you are talking about reverse compatible versions of the API. Wine, the binary file, simply runs the application. Seriously. Check it for yourself, it doesn't do that much. Much more goes into the Wine API, wine-server, and the wine-kthreads system.
    • acetv, on 05/24/2008, -6/+3I wish someone would make an emulator (for anything) and call it WIE: WIE Is an Emulator.
      • archlich, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7Well, dosbox is an emulator, they could have called it Die instead. Die Is an Emulator.
      • DestroyFascism, on 05/24/2008, -6/+1Mc Cain is an Emulator....
        • starkes, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6McCain is a whore. theres no compatibility layer for him.
        • trevorh, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1McCain is a cylon!!!!
    • cloak419, on 05/24/2008, -15/+6It's a ***** emulator you penguin whore.
    • DestroyFascism, on 05/24/2008, -1/+7No Its not Windows Sucker!

      Want proof?
      A simple mouse gesture will invoke...

      System calls in windows = Get-my-location => Kernel -> response
      System calls in Unix = My-location = Kernel -> response

      The API is not emulating, its interpreting.
    • Myonosken, on 05/24/2008, -8/+2But for laymen, emulator is easier to say and understand.
      • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2No, it's easier to confuse. People get quite passionate about these things, when they are wrong. The only reason it comes off as an emulator is because it runs Windows applications under Linux. So anyone remember OS/2s Windows 16 emulator? Me neither, because it didn't have one. It had a compatibility layer.

        Wine Is Not an Emulator. Wine IS a compatibility layer.

        Wine, the application, does no CPU emulation and no API emulation. It runs a binary file. Wine-server implements some things Windows binaries need to have to run, and the Wine API is no more than an implementation of the Win32 API. Really, that's it. (Well, there's a little more put into the X11 implementation of the Windows GUI library, but it's still just implementation and no more.) You can call it an emulator in the sense that it "spoofs" Windows, but not in the sense that you run N64 games on [Your favorite N64 emulator here].

        When talking to other geeks I'll gladly call it an emulator because they know what I mean.
    • justaboutdead, on 05/25/2008, -1/+2Wine is not *emulation*
      • Amiga500, on 05/29/2008, -0/+1Wine is not *CPU emulation*.

        Fixed that for you.
  • ghindo, on 05/24/2008, -6/+96A Wine release, you say?

    Dugg. Unquestionably. Let's get this bad boy to the front page.
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5If nothing else, just to piss people off.

      And because we're closer to 1.0! [Victory Dance]
      That goes out to all of the people who thought it would never get there.
      • Sammi84, on 05/25/2008, -0/+3Yes so many Linux haters out there. Love stepping on their feet. There's no denying it, Linux is slowly but surely becomming better at being Windows than MS Windows itself is able to.
  • Appleboi4evr, on 05/24/2008, -1/+25hopefully Maarten Lankhorst's patches are added and work so we can sync iphones and ipod touches without all the hassle (as well as all the other ipods).
    http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2008-Ma ...

    next: zune please!
    • frogstomp19, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6as a newly converted ubuntu user, it would be extremely nice to get rid of my windows partition completely... but I still have to boot windows to update my zune. I don't regret buying it -- it's a great player and I like it better then the ipod I had previously -- but it would be much better if it was compatible with linux.
      • Rowan187, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2i agree with frogstomp19, the Zune is the greatest media player i've used, but i still have my windows partition just to update it and stuff, it sucks, etc. But I don't think enough of the linux community has a Zune for it to be worked on and heavily integrated into linux/wine.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2It takes one programmer with a Zune and motivation to do it.

          For now, Seamless VirtualBox is seeming pretty cool (You may want to customize your Win32 taskbar a bit though.)
        • Rowan187, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2I've read up a lot about VirtualBox. I'll give it a try right now.
  • willwill100, on 05/24/2008, -2/+8super duper
  • ToadLeg, on 05/24/2008, -2/+22And a new Wine Bug-fix Comedy Show begins:

