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- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -1/+50Wow, updates from the future!
- corevette, on 10/11/2007, -8/+48why does it matter? as long as it fits the category, and gets enough diggs to reach the front page, then obviously the community wants it. if you don't want it to reach the front page, don't digg it. personally i hate comments like yours that show up every time wine releases a new version
EDIT: woops, just read 'in before' sorry. anyways you should read my comment anyways whoever was thinking of posting that - YokoZar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26This release was unusual, in that it was three weeks after the previous release. The current GIT tree last Friday just wasn't in a releasable state, so Alexandre decided to wait until this Friday.
I just uploaded Ubuntu packages to the WineHQ Apt repository (http://winehq.org/site/download-deb) for Feisty and Edgy 32 bit. It would have been done about 12 hours ago, but my internet connection today has been very Comcastic. Dapper and Etch are building now, and should be released alongside the 64 bit package for Feisty sometime Saturday.
Among the changes in this release that I've noticed is that eMule should work a lot better with the Kad network, no longer dropping connection after a few hours. But, truthfully, I don't use that many apps on Wine, so there's likely a ton more that have had similar minor improvements.
Inspired by an idea at the Ubuntu developer summit, we've been putting together an Ubuntu Wine team - so far, over 14 Ubuntu contributors have joined, each meaning to improve Wine in some meaningful way for the user. The ideas so far range from fixing up the default color scheme to completely rewriting the rather unintuitive winecfg program. With improvements like these, combined with the amazing efforts going on at winehq, it definitely seems that the Wine version in Gutsy is going to be substantially better than what most people expect of Wine's current usability and functionality. - shrewduser, on 10/11/2007, -6/+27you realise there are people who hate tech updates too... (but they aint here... )
but digg is digg, if you find it not to your liking you can always shut the ***** up. - Xilon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17Try touching every file, should set the access time right.
- leszek, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20- 0.5 year:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Photoshop_CS2_on_Ubuntu - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Then don't digg the story. Don't comment.
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Oh come on, Wine-doors? They should have gone the obvious route: Cellar. It's where Wine goes to age, gain maturity, refinement, bringing out those subtle flavors...
- cynicist, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Maybe you should just filter the linux section out, instead of wasting energy typing worthless comments.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16none of you can see "IN BEFORE" in the first comment, implying that everyone is going to flood it with hate comments. It's called sarcasm and you're all a bunch of complete failures.
- garreh, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17You two do realise that gjs278's comment is taking the piss out of those who whine about whine updates, and not actually whining himself?
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Works in 64bit Ubuntu here...
- schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11The Wine team will be also relieved to know that the recent loophole has been closed:
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2191142/gplv3-claims-victory-microsoft
For context, last week they posted this:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070529-microsoftnovell-agreement-may-exclude-patent-protection-for-wine-openoffice.html
Novell's PR denied it, but in any event, it's all resolved. http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2191012/novell-trembles-wake-closing - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9You might not be able to install CS2 under wine, but you can use 7.0. It might be out of date but its good enough for a majority of what people want it for.
GIMP is also often 'good enough', but I agree that the interface is fairly horrible, I would love to see an OpenSource clone of something like that Pixelmatix program that was posted here before, using the new composite features (Might be a program that could get an Linux port considering that its on OSX and built on OpenSource, or a candidate for a Blender style freeing).
CS2 support probably wouldn't be too hard to implement, there are screenshots on winehq that show it mostly working but not usable. I don't really understand the WINE development system, I rarely notice any change in WINE from version to version, often updating breaks more functionality than it fixes. I would think getting Photoshop CS2 working would be a fairly big priority for most of the developers. Then again a lot of the stuff I'm testing is games and such, but most normal windows software I would want to use already has a Linux equivalent I'm, happy with.
Then again Wine will frequently blow my mind by running one application insanely well. Nero with cdburning for instance (at least when 6.0 was them main release, the newer version might not work so well). I also don't use Nero since GnomeBaker/Brasero/K3B work great for what I want.
Might be an idea if they post what popular applications should work with the newer version in the change logs so it give some general idea of what is happening. I'm sure a lot of the patches are implemented to fix some specific program.
