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- babbling, on 10/10/2007, -2/+57The answer is yes, we do. Deal with it.
- pcarm92, on 10/10/2007, -1/+43"should make iTunes work"
This should be perfect for those who use Linux and want one of the new iPods.. - Sliver85, on 10/10/2007, -1/+35I hope that was a joke
- exomni, on 10/10/2007, -1/+34WINE. Kicks. Ass.
There is no such thing as too many DIGG articles about WINE. - alexdemers, on 10/10/2007, -2/+33Damn, it frustrates me when people are saying thing like "WTF is diz *****" and "dozant wurk in windowz lulz". Remove the Linux/Unix category from your profile. Thanks.
- Garfunkel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30***** off and don't bloody read the article if you don't like seeing wine hit digg. Most of you love it when a new story about "the original apple lisa manual!!!!!" hits digg, that's hardly news so STFU. Wine deservs just as much attention as the new itunes version or what jobs did last friday night.
- icewolf316, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24With virual box you need a copy of windows. With wine you don't. So yes, there will be demand.
- Kbiscu1t, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Yes.
- jorgepblank, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24I'm not sure if you're joking, but Wine Is Not an Emulator (WINE).
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Yes, again and I hope more to come. Wine is truly innovative and amazing. I'm able to play Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 under Linux. I love Linux, the only thing I use windows for is games. Linux does everything else for me. I hope one day daemon-tools will work on Linux :).
- koreth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Apparently there's enough demand to get this article on the Digg front page.
- deadbaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15There is a large demand for WINE.
1) Gaming on VMs is not a real solution (yet)
2) WINE also exists as a way for Windows developers to quickly port apps to Linux. (Google has successfully used this method for example) As more people switch to Linux there will be more of a demand for a quick way of supporting both platforms
3) VMs are still relatively complex to setup -- WINE can be automated to the point of popping in an application and installing it. (WineDoors, Crossover, etc)
4) WINE is 100% free.
5) Microsoft may not continue to happily allow users to run Windows in a VM. It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft decides running Windows in a VM violates the EULA. (they flirted with this in Vista, for example) - sparf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14So long as Minesweeper keeps working, I really don't care.
- deadbaby, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16I think on Windows you run format c: to install WINE.
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Wine is not an emulator!
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12virtualbox is cool yes i know. but with virtual box you still need to own a copy of windows to run windows programs. plus wine can do 3D apps and i don't think visualization programs can do that yet. only the really expensive version of windows vista can legally be installed in a virtual computer. wine has the potential to run windows programs at native speed. visualization will always be slower(as far as i know?). wine seems like a better type of solution since it has less over head of running a second OS just to run some program. wine is %100 free/open source virtual box is free/open source but for it to work good it requires a non-"free/open" extra..........for now i mostly use vmware or virtualbox.... but i do love to see wine starting to work better :)
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Just to be an annoying nitpicker, WINE works fine in Windows using Cygwin.
- srg13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10You actually can run it on Windows (probably for compatibility testing apps) but it might require Cygwin (iirc)
- fgsfds, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Indeed there is! Wine is FAR faster at running windows programs, as it doesn't have to run Windows in order to do it.
Further, virtualization tends to fall apart when it comes to 3D acceleration, as you're having the engine render to an API which is rendering to a driver which is rendering to fake hardware which is rendering to an API which is rendering to a driver which is rendering to real hardware. Not only is it slow and complicated, but it also tends to result in missing video features, such as shaders.
Wine, however, is an implementation of the Windows API for *nix systems. All a program needs to do with wine is render to an API, which renders to a driver, which renders to real hardware. Since this isn't any more complicated than how it works in Windows, there is not so much of a performance hit. In reality, programs running in Wine can actually be *faster* than in windows depending on the needs of the program, especially if the flavor of Linux involved has been set-up with that in mind.
On that note, somebody should see about a game-performance optimized version of Ubuntu. It could be a useful tool for gaining converts. - AnarkeIncarnate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11you probably don't need daemon tools. You can use mount to mount ISO images of disks
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10no it reimplements the api..... slightly different.... calling it am emulator is like calling linux a unix emulator since linux reimplements much of the funcionality of unix... there similar but i think there different, no?
- srg13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Mono is working on the .Net framework, not Wine. Have a look at that - it can run some 2.0 framework apps OK
- secleinteer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Except for those of us who don't want to run that bloated piece of ***** every time we want to transfer a few songs to our iPods. This goes for both Windows and Linux users, btw. When my iPod dies, I'll probably get an iAudio or Creative - both of which are a lot better than Apple and their stupid attempts to lock us in to their software ecosystem.