    6050 Interstate'76 install should play sound but plays loud noise instead
    12268 Steam update fail at 26%
    12306 Firefox 3 beta shows one-pixel-high black line when rendering some images
    12884 MessageBox " is not a valid integer value in Visual Trading
    13166 system tray icons show up twice
    • nblsavage, on 05/24/2008, -0/+44Why the heck is someone trying to run Firefox under Wine?
      • disappointment, on 05/24/2008, -0/+21Adobe Shockwave, perhaps?
      • PhailQuail, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6Flash doesn't crash as much under WINE either.
      • aladrin, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1I know I did it for a while when I didn't want to install the ff alpha, but wanted to use the 'portable firefox' that Windows users get. Ran better than the linux version at the time.
      • int19h, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1If you're developing for web, it could be nice to double check that the Windows version of Firefox renders pages fine too. Should be pretty similar, though.
    • arjie, on 05/24/2008, -0/+32I was just scrolling and saw "13166 system tray icons show up twice" and I was like, "Oh *****! That's a lot." Then I noticed what the numbers were. Now I feel stupid.
    • Ademan, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2Funny, I haven't had 'the 26% bug' since like 0.9.3x, in fact i just installed steam again (uninstalled for finals lol) using wine-1.0-rc1 and didn't have a problem with it... although it does look like some people had the issue up through 0.9.58
      • millerftw, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Have they fixed steam friends yet?
        • Ademan, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Nope, don't think so. That may be a post-1.0 thing (probably is, but the list of 1.0 bug requirements is up somewhere....)
    • Cryoniq, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1And I repeat the question: Why the frack are you using Wine to run Firefox3 for?!?
      And my steam update never failed under Wine.
      Maybe you should stop messing around with your system and then come whining here when things doesn't work?
  • laofmoonster, on 05/24/2008, -8/+60One step closer to being able to get rid of Windows.
    • minigamer1896, on 05/24/2008, -2/+13Lets just hope that we don't get as far as OS/2 did!
    • orlfman, on 05/24/2008, -21/+6No, not really. Nothing is going to replace Windows until Windows becomes open, and that will never happen. Wine, and any other OS compatibility tool will never run, nor get close to running most Windows apps. If you want to run Windows apps, get Windows.
    • duckyinc, on 05/24/2008, -12/+4You are using windows apps!! How can you get rid of windows that way? It's like surrendering by saying linux apps suck so I have to work with half working windows apps/games.
      • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4Windows is an operating system, not the applications that run on it.

        Most people now only have one or two applications that they require Windows for (as good alternatives exist for most, but not all software that runs on Windows). By being able to run those one or two applications with Wine, they can get rid of Windows until the programs they're running in Wine are released for Linux.
      • neko, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Some -apps- which (sadly) run only on the win32 platform are good. Games for instance.

        That doesn't mean I want to boot into the Microsoft Windows OS to run them. I happen to like my current window manager, file browser, shell, terminal program, file system, kernel, panel, etc much better than those in MS/Win XP.
  • wontstoptalking, on 05/24/2008, -1/+29We're getting close!
    • alexweej, on 05/24/2008, -0/+61993 called, they want their WINE motivational comments back! :P
  • highlymodified, on 05/24/2008, -7/+64As a recent Ubuntu convert, now armed with latest Wine, I honestly can't see why more people don't run screaming away from Windows.

    I have no shame about digging everything Linux related: the only thing holding back the revolution is not enough press.
    • rpapi100, on 05/24/2008, -2/+30Games. Not open arena or gnomix or any tux games, real ''graphic card intense'', HD, 6gig installation, Dolby, AA, juicy games. You know, the one you want your PC to play when you buy your machine.

      That's the last frontier, because, lets face it, when people start hearing that tux plays games as well (or even better) than Windows, then, my friend it will be over. Gamers are the only group that (compared to grandmas, artists, power users, professionals, casual users), in order to fufill their name, will do anything for the sake of performance, even buy a frigging 4000$ machine, or a 200$ keyboard. There the ones pushing the industry forward, hardware-wise at least.

      So until then, this gamer will stick with Satansoft and go on installing ubuntu and Mint on my newbish friends and family's PCs.



      P.S. Oh yeah and, no more ''consol-ing'' when ***** hits the fan would be jolly. When Power users will be able to migrate to tux while not having to learn to code and *****, I'll hand over the cake to tux.
      • tomwhughes, on 05/24/2008, -11/+2Yeah, I agree with this guy.

        When real, modern games come to linux, and the terminal becomes like the terminal is OSX or MS-DOS Prompt in Windows (something that you never have to use or look at), then I will make the move.

