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- TortfeasorTO, on 10/12/2007, -5/+54Wonderful two and a half year old article, guys. Thanks.
- fluffymikey, on 10/12/2007, -13/+28Seriously. I've been having the hardest time finding some decent antivirus and registry cleaning software for linux lately. What crap!
- JimV, on 10/12/2007, -15/+27Windows? Linux?
Who gives a fudge nut? This argument has gone on too long. Linux is for people who like to mess with computers and don't mind getting their proverbial hands dirty. Windows is for people who just want their stuff to work and have ready access to other people who know how to use their computer.
Yeah yeah, online forums for Linux are nice, but it's not as good as being able to find someone in person.
And I'm not Linux bashing. I LIKE Ubuntu. I use it. But dammit, Windows and Linux are two different things, so quit trying to compare!!!! - mccord, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"Linux - When you want to configure your system all day long."
while ((1))
do
./configure
done
now i can get some work done! - jiub, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2022nd October 2004
Don't think it's all that relevant anymore. - baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24Biting the hands that feed IT...
The Register is a great website, it has been in my bookmarks for years :) - evolseven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I think this is a non discussion as well.. I use linux on my desktop 95% of the time, because it works, and I dont worry about even running a virus scan on it, worst case I would have my userspace infected and thats not all that big of a deal.
But my media center is a windows mce box, I know mythtv and all that but the 2 capture cards I already owned are completely unsupported by linux, or if they are supported I sure as hell cant figure out how to make them work.. cx88 blackbird design, but I am unable to actually pull a signal off of them in linux.
My car pc runs windows, because linux gps software.. sucks hard.. every piece of software I have found for gps in linux does not support automatic route planning so its basically useless.
My server runs linux and my router runs linux.. A lot of people I think want to use a hammer for the job no matter what they are doing.. and a hammer will cut wood.. but it wont do a very good or accurate job of doing so.. it will put a screw in wood.. but i doubt it will hold for very long..
Anyway long story short.. use the right tool for the right job.. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Wonderful two and a half year old article, guys."
And what's interesting is the Microsoft PR machine is grinding out the same old tripe. I hear managers quote some of those bullet points like they're conventional wisdom.
It is significant...still today, two years later...in that it illustrates MSFT's Karl Rove strategy. If you have a competitive weakness, attack your opponent on your weaknesses. They're still doing that, they're both still doing that. So when you hear the MSFT reps saying that Linux is less secure and actually costs more than Windows, that's a virtual guarantee that Linux is the most secure and cost effective alternative. - t0ny, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Linux after the long hard work you have a great stable system that is very safe and no virus can attack
Windows after the day of work you loses all your files in a crash, then you repair it and an hour later you get an virus and it deletes all your file.
I've gave up on Windows. I've NEVER had a problem with Linux that I did not cause. And with Windows? I've never had an install last more then a year without needing to be reinstalled.
Oh and nccord its while [ 1 ] I dont think ((1)) would work. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8bah
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Once again the Micro$laves turn out in force to bury the truth.
Does M$ at least give you cool Storm-trooper outfits, or do they force you to dress like those damn MSN butterflies while you spread the pro M$ lies. - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Could have saved you the effort, FTA
"* Nicholas Petreley's former lives include editorial director of LinuxWorld, executive editorial of InfoWorld Test Center, and columns on InfoWorld and ComputerWorld. He is the author of the Official Fedora Companion and is co-writing Linux Desktop Hacks for O'Reilly. He is also a part-time Evans Data Analyst and a freelance writer."
Listening to his comparison is no better than listening to Microsoft's PR. They both write their conclusion before they have commenced research and are therefore equally useless. This is a shame because there are some points of merit on both sides.
Also, there is a difference between being a Linux supporter and being biased. I use both, I like both. They both have upsides and both have their share of annoyances. They can both be secured by someone who knows what they are doing, and someone who doesn't know what they are doing could equally shoot themselves in the foot. - brd6644, on 09/01/2009, -3/+7Sure we can, considering that Apache pretty much figured out that whole "security" thing back in 1995 when the project had its 1.0 release. It only took Microsoft 8 years and 6 releases of IIS to finally achieve that seem feat. Considering that Microsoft's *cash reserves* grew from 5 billion to 30+ billion over that span, you might think they could have spent a "paltry" 5 or 10 million to fix the problem sooner considering the grief that it caused thousands of their customers. It's actually pretty embarassing for a company with the resources that Microsoft has to lose out to what they call a bunch of "hobbyists" in a category as important as security.