WINE will really be great when you can pop in any random Windows cdrom and expect it to probably work without issues. I'm sure its also great for heaps of non mainstream software aswell. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8it doesn't even compile for me actually, because the timestamps inside the .bz2 file are way off. Basically, they have the timestamp of the future. My clock is correct, one them are a little ahead of the game.
- YokoZar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I am well aware of wine-doors, and intend to package it up myself ;)
- regeya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Excellent news. Wine just keeps getting better; every release brings me that much closer to not needing to have a separate Windows machine (I don't dual-boot, and running Windows in a VM is just silly ;-)
Though to be fair I run remarkably few Windows programs.
To the people discussing Photoshop: I thought CS/CS2 would run in Wine, but 7.0 is indeed good enough for most people. As long as you're not needing to do perspective cloning (whatever its name is) or use Photoshop to grab RAW photos, or any of the convenience features of newer versions, Photoshop 7.0 is indeed good enough (overpowered for most peoples' needs, IMHO) to do most things. - MightyNe, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10digg comments are near always pointless and inane, I still don't understand why the feature remains.
- YokoZar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6The reason Wine releases aren't rated against particular applications yet is because of Wine's beta nature. Right now, releases come out every two weeks as little more than a snapshot of the current development code - "release early, release often" really is followed in the Wine project.
The process of getting a particular application to work is surprisingly indirect. It's not like writing a game or a web browser, where you can add features and levels, test them, update them, and then integrate them into the main tree. Applications running Wine are already using tons of unimplemented features, many of which they don't actually need to work functionally - sometimes Wine's "stubs" work well enough.
Developers obviously want to run applications, however different developers focus on different ones. Codeweavers developers might be implementing the features needed by Microsoft Office, while a volunteer developer might try getting Direct3D to work for his game. The project's leader, Alexandre, justifiably won't add giant convoluted patches or hacks that might cause a specific application to work while breaking others - instead, "long term" focus is on getting the API implemented right, so arbitrary applications will work like they do on Windows.
What this means is that patches will come in piecemeal - a bug fix for one function used by one app, an implementation of a function for another, etc. Two weeks later, it's time for the next release, and Alexandre can't be sure if the applications people have been working on are functioning yet, if he even knows what applications they were writing functions for to begin with. So, instead, the version changes are expressed as overly technical feature implementations (say, "support for MSI automation"), and to know what applications have started working (either through direct developer attention or simple "collateral damage") we just have to make a release and see. - AlexFerny, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Why should they post stuff for which info is already mostly in the appdb?
- russellnation, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4use the portable photoshop CS2 under wine.
you know the one that runs off a flash drive. - lemur, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3EbilPhish: "Then again Wine will frequently blow my mind by running one application insanely well."
That is the way I feel about it too. When I started using wine a few years back, it was amazing to me that it worked at all. Most programs I try on wine don't work, but every once in a while you get a winner and it runs like a dream. Also, if you are absolutely determined to make a program work, there are various levels of finagling and finessing that can be applied in order to coax it into running. - murlox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Despite the fact that I could run WC3 FT & play tower games w/o any problem using Wine on my 64-bit Linux. This software is still pretty much experimental in nature.
- romulasry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4That is sarcasm, so why isn't he dug back up?
- leszek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"Might be an idea if they post what popular applications should work with the newer version in the change logs so it give some general idea of what is happening."
The problem is that they cannot test every windows application when another version comes out. - damentz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2its TOAST not POAST
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@romulasry
Thats why I just pony up to Codeweavers and Transgaming. I love the results, but just dont have the time to blow toying with crap like that. Vanilla wine is still awesome and amazing that it even works, but when I can get Crossover or Cedega to run the specific apps/games that I want to use just fine, I will pay the bill. The way I see it, the licenses are cheap enough that I still come out ahead with a Linux base and a few slightly pricey apps (Crossover, the monthly Cedega charges, VMWare ...).