        But until then: apple for work, microsoft for gaming.
        • aphexbr, on 05/24/2008, -2/+7"the terminal becomes like the terminal is OSX or MS-DOS Prompt in Windows (something that you never have to use or look at)"

          That's strange because I've had to use use the Windows command prompt 3 times this morning already (network admin) while it's been about a month since I *had* to use the Linux prompt at home...

          Either way, come on guys. You will *always* need to use the command line for hardcore troubleshooting. You will *always* need to troubleshoot in Linux while games are made for Windows with no native Linux client. Modern games are already on Linux and work well for the most part, there's just not a native client as yet. Using this as an excuse never to switch ensures there never will be, period.
        • mvent2, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2I haven't had to use the terminal in Linux for many, many years. Have you ever used Linux recently?
      • hpfilter, on 05/24/2008, -0/+12I was replaying GTA San Andreas (when will PC GTA IV come out ??) just for the kick of it. The other day, i booted into my Ubuntu installation, and just went to the directory where San Andreas was installed, and typed :

        $wine gta_sa.exe

        The next moment, San Andreas was up and running, even creating a User Files dir in my home dir. There was no difference in performance.

        It may not be a graphic intensive game, but it kinda proves most of the games will work, simply with wine, without the need of stuff like Crossover.
      • dawnraid101, on 05/24/2008, -11/+4Because windows generally just "Just Works" (I know I stole that from OS X) I cant be ***** adopting to a new OS when the one I have at the moment is perfectly adequete and it does everything I need it to do. I dont want to spend time playing around with drivers and installing packages, trying to get ***** to work.
        • arjie, on 05/24/2008, -0/+9You don't have to go around installing drivers and installing packages just to get stuff to work. Atleast I have never needed to, if I want a program it gets installed with minimum fuss also installing everything else it needs, and drivers are simply automatic.

          But then, you're right, if you're happy, stick with what works. Don't fix what isn't broken, you know. But you don't know what you're missing.
        • mvent2, on 05/24/2008, -0/+13"I dont want to spend time playing around with drivers and installing packages, trying to get ***** to work."

          Funny you should mention that, that is pretty much my experience installing Windows on any computer.
        • p3ngwin, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6"I don't want to spend time playing around with drivers and installing packages, trying to get ***** to work"...

          exactly why people have stayed away from Vista in the millions........

          when un-learning one way, to learn a better way, there will always be pain. but this pain is short term and gains more reward in time as you reap the fruits of your labor.

          switching to a better way will always be painful because we are creatures of HABIT. we get ingrained into a way of doing something so that the more we do it, the harder it is to adapt to a better way if it arrives.
          if we never form these habit, instead doing things in realtime proportional to their needs each time, then we will always feel no pain switching to a better way, as we will ave not ingrained ourselves.
        • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Running around installing drivers to get things to work basically sums up the Windows experiences I've had. The damn thing didn't recognise the network card, so I couldn't download the graphics card or sound card drivers. So, I had to boot my Ubuntu partition (where everything worked automatically straight after install) to download it!
      • mossblaser, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3I don't think you could be called a power user without knowing the console in windows, let alone linux so I think your last point is somewhat irrelevant. Also the necessity of the command line is a myth. If you get stuck and instructions are for the command line, thats not because it's the only way to do it, its because you are less likely to screw it up.

        With regards to the gamer culture, I think gamers would be pretty psyched if you told 'em they could have 80% less operating system using resources on their system and a more efficient graphics library as default (open GL)
        • dawnraid101, on 05/25/2008, -1/+1Yeh and 80% less games would make them Cry. Btw open gl is part of XP.
        • mossblaser, on 05/28/2008, -0/+1@dawnraid101

          No, open gl is not part of XP - a piss poor software rendered excuse for open gl is part of xp and a piss poor d3d wrapper for open gl is part of vista

          Also a power user would choose an OS for its power. Gamers who "know computers" usually know jack ***** and aren't power users unless having water cooling and case lighting makes you a power user.
      • Purin, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1I agree.
        It makes me cry every time I try to play Oblivion under Linux with my 7900GTX; I get maybe 25FPS on average, even less when I'm actually doing something.
    • mrsteveman1, on 05/24/2008, -12/+3"I honestly can't see why more people don't run screaming away from Windows."