IIS 6 may be a fine product but the problem is bigger than IIS: Microsoft doesn't value security until it has a clear impact on their reputation and/or bottom line. Fixing IIS alone doesn't let them off the hook. - namelyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It has actually been a couple years since I have used Linux, but when I did driver support was severely lacking. Has it changed with 3d manipulation programs? 3ds Max? Or what about Photoshop?
I just find it rather difficult justifying using Linux. However, I will admit that it is great for web hosting, security and such. But, what else? - fleabag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Seriously can you please look at the article dates before posting? Im tired of seeing old ***** in my news reader
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@t0ny
A lot of system crashes are down to drivers, this has been said time and time again.
As for viruses, if your stupid enough to get a virus from within a couple of hours of installing Windows, then it's the users fault for not taking proper precautions.
I can tell you, if Linux had most of the share like Windows did, people would be jumping ship to Windows thinking it was a "Safe" (Not "Safer" for you ignorant ***** faces). - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7When it comes to security, people miss the obvious. Without an insecure OS, microsoft would be unable to:
1. Sell OneCare
2. Force people to upgrade to the next windows out of fear that their current windows will become a sesspit of viruses when the patch support stops
It's their business model people!!! Which is why you'll get the same thing with Vista, unless they have decided to change business models. - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Hey guys, did you know the sky tends to be a bluish color, grass tends to be a shade of green, and, yes, I believe I taste spit in my mouth. Come on, these facts were known 3 years ago when this article was written and they are still known today by the people who give a *****. Anyone else who might read this article is not going to take the time to switch to *nix anyway.
I think I'm going to write a blog entry about how there is a website out there that you can submit your own links and stories to where people vote to see who makes the front page. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I feel fulfilled that digg let me get my first "I" in at least. That was a highly biased rant about Ubuntu, linux, etc. that added little to this conversation anyway.
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8A two year old article, fantastic.
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3At least Windows security and other patches don't break my install like several Ubuntu updates have over the last year...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8A quick google search on Nicholas Petreley (the author behind this "report") clearly shows he is a linux supporter, hence totally biased. These days one must be more thorough when reading news on the internet. Tip: know your sources.
I really wish people could unite in tech. Microsoft is a case of successful enterprising. Fact: Some companies succeed and become big. It´s called capitalism, it´s the reason why we are able to use cheap computers.
Linux is a very good option, I have it installed on my Powerbook. But, believe me, it´s just another way of making business. Linux is not about saving the world from Microsoft. Linux is just another way of making money. We must respect and try every technology out there, not throw rocks like ancient cavemen. - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22004 called, it wants its article back.
Seriously, no-one (other than fanboys) bought MS's FUD about Linux. Actually, the fanboys didn't buy it either, they just said something like 'what else do you expect them to say'. - mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@evolseven: "worst case I would have my userspace infected and thats not all that big of a deal. "
You know, I see this statement all the time in these discussions, and no one ever disputes it. However, I think it comes from a massively multiuser or server mindset and doesn't apply to most computers. For most people's computers, userspace is the only space that really matters. Userspace is where your data lives - all your music, documents, saved settings, files, and such. That's the part of your computer that can't be pulled off a CD. That's the part of the computer that you back up, if you do backups. The rest of it - important though it may be - can all be reinstalled. If your operating system goes bad, you sigh and reinstall. If your userspace goes dead, you hope and pray you made a backup and it's current.
Think of it this way - have you ever seen a person say "Oh, crap, my hard drive died - I guess I have to reinstall." Or is it "Oh, crap, my hard drive died and I lost all my stuff"? - sn0re, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"I've NEVER had a problem with Linux that I did not cause. And with Windows? I've never had an install last more then a year without needing to be reinstalled."
This is a completely worthless statement. If I refactor your comments, you may begin to see how you've tried to compare completely different things:
"With Linux, I've had problems of unspecified severity or frequency, which I caused. With Windows, I've had problems of specified severity and frequency, which I may or may not have caused."
