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- Alfdog, on 10/12/2007, -19/+138I have both of them side by side right in front of me. Making a comparison is silly, they both have their uses. I have Vista on my high end rig, and Ubuntu on a spare computer. Vista is like a new SUV, it does everything I want it to, it just works, and it uses a bit more gas (resources), not to mention costs more. Ubuntu is like a car someone gave to you for free, it's free but you're going to have to put a little work into it. Can't they both be good at what they do?
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -35/+130> At one point, even Paul Thurrott gave Vista a bad review, which was a shock to the Windows community.
No, it wasn't a shock at all. Paul Thurrott isn't really biased at all like the Mac fans would make you think. He is, a tiny bit, but it almost never changes anything he writes (Except maybe on his blog) but on winsupersite he's incredibly fair and calls Microsoft out on all the faults and gives Apple praise for various things.
> While most people didn’t want to get their hands dirty with Linux, the majority of people who did so were pushed there by Vista’s bad reviews and their impatience with Microsoft.
"Proof" ?
> While using Windows XP, if you didn’t have a driver disk for your hardware you were screwed.
How are you screwed ? Basically all hardware will function on some 'low level' by drivers provided by Microsoft. It's great how this person is angry at Microsoft for hardware companies not providing drivers.
> All you need to do is open up Synaptic Package Manager, and type in “Burn cd”.
All you need to do on Vista is highlight the files you want to burn and hit Burn.
> .. while Vista retails for more than $300(if you want all of the bells and whistles).
And how many people need Ultimate ? Barely any and the reports show so far that the majority of people are buying Home Premium while 22% (IIRC) are getting Home Basic.
Aside from the glaring inaccuracies (Of which many I did not point out in this post) and bias it wasn't too bad of a comparison. Dugg, I guess. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52Full Text (No Images, sorry):
This is a part 1 of a two part series. Check back for part 2.
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For as long as I can remember, I’ve always been a fan of Microsoft. Since the early days of MS-DOS I’ve always been intrigued by them. When Windows 95 came out, I became even more of a Microsoft fan. With the following releases, my fan-boyism became even more apparent… then came XP. Windows XP was great for the first couple years. It was relatively unsecure when you installed it, but after installing a few small programs, a firewall, etc., it became more than usable. The real problem isn’t with XP though, it’s with Windows Vista. Because Vista took so long for Microsoft to push through the door, Windows XP became dated. XP had been around for so long that it’s graphics were sub-standard and it was a security threat no matter where it was installed.
Windows Vista to save the day?
When Microsoft started touting the release of Windows Vista (then Longhorn) to the world, people were excited. At that time, Windows XP was still o.k., but people were yearning for something more. With Vista we would get better security, better stability, better graphics, better networking… the list goes on. Back then, Microsoft was counting on releasing Vista when people wanted it…2 years ago. However, due to circumstances Vista wasn’t released until January 2007. By this time, people were starting to get a little scared of Vista. The people who beta tested it gave it poor reviews. At one point, even Paul Thurrott gave Vista a bad review, which was a shock to the Windows community. Everyone was hearing nightmares about DRM(Digital Rights Management), poor performance, and ridiculous prices. This made many people think “Why should I go with Vista? Why don’t I try this Linux thing I’ve been hearing so much about? Or this Mac thing?”. While most people didn’t want to get their hands dirty with Linux, the majority of people who did so were pushed there by Vista’s bad reviews and their impatience with Microsoft. So did Vista save the day for Microsoft? Or did it force people to examine other options while Microsoft was dragging it’s feet? For me, I decided to look at Ubuntu and never turned back. I used to like Windows, so I thought that I’d give Vista a chance (hey, it was free). The following are my impressions of the features commonly used by me.
Interfaces
For Windows Vista the interface has remained much the same. You have your Start menu (now the start orb), a task bar, a clock, and a ton of desktop space. The only new addition is the widget bar. With the widget bar you can install all sorts of useful tools. I personally have the sticky notes, calender, and system performance widgets. Besides that, the actual interface has changed very little. The start (orb) menu organization is still very similiar to XP, except with a better categorization structure. Note: Do not mistake interface for graphics (graphics will be covered in part 2.).