      Because Ubuntu breaks easier than Windows does, and when it falls apart it does so in dramatic fashion, requiring a reinstall.
      • piesforyou, on 05/24/2008, -5/+8I did like ubuntu, but here's an example of the lengths it still needs to go to, to compete with windows.

        So i install hardy, install the nividia graphics driver thing, go to "screen resolution", and I have max 800x600. Great. Spend the next hour digging up answers involving editing that crazy x conf file or whatever it is. Then someone says no, don't use "screen resolution". Right click on menu, edit menu, go to other, tick some other crazy graphics config tool. So I go into that and it's as easy as pie to change the resolution. So why isn't that tool enabled by default!? It's insane.

        If it wants to compete with windows it needs to be useable straight away to new users. And I'm not talking about copying the functions of windows, but just making it easy to find the tools to do the job. How about the fact that whenever I install ubuntu, my sound doesn't work because the "digital output" box is ticked. Who uses digital output?

        Anyway, I came back to windows because it has so much more software available for it, including games. Corel draw, picasa, office 2007 (OO is good but I can't use it for compatibility reasons). Ubuntu is really nice, a joy to use once you get it set up, but coming back to windows was such a relief!
        • noerrorsfound, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6You wasted a lot of time. Type nvidia-settings in the terminal and it will open a program with a nice GUI that should be easy for you to find your way around. Change the resolution from there. If you want to make it stick across reboots, start with sudo (sudo nvidia-settings) and then click "Save to X configuration file."

          If I recall correctly, if you used Ubuntu's restricted driver manager, you'll have to install the GUI tool first:
          sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings

          If you get the drivers from NVIDIA and install them, it comes with it. That's a bit harder though because you have to end xserver to install.
        • eldridgea, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Not disagreeing with the rest of your comment, but picasa is available for Linux and works wonderfully. Just so you know.

          http://picasa.google.com/linux/
        • int19h, on 05/25/2008, -0/+2If Nvidia have bad Linux drivers for the hardware you bought, that's Nvidia's fault, not Linux's. Linux supports an astounding number of hardware out of the box. If you buy a Mac and adds a piece of hardware, you won't complain if the OS doesn't support the hardware out of the box. This is the responsibility of the producer of the hardware.

          Picasa works for Linux too. There are good substitutes for Corel Draw (Inkscape, OpenOffice Draw, Karbon or Xara LX). Which compatibility reasons did you have for not using OO?

          When you say "so much more software, including games", do you have any examples that does not have an equivalent Linux-application (and does not run with Wine)?
    • newwatch51, on 05/24/2008, -3/+2It's also the app selection. I could not find a single Movie Maker clone that worked in Ubuntu.
      • 4DFX, on 05/24/2008, -0/+8Avidemux is what you want.
        • newwatch51, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah I see that now. I guess I didn't experiment with it enough to the first time to realize that. It's nearly perfect for what I need.
    • ShinyFriction, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3What held me back for so many years were games, Photoshop, Illustrator, and 3ds Max. With XP's life cycle coming to an end and an unwillingness to migrate to Vista I finally forced myself to make the switch.

      It was actually pretty simple. I made the PS3 and Nintendo DS my gaming platforms of choice. I installed Photoshop CS2 in WINE, which works perfectly fine with my Wacom. The toughest part was switching from Illustrator to Inkscape, and from 3ds Max to Maya and Blender, but I am actually finding these alternative applications to be superior replacements!

