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- opencoder, on 10/11/2007, -6/+43I finally gave up Windows entirely for my Linux box. When my hard drive died, I decided that it was a waste of space just to play Call of Duty 2 and Age of Empires 2. And now with wine, CoD2 runs pretty perfectly. And its nicer than cedega. The other plus is now I dont have fat32 partitions sitting around so I can keep files between my drives. Its perfect in every way. Makes me feel almost, liberated.
- kethraal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+34"I've watched wine go through more than 20 releases now."
Youngun :-D - bhattsan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34@Timmmm (#7214113)
its because enough people feel it is important enough, and digg it up. When there are enough diggs, this reaches front page. Get it? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+35I've watched wine go through more than 20 releases now. It's come a long way. Keep up the great work!
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -7/+35Why is it we have to go through this every single time it hits the front page?
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17A closer way to put it without changing the wording much is "Wine, a free implementation of *the* Windows *API* on Unix.", which is actually true.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16I have a Debian box with an old version of wine, and let me tell you, when I upgraded to the recent version, it was like an entirely different program. Things actually...worked. If you try the ones in the old repos, almost no program works, it's more of a proof-of-concept.
The project has come a long way, to say the least. - mvent2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Yeah, I know Windows is an outdated useless OS. No need to remind me. Thats why I followed your suggestion ages ago and got something real men use to keep their computers stable and virus-free, Linux.
- strabes, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Just remove the linux topic in your section viewing preferences.
- Kr4t05, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13*proceeds to erect a sign reading "DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS."*
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11you've never actually used linux have you?
- cynicist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Jason, I told you in the last article that you could filter out the Linux section. Is commenting here so irresistible?
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Wine_0_9_38_Released - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I dunno. Wine is chasing a moving target, but it always seems that they're getting there faster than Windows is progrssing.
A good reason for this is that Microsoft has to develop applications for their OS - everything from basic stuff like Explorer and Aero to little and big things like Notepad and Internet Explorer.
Wine basically just has to develop the underlying stuff (APIs) and some compatibility transports (false registry, filesystem mapping). Aside from the undocumented features of the Windows API, Wine is pretty damned complete.
DirectX, admittedly, has been giving them troubles - but that will be sussed in the end; once their framework is laid out, it's really only a matter of small rewrites and a little extra coding to get from DX8 to DX9, etc. Same for the new features found in Vista.
My prediction in 2025 is that they'll at least have an RC1; besides the development advantage the Wine HQ has, there's also the MS rumor that this will be their last OS. Probably untrue, but it means that - at least until MS decides diffferent - Vista is going to become a *very* tempting target. - strabes, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Same here. It was refreshing/relieving.
- blizzok, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10"Wine, a free implementation of Windows on Unix."
NO NO NO
Compatibility Layer != "free implementation of Windows" - Kr4t05, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9uTorrent has been working on Wine for ages. ;) But, yes, Wine is amazing.
- lordmike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Just think how much further we'd be along if some of the parasites (like Corel) would have given back some of their code during the FreeBSD licensing days... a significant mount of progress was completely lost, because proprietary firms made significant contributions to the project, but never contributed back the code. It's a real good thing that Wine now has a GPL -compliant license... like it should... not surprisingly, the progress that has been made has been fantastic!
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I like to read the comments. I don't like to read the "zomg why is this on the front page" comments that you see every time a Wine thread comes up. So I complain about it. Hopefully, my months of complaining will convince people to stop posting them, and instead post constructive posts.
Sadly, this isn't nearly one of my more constructive posts. But it gets old seeing the same post on every article asking the same question that's been answered a thousand times. It'd almost be memetic if it weren't boring. Things get to the front page because people promote them there. Things don't because people bury them. If you want to see them, post them. If they're dupes or boring, they won't hit the front page. Period. - newbill123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9It's GREAT to see Wine progress so quickly!
I know this will be an unpopular comment but I wish there were some way to look forward to what's coming soon since this is a project that will be years reaching 1.0 (if ever). As it is now, I get to see the Changelist since the last fix, but not get a sense of what's coming soon.
One thought (in addition to, not instead of, the current format) is of encouraging interested developers post their progress in terms which are significant to them. If their company is paying them to add enough fixes to Wine to get their app to work on Linux, having a developer blog showing the significant progress would be great to watch. Especially since this developer may stop committing regularly to Wine when his app works and the company stops paying. Some developers may already post such blogs now, in that case a page aggregating links to the blogs would be helpful if it could be mentioned in the release notes.
It's great to see the past progress of Wine. It's just that it's be even more appreciable to get a taste of what might or might not be on the near horizon in the near future. - BbIT, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8i got utorrent to work on it like a champion. i love WINE!
- straxus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"Why try to emulate it with horrible results and loss of performance?"
I agree. Why emulate and take a performance hit when you could run WINE instead? Confused? Look it up. - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Someone called L33tMasta extolling the virtues of Windows...