I am just happy that all I need a legit copy of Windows for is a vm for familiarity with XP && Vista for doing repair jobs. Knock on wood, Linspire and Ubuntu have shown a real resilience to noobs and PC iliterates. I think the community should give the devolopers a night out for the work thus far. Hell, Dell approves enough to spend the time on catering to us now :D - leszek, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7don't duplicate the efforts, did you check wine-doors ?
http://www.wine-doors.org - YokoZar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2At best those are just mirrors of this page:
http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html - AlexFerny, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7Yes, and most of us dont give a f. about the average Wintendo user switching to Linux, its not our fault that because if their support for MS & others we are now in a situation where companies only bother writing stuff for Windows (with the exception of Photoshop for Mac as Mac has always been a designer based thing).
On a side note, I think its sheer lazyness that is stopping Adobe developing PS for Linux, Mac now runs on FreeBSD - so surely stuff written for that should be easily portable to Linux. - romulasry, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It works for me...
- mercurysquad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I didn't know timestamp mattered if you 'make clean' first.. ?
- Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"The problem is that they cannot test every windows application when another version comes out."
But they're making an effort - check out the appdb.
Whooa.... 3 hours late... should probably refresh old tabs :( - 35263526, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Would you like some cheese to go with that?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1*looks for .deb* not at www.getdeb.net yet, humm
- CompIsMyRx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Steam doesn't work on 0.9.38. Don't upgrade if you want your Counterstrike to work.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8569 - Nohbudy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I have to make a comment, as a heavy Photoshop user.
I have been using both CS2 and 7 for a couple years now, and most everything that I would ever need to do can be done in 7. However, the usability of CS2 over 7 is massive in leaps and bounds. It is almost (in usability terms) like going from XP to 95 or OSX to OS 9
And going from Photoshop CS2 to The Gimp, is like going from Windows XP to HP VUE - martinnn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0> there are various levels of finagling and finessing that can be applied in order to coax it into running.
There's still a lot of "core" Windows APIs which aren't implemented in Wine. This makes it impossible to run certain software, regardless of the amount of finagling and finessing you apply (assuming you don't want to actually write code for Wine). For example, there's no implementation of IO completion ports APIs (has been reported as Wine-bugs for ~2 years). - mercurysquad, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1True. With a fixed release schedule, especially when it's as frequent as every 2 weeks, it doesn't make much sense to post it on digg every time a new release is out. For other things like Ubuntu, with a 6 month release cycle, it's fine since there are substantial changes. But wine.. no. At least not unless there is some very major upate.
- Xenogis, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Can I run starcraft at full speed again yet? Or do I have to keep using an old version of wine?
- ikak, on 10/11/2007, -12/+8WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR
- tennisOK, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1I'm interested to know why this sub-thread has been almost entirely dugg down?
Is it because people have been saying that The Gimp is lame? - Ratteler, on 10/11/2007, -11/+5Don't forget Illustrator.
Lightwave
Zbrush
Modo
Poser 6 or 7
Get me those and I never need to boot Windows again. - Xilon, on 10/11/2007, -12/+5Who cares about Photoshop CS2... CS3 is out :P
- theOster, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1my biggest thing would be the autodesk line of products with acad leading the pack
and, continue digging this thread down - AlexFerny, on 10/11/2007, -16/+8Why would I want PS CS2 when I got Gimp?
Linux has plenty of alternatives for most software, one of the main uses of wine is probably for the few things (like games) that aren't available on Linux.
And on that note, fglrx and wine + cs1.6 still dont work :(
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8025 - tennisOK, on 10/11/2007, -15/+7The GIMP is not a serious competitor to Photoshop CS for any professional user, not only is it an unfamiliar app for users, for which the time spent learning it could be better used earning money, it's also lacking some key features, the most important of which is probably CMYK workflow, which makes it totally useless for anyone working in an print-basd environment.
Having said that, I doubt any professional user of Photoshop would bother running it WINE anyway - even if it did work i'd bet a disproportionally large number of users would be installing a cracked version... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -14/+5I completely agree. These updates mean nothing. Most people just want to install Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Why wouldn't they just put all their time into these so that their product actually does something that can't a;ready be done ( aka installing a Linux clone of the program... AIM = Kopete)
- Acglaphotis, on 10/11/2007, -12/+2People who come from windows wont like gimp... it is kinda unintuitive for what we have learned in photoshop, and there are like 7 gimp windows for 1 picture... its annoying
- mehigh, on 10/11/2007, -13/+3leszek: that tutorial doesn't work. Wine spits error after error and photoshop crashes.
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