      I am now working on my first professional commission using only Linux and am completely satisfied with my gaming selection. Once I am done with this project it should not be too hard to get a few friends to switch as well, especially the ones with major complaints about Vista.
  • morphir, on 05/24/2008, -2/+16I'm just glad to see WINE finally is just receiving bug fixes. Let's see how stable we can get this bad boy.
  • scy1192, on 05/24/2008, -15/+7if it only has bug fixes, why do we need to digg it, again?
    • synergye, on 05/24/2008, -1/+7because the bugs were very common and widespread
      • Amiga500, on 05/29/2008, -1/+1Not as widespread as your mothers legs.
  • blurrie, on 05/24/2008, -3/+47wow. wine 1.0. epic. that ***** was in .xx for ever!
    • an10ae, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7For seriously.
      I've been waiting on this since '97 running Word and Excel in Suse 6.0
    • piesforyou, on 05/24/2008, -1/+9is it 1.0 just because they ran out of tenths?
      • Twee, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3No, it's 1.0 because they want it to be for their 10th anniversary, even though its still far from perfect.
        • trevorh, on 05/25/2008, -0/+3It is actually WINE's 15th anniversary.
  • disappointment, on 05/24/2008, -33/+8Wine 1.0 huh?
    That's gotta be so expensive!
    2007-year-old wine.. I just hope it doesn't come in one of those gem-studded bottles.
  • dawnraid101, on 05/24/2008, -31/+13Actually who the ***** cares (yes Linux fanboys do) but seriously every day is another .01 increase or RC build, get the ***** over it. BTW I thought linux was so great but yet your still using windows programs O_o ?
    • LavosPhoenix, on 05/24/2008, -0/+11Games. For example, Audiosurf works again, and combined with improvements in DirectX, now works better then it did before support for it was broken.
    • arjie, on 05/24/2008, -0/+11Every week, dawnraid. And yes, that's the point. Linux is great, and some Windows programs are good. Linux users like that ability to be able to use any program they want without having to be tied down to an OS. If that's not for you, it's not for you.
      • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5It's actually every two weeks. And they deserve every bit of attention they're getting.
  • spankaccount, on 05/24/2008, -25/+6It's a release candidate. This is not news. No digg.
  • tama00, on 05/24/2008, -19/+2lol ive read this wine 1.0 release three times on digg.

    every time i read it, it gets less and less exciting.
  • Adv1s, on 05/24/2008, -1/+20I'm getting an itch to switch...
    • clickwir, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4You should really go get VirtualBox and put Kubuntu on it and see if you can do everything you want. It doesn't cost you anything to try it. It's really not as difficult as most people think.
    • Adv1s, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1What I'm looking to do at the moment, as I mostly use my PC for games then Internet surfing & music, is to either dual boot a Linux distro & Vista or purchase a laptop for some old-skool gaming, mobile Internet & music. At the moment the latter entices me most given summer is coming up and I hate been sat at a desk indoors when I could be sat outside with a beer or two :-).

      I've poked around a few Linux distros such as SUSE, Fedora, PCLinuxOS, Knoppix & Ubuntu. As you say they're not difficult if you have the patience to take the time to get over the learning curve. Even steeping up to Vista from XP had a week or so period of getting used to subtle changes here and there.
  • coldmilk, on 05/24/2008, -18/+3Stop digging every wine release ! And this is just RC for god sake
    • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Just an RC? That's kind of a bigger deal than the 0.9.xx releases were...
    • neko, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3No.

      I might as well ask you to stop posting on subjects you obviously have no interest in. We both know that's not gonna happen.
  • Theli, on 05/24/2008, -1/+10Poser 7 seems to be working now. I didn't even start up in 0.9.60.
    • Theli, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6Correction: IT didn't even start up...
    • MacParrot, on 05/24/2008, -2/+6I think 0.9.60 is actually 10 am in the morning and you darn well BETTER be out of bed young man!
  • abyrne10, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Now, if only I could get MathCAD 14 working on it...
    • Cryoniq, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1What? You haven't got that working yet? Been working for me like a charm :P
  • Dustmuffins, on 05/24/2008, -1/+13how I long for the day when I can run all my games free of windows...
  • diggafrica, on 05/24/2008, -16/+1or just get Windows XP....
    • RetepNamenots, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5Help develop free software to allow people freedom to choose what they want, or, pay money to a corporation which will never change and effectively sell your freedom?
    • srg13, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Two Windows applications is not worth the pain of running Windows... It feels incredibly clunky (even if it looks alright now) compared to my desktop...
  • charlietuna, on 05/24/2008, -1/+8Wine's file site on budgetdedicated is a dog. No mirrors? I created a .torrent on sumotorrent.
    Title: wine_1.0~rc2~winehq0~ubuntu~8.04-1_i386.deb
    • DestroyFascism, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3OMG a torrent link, quick raid his computer, take his house, hold the fort.....

      Cheers though.
  • logotype702, on 05/24/2008, -9/+0Line = Linux Emulator for Windows.
  • muzy, on 05/24/2008, -9/+1wine ? can i run crysis ? linux= for developing only , windows= for games and developing
    • eqisow, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3This obviously a flamebait post, but I'll bite.

