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- motang, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52This guys needs to understand that Ubuntu isn't Windows, and that it isn't going to be picture perfect move. But he did try and got it the way he wants it and the forums helped him out, not to mention Ubuntu is by far one of the easiest to use. Congrats to this dude for doing what he did.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36I only switched to Ubuntu (from XP) a few months ago, and I have never looked back since.
- MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18dear god, i LIKE windows and that hurt me.
- barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22just another article complaining about linux not being windows. yes we realize its not windows, please move on.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -6/+21I switched for a while, but had game withdrawals.
- l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I don't understand why NetworkManager isn't shipped by default. It's _extremely_ simple (as in Apple-simple, two-click-simple) to join wireless networks once it's running.
IMHO, Ubuntu needs avahi, networkmanager and language support installing out of the box (yes, you can choose your language in the installer, but it does NOT install language support, so you always boot in English >_< now, this is just plain stupid :( ). And Autopackage, but this might be a little controversial. - troydoogle7, on 10/12/2007, -12/+24Easy to use ? it has a long way to go.. but is on the right track.. sharing files with windows and wireless config are two big things that need work...
- Avogadro65, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I've half-switched. My laptop is Ubuntu/XP dual boot, and my desktop is XP (I'm a .NET developer, so...). So far, I'm loving using Ubuntu on the laptop. I finally got WPA working, which was the last thing left on my list, but regular wifi worked on installation.
I've been impressed with the stability so far, but until I get my fileserver switched over (and get a job as a RoR dev or something), I won't be able to switch completely. - xOCxKILLSx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I just switched last night and its awesome. I think what made me switch was installing vista rc1 and being unhappy with what i saw. I didn't want to be stuck with that for the next five years so I said screw it im going to Linux.
Ubuntu 6.10 with Beryl beats the crap out of aero glass. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11> if he wants pretty fonts and useless addons in a OS, stick to Windows
Perhaps he just hates really ugly fonts. And perhaps those "useless" addons provide fundamental features that he uses regularly. - twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11If spell check is so good, why don't people use it? People pay for redhat all the time, it's one of the most common distros. Linspire is also pretty popular and it is something like $40.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+9The only thing stopping me from installing it on my mother's computer is that it doesn't detect the wireless adapter.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9his wireless worked he said, and I use samba to transfer files between OS X, windows, and linux (gentoo and ubuntu) all the time and it works perfectly.
no linux isn't windows, but it would be cool if we had a program on our livecds and install cds that can grok windows apps configs on a windows partition and migrate settings from some common apps. especially multi-platform apps like firefox, and things like msn and aim accounts being added to gaim. if new users could try a livecd and with a click of a button have some of their things already set up that would be a really awesome first experience.
i know i know, i should get off digg and start writing some code. - wedderburn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10its true, for a new user im suggesting dapper just because its nice and stable.
edgy is just as its name suggest. wireless is on the blink and a few things don't work. - TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Most people don't pay for it because it's FREE.
- Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I wish digg would put a troll report button on comments.
- roxics, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I totally agree about the fonts. That was one of my issues with Ubuntu. Text just doesn't look very good. And yes that is really important. It's such a little thing they can and should fix. Not something the end user should be bothered with but something that looks wonderful out of the box.
It's little things like this that linux devs overlook but really shouldn't. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"A better question would be why do Gnome and KDE copy Windows as much as they do?"
People who don't use Linux often make this false statement. Let's see, there's a sort of 'start' button and task bar. Okay. Um, you can browse folders/files on your hard drive in a nice window... yes I guess that's JUST LIKE WINDOWS too. What else? Well.... I think... YES- there's an MS-DOS type terminal thing. Darn those windows copycats! - ronin2040, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Good point! I have some bottled air if you want to buy it, its clearly better than normal air--it costs money!
- jstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4How again is Linux dragging behind Windows? It seems to me that vista is trying hard to implement a lot of things that were already available under Linux.
- dechah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Ubuntu and just about any other version of Linux is not even installable on my hardware. My machine runs on an ASUS P4C800 Deluxe motherboard, and all I get when I try and use Ubuntu is a hung computer during the install. The hardware allows me to install and runs Windows XP without a problem. It is very disappointing. Apparently it is something to to with the way ASUS have implemented ACPI on the mobo. It certainly leaves a bad linux impression however, even if the culprit is ASUS.
- spiralspirit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I recently downloaded the Dapper release (6.06) and used it as a liveCD on an Acer Aspire 5672wmli. It recognized everything, wireless included, except for the built in cam that even windows drivers are buggy with.
The main reason i won't switch is because i use the Adobe Suite and Vectorworks on a regular basis, neither of which work on ubuntu. Their hardware support/compatibility, though, is amazing. - HuwJanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6To those people who are asking why this person wants Ubuntu to look and feel like Windows, the answer is very simple: He has installed Ubuntu to *replace* Windows. A replacement, by its very definition is a substitute.