Somehow, I doubt your l33tness, sir.
"Linux is nothing but text and *****."
Riiight. KDE says 'Hi; apparently you've been avoiding Linux since the early 90's.' - xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7LOL, backtrack linux is a security auditing tool. I love backtrack but its not a desktop operating system, you can use it, but I can't see why you would. Do you like to crack your own windows sam file every other week?? And once you have cracked your neighbors WEP keys, what else would you use it for on a desktop OS. You could use it like an ordinary distro, office, internet, watching videos, listening to music etc, but it does not come with those tools unless you add them. Backtrack is designed to be burnt to a disc, or used on a laptop for its security auditing, or moved from location to location.
How about you try suse, fedora, debian, ubuntu, gentoo and then you will soon see that linux, is great for more then just wep cracking. - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Wine has been a .9 release for several years now. :)
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7*blink*
ALSA is designed for low-latency sound and ease of use at a developer level. OpenGL is industry standard. Linux's joypad API is dead-easy to interface with. Don't want to deal with 'em? SDL is also an excellent game library, and you can port that which you write in SDL to Windows and OS-X without missing a beat.
Seriously. Reseach before you speak from the ass. - srg13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"If these guys spent half as much time making a linux API for games and asking the game makers what would they like the Linux kernel to do there might be better game support natively"
We already have APIs for games: OpenGL and SDL are a very good alternative to DirectX. - Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8If there were some way to emulate *nix on Windows it might make sense to do that, but it's awful hard to emulate having a stable open source operating system without actually having one. As it is, Wine is the best way to have a useful computer and run crap software like QuickBooks at the same time.
- shrewduser, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8find binary packages for your distro (as well as repo's so you can keep it nice and tidy within your package manager) here: http://www.winehq.org/site/download
- WebCrusader, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You understand the Digg's mechanics, right?
I'm interested in wine development, because as better it get, it makes me less dependable to Microsoft OS, if I want to run a Windows application. - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@futureguy:
"funny, but true. A copycat will always be one step behind."
This is not necessarily true; The Windows API hasn't even added many calls in Vista, and MS seems locked into the idea that this is their last expansion of it at the very least (which is what fuels the idea that it may be their last OS). It's entirely possible that Wine will catch up with windows, and possibly even improve on the performance of existing functionality.
"And keep your comments about how stable *nix is versus windows to yourself, its kind of getting old."
I didn't mention stability, security, or anything of the like. You brought it up.
"I am writing this from vista that hasn't been rebooted for I don't know how many days"
*stares blankly* You want a cookie or something? Call me when it's been up for years.
I'm writing from a Windows XP box that I use as my main PC, and I havent shut it off in months. I run Ubuntu Linux on my laptop because the proprietary drivers for Windows for a Dell Inspiron 1100 are either buggy, missing, or both. I also have an older iBook that's seeing even more disuse than a week ago because Safari runs on Windows now.
I basically use Windows on this box because I need it to run proprietary software essential to my job, and I don't want to have to tweak Wine to do it. I'm a freelance developer, and time spent hacking at things is time that I should be billing.
Of course, when I *did* run Linux on this box (back when I was developing primarily for clients who needed KDE apps), the thing had been on for a long while as well - from date of initial install (which I can't remember specifically). When I had to switch over (something like April), I still had revision 2.6.4.
"and no I don't need to run any emulators and yes I can play any games I want and yes it runs DX10, I guess one gets what one pays for."
Very correct; I pay for hardware, and I run the software that supports it best. On my PC, it's Windows XP; Vista runs too slow, and Linux has a little sound bug that makes recording work on this one next to impossible. On my Laptop, Linux is the superior solution; it, you know, actually runs my hardware without choking like a three year old on a McDonald's train.
"I am sure burying this comment would make your hurt ego feel better."
My 'hurt' ego is laughing at you for being an obvious shill. No seriously. Choice of OS has become purpose-specific. I find Linux to be far more useful in the little techno-chachkis I own and build than anything Microsoft's ever put out (including my PDA), but my primary PC runs Windows - not because it's better, but because it's better for what I need. - xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@futureguy
while I agree, with you partially, an experienced user could run windows without a virus scanner, but not all viruses are in your face, some turn your computer into a zombie, and actively try to avoid detection. Running windows without a virus scanner is like having unprotected sex with as many people as you can, sure it you may never get a an std, but your are definitely french frying when you should pizza. - ripdog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I give it 2 years. Oh well, its pretty good already, and just getting better. Bug fixes of this magnitude give me a warm, fuzzy feeling, even if most of them mean anything much.
- srg13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"I am sure burying this comment would make your hurt ego feel better."
I doubt that you can hurt people's egos by sounding like a whiny little Windows fanboy... - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"I've watched wine go through more than 20 releases now. It's come a long way. Keep up the great work!"