      Linux is "for" whatever you want it to be for - that's the point of OSS. There's nothing about Linux's architecture that makes it inherently bad for games. In fact, due to better memory handling and overall lower system requirements *some* games run faster than in Windows even when under Wine's compatibility layer. More and more games are coming to Linux, either natively or by being built with cross platform compatibility in mind.

      The only thing tying games to Windows is Microsoft's Direct3D poison, which I like to think we are slowly breaking free of.
      • Slaco, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0Longs Peak is still quite aways off. As for DirectX being a poison, I actually consider it to be one of Microsoft's better creations. Certainly one of the more successful (people moan about Windows, and speak of the uselessness of Office, but you're the first person I've seen that doesn't like DirectX)
    • ruskie, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2You can run crysis in wine.
      windows = for kids, linux = for adults
    • srg13, on 05/25/2008, -0/+2So by your logic, Windows is just a toy?
  • thushan, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5Cheers!
  • qbthemc, on 05/24/2008, -17/+2I am getting tired of these Linux fan boys digging stupid releases like Wine every second. It is just a release candidate. If you want to run windows applications get Windows. Linux people stop using our applications on your operating system seriously. One second you Linux people criticize how windows is “so horrible” then run the same applications that we run. Make no sense. Use your logic for once in your life.
    • eqisow, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Sigh.. why do I keep responding to flamebait? Oh well... here goes:

      Windows applications =/= Windows. Some Windows applications great... some are a steaming pile of poo. None of them, however, are great (or not) *because* they run on Windows.

      Windows is bloated and, imo, technically inferior. Some Windows applications, however, are very good. Simple enough?

      (Also, some people need to run legacy Windows software because of bad decisions they made in the past)
      • nephilimx, on 05/24/2008, -4/+1"Windows is bloated and, imo, technically inferior."

        We live in a age were most of our PC tech is very overkill for the software we run on it, arguement that its bloated when XP might idle on 2% CPU usage on a 150 dollar CPU is silly
        • eqisow, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3You're right. Hardware is vastly overpowered for what most users need to do with it. Yet those users are using Vista (and it's nearly 900MB idle RAM usage) on machines with dual and quad core processors and 2-4GB of RAM for internet, email, and word processing when something along with lines of Ubuntu (or whatever), an old Athlon XP, and no more than 512MB-1GB of RAM would be more than sufficient.

          For those that do use power resource intensive applications (games, video encoding, etc) low system overhead can actually make a noticeable difference.

          So, you see, no matter which side of the spectrum you're on, less resource intensive systems are a better option. Unfortunately many developers today have exactly your attitude. Hence, Vista. (I'm also looking at you, Firefox 2.0 and, to a much lesser extent, 3.0rc1)
        • srg13, on 05/25/2008, -0/+2Clearly you're not a programmer (or are a bad one). Taking the easy but inefficient way out to do something when it could be optimised is exactly what leads to bloat, and if your application gets large and complex enough, no amount of computing power will help...
        • Slaco, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0@ eqisow:

          Ok, you should really get your facts straight. Vista does NOT idle at 900mb. Not even close.
          The task manager may be reporting perhaps only 100mb of free ram on a 1gb system, but this is because of SuperFetch (this caches your most used programs into your RAM, even before you launch them). However, if run a more demanding application (games, etc.), Vista will immediately clear out the required RAM.

          Vista isn't great, but RAM usage is NOT one of it's pitfalls. In fact, SEVERAL enthusiast tech sites have reported FPS numbers that are virtually identical to XP in modern games (with Vista's service pack 1).
    • charlietuna, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2You are tired? Then take a rest and chill out. There are a lot of people who are interested in things that you find pointless. The ability to cope with that is a large part of what is referred to as maturity.

      You should try it sometime.
      • qbthemc, on 05/24/2008, -3/+0You have not contributed anything to what I said. Tell me one thing you have said which is relevant to what I said dealing with Wine. Seriously go away. I guess you have not noticed there are people who do not like Wine. Digg.com is a site where people state their opinions on different issues.
        • charlietuna, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1State your opinion like an adult. Say: "I do not like the Wine project". Then shut up.
    • p0tent1al, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3"Use logic for once in your life"

      Logic says I can use the free operating system to run all of my favorite applications, without having to use the catastrophe that is Windows.
      Logic says applications are not "yours" or "mine", they are developed for a certain platform(s) and I'm pretty sure most developers don't give a ***** which platform you use it on as long as they are getting paid at the end of the day.