This isn't about moving away from the whole Windows way of doing things, its about substituting those Windows ways on Ubuntu. Quite why this causes people so much of a problem I don't understand. Since so many people have been using Windows for so long it can surely be no surprise that if and when they choose to move to Linux they want things to work in much the same way.
Much confusion arises because so many suggest that Linux is a valid Windows replacement and many users who are new to Linux install it expecting.... well, expecting Windows produced by someone else other than Microsoft.
In fact, if any Linux distribution really wanted to take the Windows world by storm they would all but replicate the way things work in Windows as much as they can. They would then get many more converts from the Windows camp, and could introduce them to the wonders of the command line slowly as they delve deeper into the system.
This may not please the Linux die hards who like to whine about Microsoft at every opportunity, but it would surely grab a lot more users looking for an alternative to moving to Vista (God protect us from such a thing!). - arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"People pay for redhat all the time,"
Enterprises pay for RedHat 'all the time'. I'll bet the vast majority of people (i.e. home users) use Fedora rather than pay the annual subscription for RedHat Enterprise Linux. - rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well, lets say I'm not really happy with living in the US. As a human I am fundamentally equipped to live anywhere on earth. So how comfortable would I be moving to Uzbekistan? China? Unless I have spent some time studying the way people live and work in those areas, I'm probably not going to be very comfortable, for a long time.
Perhaps the move to Canada or one of the English speaking countries (Much of Canada does speak English, but I am not calling them an English speaking country.) would make it easier for me to start looking further afield. I will have already made a few changes that may improve my ability to cope with other changes later on.
At the same time the original author is saying that there are some issues with the UI. While a few people have been saying that he's complaining that the fonts don't work the way they do under Windows, I think a re-read will show that he is saying that just within Ubuntu, different parts of the system are rendering fonts in different ways. If everything uses xfs to render fonts to the screen, and they all use the same collection of settings for the fonts used, then things would look Consistent. So what if it doesn't look like Windows. MacOS 8.6 doesn't use windows fonts either, but it does have a consistent use of fonts across the platform. They may not be the prettiest fonts available, in some people's views, but they are consistent.
Under Linux, it seems that almost every tool that does something with text, wants to use it's own idea of what a good font rendering tool is to render how that font looks on X. So even if xfs knows how to render fonts in a manner similar to cleartype on an lcd panel, that doesn't affect how Open Office, Firefox, or the Gimp reders the same font. As a result, they look different. This is a flaw. Then again I happen to think that having to tell the Gimp what printer I am attempting to print to, rather than having it direct output to the CUPS engine is stupid. I understand that the Gimp happens to be a drawing tool that may be able to do things with the UI, and a printer, that the local window manager or printer manager may not be completely capable of performing. I don't think that changes the fact that the implementation is flawed. (and stupid.) - scratched, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There is a GUI alternative for Samba. I can't remember what it is though because I like the freedom of editing direct text.
- rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Another reason that so many options in Linux seem to look like options in Windows, MacOS, or other platforms is that people who have been using those platforms have elected to use Linux for one reason or another, discovered that Linux is very flexible in setting up themes, and have modified various themes to look like the environments they have used in the past. Then they make those modifications available to others. Suddenly you can make Linux look like MacOS, BeOS, CDE, various releases of Windows, etc.
If you dig deep into the UI tools available for Gnome, KDE, and other window manager tools, you will find that there are controls that you will never find under Windows. I don't recall the last time I was able to 'roll up' a window under windows.
That's not to say that Windows UIs and Mac UIs aren't extensible as well, or themeable, etc. It's just most people don't go around and dig into the Windows and Mac UIs to the point of making them look entirely different from what Microsoft or Apple ships.
People tend to re-create environments they find comfortable. You don't have to use what they create, though it might simplify what you are trying to do if you use one of theirs as a starting point. - nauzilus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5As have I... there have been some trying moments, but I just keep telling myself "this isn't Windows, it's a different operating system, it's going to take some getting used to". I still have a fresh install of XP on a seperate partition (although I'm dreading the hours it's going to take to get all the service packs and upadates installed) just for the odd game play.
The impression I got from this article was "it's not like Windows, can you make it more like Windows?". Yes, it IS different, just like switching to a Mac would be yet another kettle of fish. - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Agreed. Not sure why you are getting dug down though.
While it's cool to switch from Windows to Ubuntu, you shouldn't be all whiny and comparative about it. Does it work, is it stable, does it do what you need it to do... etc. Stop comparing apples to oranges.
Besides, one thing I've learned about Linux over the past 8 years... if it's not doing something you want or need it to do, wait a few months. - neithernet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4dechah:
Boot with noacpi & get to work.
scratched:
SWAT - OsakaWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I switched two months ago. I still need Windows for a few things (Rosetta Stone and Audible.com), but other than a few windows bootups now and then, I'm entirely on Ubuntu now. Very nearly de-assimilated myself from Microsoft.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's a horrible suggestion. That may have been good advice in 1988, but that was, like, 30 years ago.