- dragonopolis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10for all those complaining. Wine works with games better than any virtual machine right now. Although that may change in the future Wine still has the edge with graphic applications that use your video card. Of course perhaps Wine group will full work out the kinks and you won't need a virtualization which is less efficient. (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator for those ignorant fools who insist on calling it an emulator. Go read the winehq.com site to get a better definition of what Wine is here is a copy of the first part of their intro explaination:
Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X, OpenGL, and Unix.
Think of Wine as a compatibility layer for running Windows programs. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely free alternative implementation of the Windows API consisting of 100% non-Microsoft code, however Wine can optionally use native Windows DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit for porting Windows source code to Unix as well as a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows programs to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris.
*******&^^^
If that explaination is to technical for you try reading Debunking Wine myths which seem to be written for less educated people (like those who keep calling it an emulator) here is the link:
http://www.winehq.org/site/myths
Why run windows programs under crappy MS OS when they run (or will eventually run) natively in Linux, BSD, Solaris under Wine?
Its still not perfect but it pretty cool once you get it going! - Disfnord, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8delete your system32 folder, that should work.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Following this link http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine you can play world of warcraft on linux with the same nice textures you have on windows, just remember you need a Nvidia card and to override software anti alias. use the one from nvidia-settings.
cheers
(no need to begin with the wow jokes, hope it helps) - darkNiGHTS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I use this all the time, virtualization sucks compared to this. You don't use linux do you? You can run a lot of windows programs just like they were linux programs, it's hard to tell the difference.
- lazyrussian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Recursive Acronyms.
- rageguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Using Acer C111 tablet PC, Photoshop 7 and pressure sensitive just fine over here thank you very much.
No configuration needed at all. Photoshop just installed and it all worked.
Oh and its supported it since 0.9.30 at least. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Daemon tools is one of the examples of simple things that you can do on Linux without any bloated commercial software. There are several scripts to mount different CD/DVD images.
- ilobmirt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Just how much is the React Os team working together with the Wine team lately? Could they have anything to do with Wine's improvements? I'm just curious.
- dankegel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6OK, wake up. See http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7316
wine-0.9.45 probably supports pressure sensitivity for Photoshop 7
nicely. Photoshop CS too, but that has a rough spot or two yet
having to do with fonts and startup. - fragsta, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Finally they fixed my favourite application, WORDPAD.
- KungFuJesus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6um, i like to use linux but i also like to play CSS, so bam i just run it in wine. Wine is an amazing program. Go back under your bridge, troll.
- Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Wine wants to fully emulate/translate the Windows API, not just run the programs.
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6one by one then we will have them all :) would you rather they not fix it?
- Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Guess what, they use wine to make that 3D-support...
- dankegel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I installed iTunes 7.0 and purchased "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk. It played, too. But I don't think it integrates with the iPod yet, and it's a little jerky. It's not ready to use, really, but it's great progress nonetheless.
I don't think iTunes 7.4 is working yet. - burkay, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Wine Is Not an Emulator.
- CircleFusion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"you get what you pay for."
Didn't you just recommend using Virtualbox, which is a free program? - Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Your forgetting games... Virtualization only works for the cpu, not the gpu. Wine can map calls to your native OS (Linux) so that games actually can work, and in some cases do. With virt there's no chance at all.
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Moron?
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5"it's hard to tell the difference"... for many there are some problems when there run in wine... wine works really well!! but its not nice to confuse some-one by haveing them think that they can run most windows-apps easily with wine... if it were that easly then way would crossover office's site only list like 100 apps that they have working... and a big list of apps people want to get working( http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/toplists/ ) i like wine but it is just dishonest to make it sound soooooo good...
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Problem is, it doesnt mount mds/ccd. And yes I learned how to convert them using the terminal and what not, but it doesnt keep the security part of the image so when I burn it, its the same as the CD I bought; but it doesnt :(. Id just be very happy if daemon-tools was on Linux. Out of all the applications for windows, Daemon-tools is in my top 10. I always use it on every windows install. Some day I guess.
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm a convert! Hah. Wine is amazing. I got ventrilo working with my 2 sound cards with no problems. Same with other apps aswell. Even no cd cracks work on linux.(with wine of course). Only now i see how powerful this program is. I wish I would of learned how to use it before. Because its very simple to use, its just the developers have to keep on adding features and what not (thank you programmers for your hard work).
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5What he said.
- nanostream, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Its funny how everyone thought my comment was negative. I guess I should expound more next time.
- znachtman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I see the evolution of the "press alt + f4 to get magic cheats!11!!!!" apes have proceeded nicely.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5i still wish .net 2.0 apps would work in linux =/
- znachtman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3you got dugg down by all of the wordpad zealots...
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