      "One second you Linux people criticize how windows is "so horrible" then run the same applications that we run"

      I'm PRETTY sure I don't use the same applications that you run, AKA Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. Any other "Windows programs" you could use clearly have too high of a learning curve for your brain to process.

      • qbthemc, on 05/24/2008, -2/+0Logic says I can use the free operating system to run all of my favorite applications, without having to use the catastrophe that is Windows.
        Logic says applications are not "yours" or "mine", they are developed for a certain platform(s) and I'm pretty sure most developers don't give a ***** which platform you use it on as long as they are getting paid at the end of the day.

        The reason that you say it is a "catastrophe" is since you do not have high spec hardware on your computer to handle Windows Vista. A lot of people I know love Windows Vista. Dealing with the whole developer spectrum, you are right saying, “Developers don't give a ***** which platform you use it on as long as they are getting paid at the end of the day”. I would never develop on a platform like Linux since one it won’t get me any revenue and two if the consumer where to even run Linux they would hate it since it is too complicated for them to handle. Funny thing is that Ubuntu has been developed for how many years yet it still it has not shown real progress to grab consumers attention.

        I'm PRETTY sure I don't use the same applications that you run, AKA Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. Any other "Windows programs" you could use clearly have too high of a learning curve for your brain to process.

        The Applications that I run on my computer are Visual Basic, Sonar Cakewalk Producer 7, Photoshop, Zune software and Trillian. I know people are waiting for me to say that I play video games on my OS since I do not.
        • srg13, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1"The reason that you say it is a "catastrophe" is since you do not have high spec hardware on your computer to handle Windows Vista"

          Heh - yeah right. It's me that can't handle Windows Vista... After using Linux for so long, going back to Windows is like what you would experience trying to do everything you want to on Dos.

          Well, maybe not that extreme, but it does feel clunky and outdated compared to my desktop, and I have few very fast machines.
      • sparrowkc, on 05/25/2008, -0/+11. Partly broken English
        2. You counter “Developers don't give a ***** which platform you use it on as long as they are getting paid at the end of the day” by saying you wouldn't develop for linux because you wouldn't get paid, implying that you would develop for linux if you were paid, completely confirming the original statement. Also the article is about wine, which is a means of running windows applications on linux without modification.
        3. "Ubuntu has been developed for how many years yet it still it has not shown real progress" is a completely blind statement which you do not support with any evidence. I'm not even going to bother detailing how Ubuntu and the linux kernel are advancing much faster than any other operating system unless you reply to this.
    • sparrowkc, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Lol, you called Windows "your operating system". One of the main complaints about Windows is that even when you buy it, you don't own it.
  • FKnight, on 05/24/2008, -13/+2Linux Sucks :D
    • sparrowkc, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5Does the :D mean kidding?
      If so, why even say it?
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/25/2008, -0/+3FKnight is known to be a jackass. Just let him continue to dig his own grave of stupidity and he'll lie himself to death.

      I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of people who think they have any idea what they're talking about come in here and try to make sense about Linux sucking. This is a step ahead, because Windows users can identify him as "retarded", as long as they aren't biased to hell because of their stupid beliefs about how Linux is losing people so many jobs. You know, those selfish, annoying bastards who would suck the dick of a guy just because he said something bad about Linux/OSS or good about Windows, and then is a hypocrite about Mac OS X, by getting pissed off at their fanboys? It's saddening that people are so flawed. It's like listening to racists ramble on, It really is. Speaking of which, I'm going to end this rant now so that those ***** don't go all "tl;dr" on me because of their oh-so important life.
      • FKnight, on 05/26/2008, -2/+1I can assure you that my only intention was to say "Linux Sucks"

  • m4csrgh3yk3v, on 05/24/2008, -10/+1If people think this is going to be a replacement for windows, just remember you have to edit a goddamn text file for anything apart from winmine.exe to remotely work. That has always been, and as far as I can tell, will always be, the Linux strength and weakness.

    If you think you can now throw windows away and still run your usual windows apps, you are a fool. Wait til 2.0 (i.e: never)
    • d4ni, on 05/24/2008, -1/+3Your first paragraph is simply wrong, I am not even going to explain why.