So you've been using Wine for 2 months then ;). - SamuelDr2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@xspinkickx (#7215671) said: "you've never actually used linux have you?"
I think the right question would be:
what kind of distribution have you used?
With linux you are not forced to use the damned command line if you don't like it. - SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5WINE is not an implementation of .NET, but of the Win32 API. Mono, on the other hand, does .NET just fine and has been doing .NET 2.0 including WinForms for a while now...? Surprised you haven't heard of it.
- jackyyll, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The debian repositories (the ones on the deb page on winehq) haven't been updated yet, they're still on .9.38.
- daftman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"I don't care what OS you use but stop the BS about windows and virues. I have had XP for years without an anti virus and only its build in firewall. It runs everything from IIS to SQL to Biztalk and I have never had a virus or spyware (and yes I know enough to realize if I had one of them),"
*****!! Windows XP only started to have a firewall at SP2. Prior to SP2, it got hit with the MS Blaster virus which exploit the RPC vunerabilities. So unless you are just a windows XP newb who started using it in the last couple of years, don't claim that you can run XP without anti-virus and using only the default firewall.
I was hit with the ms-blaster virus which flood my port 135 and so was the local university's network. And they had firewall but did not block port 135 because that was a legitimate ms application port.
Running IIS and SQL means absolutely nothing if you don't expose the network out to the public. Here's a wager, give me you ip address to your IIS machine and let see how long before I can get behind your pathetic default firewall. - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@futureguy:
It's very good that you're knowledgable enough to run windows and avoid the security nightmare that less intelligent users face.
I suppose you're also smart enough to not run as administrator, and to browse using Firefox or Opera.
Meanwhile, that doesn't mean the rest of the world is quite as nigh-psychic about such threats; one only has to allow his friends to ask him for tech support for a week to know that.
But let's do a little cross-comparison of the argument from experience. I've had my mom on Ubuntu for the last year and a half after I got sick and tired of cleaning up her messes. She somehow was able to contract infections even while browsing with Opera. After Ubuntu, there's not been a single virus, a single error, or a single major issue that required me to actually go to her house and fix.
Hell; she's even figured out how to update her computer all on her lonesome (ie: click the button in the system tray that says "Hey! Update this thing!"), and install new software using apt (well, indirectly. She taught herself to use the Add/Remove Software app, which uses apt as its back-end).
Of course, apt is the key here; having an entire repository of known-to-be-virusless software at your fingertips without the worry of paying for it is a serious power trip for any computer illiterate, and it allows the user a major amount of freedom without causing tech support (me) to have panic attacks over viruses. - dualscreenman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4afaik 2 years ~= several.
- straxus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"And keep your comments about how stable *nix is versus windows to yourself, its kind of getting old. I am writing this from vista that hasn't been rebooted for I don't know how many days, and no I don't need to run any emulators and yes I can play any games I want and yes it runs DX10, I guess one gets what one pays for."
OMGZ!! I love Windows sooooo much I just *have* to tell all those weird Lenux users how dum they are!!! ROFL!!!!! - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Best thing about it: Safari for Windows now runs!
- blurrie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3when will 1.0 come out?
just asking. - jman8888, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5So close to 1.0.
when it hits 1.0 i should give the devs a cookie. - dtfinch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Damn. I wasn't paying attention, and just now upgraded to 0.9.38.
- daftman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@futureguy
Does your Window Fanboy urge force you to comment on every Linux story? If you are going to troll at least do us a favour and do it with some basic intelligence.
In the field of software engineer, knowledge is built upon one another. Microsoft have its fair share of copying others work. actually you would be hard press to find microsoft doing anything original.
Furthermore, wine isn't about copying Microsoft Windows. It is a compatibility layer (yes big words for you to understand) that allow people who want the security of linux but still locked in to software that are written for the windows platform.
By 2025, I suspect the level playing field is so even that wine is only required for people to run old application. Even Microsoft Windows can't support its old application as well as wine - msgyrd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"I am writing this from vista that hasn't been rebooted for I don't know how many days"
Thats not really a bragging point. BSD has installs out there have uptimes measured in years. - jasorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Wine is nice and all but really, just go 100% linux. Putting our collective wallet behind linux by buying native linux games/software, and, more importantly, NOT buying windows games/software will get it over in a hurry.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I personally refuse to do any coding on a system with no decent CLI. Graphical testing packages have come a long way (they've had to in order to compensate for the weaknesses of Windows) but coding a unit test in say JUnit still takes me far more time than simply using good old plain and simple stdin and stdout. I can handle not having pretty ticks and progress bars since they add nothing to the experience of testing.
Saying this Vista has come quite far with PS but:
1. It still has weaknesses in comparison to bash, no tab completion of files in the PATH variable is the obvious one
2. It is god slow. I mean 15 seconds to start a console?
Bash is still better than PS so I still do all my coding on Linux and will do into the future. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2some .net 2.0 in wine would be nice =/
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