In any event, the implication is that your problems in Windows are more severe, more frequent, and someone else's fault. Aside from the inherent problems of your anecdotal perceptions, I can hardly imagine who you blame for the problems with your computer in Windows. I've found that people who don't understand the consequences of their actions will frequently blame "the computer" for seemingly random problems which can actually be traced to something they did or allowed to happen. Your level of knowledge about the system will greatly affect your perception of problems occurring without obvious cause. - Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5You know, if your caps-lock key is stuck, you can just get a new keyboard. They're really cheap.
And yes, it's a very old article. I get your point. - Lamity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The real facts are the _all_ current operating systems are rubbish. Who in their right mind would rock up at a mates place with a freshly painted 40 year old car? There's total homogeniety in the hardware we buy and also in the OS we use. Linux/BSD/Uni*x ... 40 year old concepts/ideas _still_ being implemented today with copycat UIs glued on the top (Cocoa, KDE) then there's Windows ... 25 year old contepts/ideas with a catchup UI. There is no innovation in OS and there hasn't been for many many years. Plan9? BeOS ... hmmm ... can't think of anything that really knocks my socks off in the last 10 years.
The whole OS argument is just such BS anyway. It's like Ford v GM or Toyota v Nissan. Same components slightly different packaging. There are no real options anymore. And as for the Register article ... Register rules ... I'm just amazed that you bunch of ***** are just continue to get drawn into such petty discussions when in reality capitalism has destroyed all our options and actively supresses new ideas.
I'll STFU now. - pointfivezero, on 10/12/2007, -13/+14Microsoft often provide misleading "facts" to continue their underhanded monopoly tactics to force vendor lock-in.
The Register has provided an unbias view (are they a vendor or, were they paid to write the article? I doubt it), which laid down some harsh critisicm and IMO, could be evaluated and used to resolve (even in the PR sector) issues to the aforementioned (MS) products. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -20/+20The Register is hands down one of the worst IT sites, I think only The Enquirer manages to beat it in stupidity, lying, etc.
- HuwJanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4[Yawn] More Linux fan boys. Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a Linux user.
Buried because its old and was brought up just to provoke another wave of fan boy arguing. - xorix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Windows vulnerable was found in base OS (IE, RPC, ActiveX, IIS) without any user installed software, without Office etc.
Linux vulnerable was found in about 20 000 (debian) packages, e.g. OpenOffice, Gaim, Squid proxy etc... user never install all theese 20k packages
there are big difference in (installed packages count) / (vulnerable packages) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4poffey,
Windows gets attacked because the hackers nowdays are hardened profit minded criminals. Like all businesses you go where the money is. Generally amature movie makers, musicians and programmers who cant afford commercial development tools dont have any money. So the hacker criminals all go to windows. - gameguy43, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2thus story buried for inaccurate (due to both age and lack of source credibility)
- poffey21, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9FTA
Myth Windows only gets attacked most because it's such a big target, and if Linux use (or indeed OS X use) grew then so would the number of attacks.
This only touches base on Web Servers. What about attacks on users. Web Server security is a Linux strength, but how many Windows users are attacked daily? The fact is, most security holes in Windows, are because users don't know what they're doing. Windows has to put up a safeguard for every user 'mistake'. The argument presented in the article is far from complete. - MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Um... soo... If I write an article and submit to dig with "REAL" in the title everyone believes it?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Yay! Another hit piece on windows. Keep em coming!
- Tankslap, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4It's more bad than it is old, too.
- simpleblob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3You had me at M$.
- rob3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2swat the butterflies Tux! Swat the butterflies to oblivion!
- stiankarlsen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1fluffymikey: "Seriously. I've been having the hardest time finding some decent antivirus and registry cleaning software for linux lately. What crap!"
registry cleaning, antivirus for linux? what the ***** are you smoking? - Ammo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I could just as easily make a windows-biased version.
But, of course, it wouldn't make it onto the front page of Digg.com because it wouldn't be pro-Linux - chazuk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3The Register?
Are you sure it ain't all BS like normal with those lot? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@stiankarlsen: It was meant as sarcasm!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Articles like these should have an expiry date.
Please bury this article. - stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3@tankslap...I couldn't have said it better myself.
- CGreen, on 10/12/2007, -12/+9Linux - When you want to configure your system all day long.
Windows - When you want to get some work done. - afruff23, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7IIS 6.0 is pretty secure, so you can't really rave all that much about Apache being so secure...
- mathmanjeffy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I wasn't aware Arnold used Linux...
- kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I prefer to call them "True Lies".
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