Xkill is not the way to manage your desktop on 2006. - Neocrazy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know this will get buried but whatever. I don't know why I keep reading the articles about a WinXP user that converts to Ubuntu/Linux/"OS/X"/whatever. It ends up being a flame war between Windows and Linux users about how the Linux users thinks Windows sucks. Get over it. I know you are all Linux users and so am I. I run a couple boxes with linux on them but I choose not to complain over the choices some people make with regards to what operating system they use. It nice to see that some guy converts his parents or grandparents to Linux, but not everyone can do that. For the Average Joe, Windows just works. And that's fine.... don't punish them for that. Linux is far from perfect guys. It's been proven from some of the suggestions made above. Eg. Bluetooth, instant filesharing, printing(this is more of a vendor problem and not linux) to say a few. Anyways... I gotta get back to work....
- greylion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Try VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
It plays 99 % of what I would like it to play and the rest (my pc might be too slow for h.264, and it doesn't play realmedia files) I can live without. - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Digg, please ban this user. Everything I've seen them say was ridiculous flamebait. I accidentally came here without logging in first, which is the only reason I saw this comment in the first place (user had been blocked).
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A Lot of what he says is just crap... He expects Linux to be like windows, it's not.
"I am not able to understand why only some software is in add remove programs and the rest of it is in synaptic manager. Can you guys integrate more software from the synaptic manager into add remove programs? I know that maybe there are some packaging issues, but it is awkard for a guy coming from windows."
What the hell is he on about? There's no such thing like "Add/Remove Programs" or "Synaptic" in Windows... ok there's that ***** "Add And Remove software" or whatever but I only ever used that to uninstall stuff.
The reason why there's less stuff is obvious - simplicity and acccesiblity. If you had all the applications found in the repos in that menu you'd be overwhelmed and may just as well go into Synaptic.
"I like the desktop integration, but you could add some bits like new open office document. Also maybe I would like not to use send to mail using Evolution because I am using webmail. I wasn’t able to remove Evolution without removing the desktop functionality. So I just hided the evolution from the menu. Again usable but a little annoying"
Linux is about costumisation... you can easily add such a "template" in Nautilus. I am also a bit frustrated about how all the standard Gnome apps are for some reason interdependant, but there's also no option on "send to mail" using webmail on Windows. Stop being ignorant.
Bluetooth support indeed is really really bad in Linux, from what I remeber KDE has better support.
"I still have 2 things to achieve connecting to a windows domain and sharing files using samba (I didn’t had to do that yet) and printing again I didn’t had to print anything (I am against printing, but this is another discussion)."
Thise things are painless to setup. You don't even require the command line.
I have an LCD monitor and tbh the fonts are better than in Windows. These are the standard fonts... I have only installed one other font. Though for osme reason on some sites the font is either really ugly or the size of a proton. - Skizzot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7This annoyed me. He is not getting one thing. This isn't Windows. He constantly said "i spend (time here) making it like windows". The reason I use Linux on one of my boxes is because of that reason, it's not Windows. I like the way Gnome is setup, if he wants pretty fonts and useless addons in a OS, stick to Windows. I don't really comment very much but for some reason this got to me. :)
- vixenk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Two Samba guis I know of - Smb4k and Linneighborhood.
- nauzilus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Damn that's gotta be annoying. Well, if you hold down the 'alt' key you can just click anywhere on a window and move it around, so you could move the window up so you can see the "next" button.
I'm pretty sure that's standard for X, or at least GNOME and KDE... - pablasso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3got rid of configuring text files? theres apps for configuring samba on the graphical UI too for gnome and kde, its just more powerful and flexible doing it on terminal
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2sounds like a GRUB issue. I would check your grub.conf settings.
Edit: didn't hit reply.....this is for curios's message above.
Edit edit: More specifically - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=292533 - mikeoh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Or press Ctrl->Alt->Esc to bring up the skull and crosbones OR press to Ctrl->Esc to bring up a list of process, then select a process to kill OR press the the close button and wait for a few seconds for the window manager to recognise the process has frozen and bring up a dialog to kill the program.
This is on KDE, I'm not sure if it is the same on GNOME. - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5So you joined Digg just to troll Linux users? That is very sad. Enjoy Windows!
- Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@repruhsent Thats not how it works buddy.
@jstone stop feeding the troll man - troydoogle7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Every time someone says.. I think there is a webgui somewhere you have to install it seperately... Clearly the gui should be a standard part of ubuntu wen you install samba
- Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Dude you suck at trolling.
- jstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Somebody has issues.
- Etobian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With Ubuntu 6.06, you can run AutoCAD 2000 very easily under WINE. I haven't tried it with later versions.
When I tried Ubuntu 6.10, WINE (and other things) was really buggy, and AutoCAD (and IE) would not run at all. - curios, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how do i check the grub settings when ubuntu will not install because of the above error.
Tried searching on google but could not find solution. - dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2 It's true 6.10 seems to be very bad, lots of people from what I've read in forums, are going back to 6.06 which just works better. That's what happened to me.
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