      About your second point; why would you want to run the exact same Windows apps on Linux? There are so many - easiliy comparable - free programs available that there really is no need to. Firefox is natively available, so is Thunderbird. Rhythmbox beats WMP in any way, and can equal Winamp with the aid of plugins.

      I would not go as far as saying OpenOffice currently beats MS's Office suite but I have good hopes for 3.0.

      Point is, if you would ever try any Linux distro, please look around for freely available software that offers about the same - or more - functionality than whatever Windows program you were used too and see if it fits your needs. If you really think the software is holding you back, then try Wine, or simply move back to Windows. I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm using dual boot myself as well for games and some other software (Illustrator, but that's basically cause I already started a project with it, I'm eager to try Inkscape it looks good).
    • Kingoftherings, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2So editing a text file is harder than editing the Windows Registry?
      At least the text file uses halfway comprehensible English.
      • m4csrgh3yk3v, on 05/25/2008, -2/+1The point is, most of the time you don't need a registry hack to acheive your goals. In linux, you have to do it just to mount a ***** drive at bootup.

        The pitfalls you can encounter in an app like GRUB which has zero graphical menu to configure is just plain stupid.
    • srg13, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1I can say with 100% certainty that to get Photoshop CS2 to work, all I had to do was to double click on the installer.

      That's how pretty much how anything is installed in Wine. At most you might have to change a registry entry, or install something with Winetricks. I've never edited a text file to do anything with Wine though. The suggestion that you have to do this at all indicates to me that you haven't used it.

      As for Linux in general, the only things I edit in a text file (mainly my hosts file) are done just for convenience - you can do that for instance in Network Properties somewhere...
  • msmayhew, on 05/24/2008, -0/+10Photoshop CS2 is one thing but can Wine run cygwin??

    /extreme sarcasm
  • marine63, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4plz fix starcraft battle.net ;,(
  • clickwir, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1UnrealTournament 99 worked until they started really hammering at the Direct3D stuff, now I can't get UT99 to "forget" about the D3D and just run in software render mode. Which runs plenty fast enough on todays computers.

    That and now there's no window decorations. I can't make it full screen without it messing up my resolution.
    • SeTAr, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Did you know there is a native linux version of UT99?
      + you can always try OpenGL rendering...
      • Kingoftherings, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I was about to say that too. All the UT games, except for UT3, work natively in Linux.
  • aserer511, on 05/24/2008, -1/+9I am probably going to be a wine user soon enough, as I am likely going to be a linux user soon enough
    • bustabinary, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3Why wait?
      • aserer511, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1dad won't get me eee PC now, wants to hunt around for better deal and wait 'till summers end. also I will likely throw Kubuntu on my next box which I don't need for a while; my current one is fine and I have no need to throw kubuntu on taht now
        • Cryoniq, on 05/24/2008, -4/+1Try PCLinuxOS before you run off to Ubuntu. And then you will probably change your mind when you go Ubuntu later.. you will know what I mean then :)
  • gigo6000, on 05/24/2008, -1/+8dugg because of wine I could switch to linux
  • MrViklund, on 05/24/2008, -10/+1Whine?
  • nmnnotmyname, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3I ought to try this. I'm still in a pre-rc1 version.
  • Twee, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2So when is there going to be a decent version of Wine for Mac OS X? I can't get DarWine to work because my command line doesn't recognize MacPorts.
    • repeater75, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2There is - its called Crossover Mac. Pony up some cash - the Codeweavers guys work hard to make Wine usable for Mac people.
    • Kingoftherings, on 05/25/2008, -0/+2Boot Camp, Parallels, VMWare Fusion

      /Macfag
    • nmnnotmyname, on 05/25/2008, -0/+2Actually, I thought you already could get Wine on OS X natively now, but you can always get the source to Codeweavers Crossover if you don't want to buy it (The source of their wine modifications are of course available.)
  • Twee, on 05/25/2008, -5/+1WTF, how come my comments are never saved? I posted a comment asking,
    "When is there going to be a decent version of Wine for Mac OS X? DarWine doesn't work and is never updated."
    and it doesn't show up when I reloaded the page like 20 minutes later...
  • qbthemc, on 05/25/2008, -3/+0You make no sense. Think before you type charlietuna. I posted why I hate Wine already. Wow. Are you that blind?
  • romulasry, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/linux_unix/Wine_1_0_RC3_Released
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