Vista interface
Ubuntu 6.10 has kept the same interface as past versions of Ubuntu. The application bar at the top of screen allows for easy access of programs, places, and settings, while the task bar at the bottom allows you to see the current programs in use. Next is where Ubuntu pulls ahead of Vista big time. If you’re a power-user like I am, you quickly run out of desktop space. In Ubuntu, you are automatically given at least 2 extra desktops to work with. It helps greatly in organizing work flow and improving efficiency. Switching between them is as simple as clicking the desktop you want. Another great (although small) aspect of Ubuntu is the clock. As you notice from screen shot, it gives you the date AS WELL as the time. To me, this is a great feature because I don’t have to mess with an extra click or two.
Ubuntu Interface
Networking
With Windows Vista, Microsoft has taken a giant leap forward with the usability of networking. For once networking(both wireless and wired) works out of the box. Setting up home networks is a breeze with the new interface, and the system doesn’t hang as nearly as often as it did before. One of the nicest features I’ve noticed in Vista’s networking window is the ability to decided who sees what. You can set it up so that you can browse people, but they can’t browse you. Or you can lock yourself down and not be able to browse anyone. While it may not be practical sometimes, it’s nice to have that kind of control.
Windows VIsta Networking
Ubuntu has some work to do in the networking department. By default, it will detect nearly any network you put it on, but if you need to configure this network at all… good luck. Ideally I’d like to see Ubuntu with a more user friendly network setup. The one thing Ubuntu does do right though is the ability to connect to a plethora of different servers(SSH, FTP, HTTPS, HTTP, etc) with a simple click. I personally use the feature all the time. All in all, I’d say that Vista and Ubuntu are neck and neck with networking, with Vista inching a little forward because of the ease of use.
Ubuntu Networking
Hardware Support
One thing that I had never fully realized while being a Windows user was Microsoft’s terrible support for hardware. While using Windows XP, if you didn’t have a driver disk for your hardware you were screwed. When I installed Linux for the first time I was expecting much of the same. I was pleasantly surprised however, when all of my hardware worked without any interference from me. In retrospect, this made me a little angry with Microsoft.
All of this changed with Windows Vista though. Upon installing Vista, you aren’t greeted by any hardware wizard boxes asking you for drivers. Everything “just works”, which I might add has been a HUGE selling point for Apple in the past few years. The only thing I noticed that didn’t work immediately was my sound card, but after connecting to Windows Update and downloading the most recent patches it suddenly began to work. This leads me to believe that Microsoft is finally starting to push driver updates through Windows Update (note: This was done in Windows XP, but the support wasn’t very good). Possibly the best thing about Vista’s new hardware support is it’s support for my wireless card. I have an Intel wireless card so support is always going to be good, but with some versions of Linux I end up having to use ndiswrapper to get my wireless card working. Needless to say, it’s a huge pain. Vista once again made it “just work”, and I was on my way.
Ubuntu has hardware support that rivals Vista. When I installed Ubuntu, EVERYTHING worked exactley as it was supposed to. Even my 5 in 1 card reader worked correctly. Immediately after installation I was able to connect to a wireless network and start apt-getting the programs I wanted. I will say this though, Ubuntu(and Linux in general) has very shady wireless card support. If you have a Belkin wireless card, it’s very possible Ubuntu won’t detect it at all and you’ll be using ndiswrapper. In my opinion, Windows Vista beats Ubuntu in hardware support simply because of it’s ability to detect wireless cards.
Application Availability
I’ll be honest, I’m a bit of an open-source software fan. So this part of the review may be slightly bias. Ubuntu has an amazing pool of available software applications. Let’s say you need a program to burn cd’s. All you need to do is open up Synaptic Package Manager, and type in “Burn cd”. You will promptly be greeted with a large selection of programs that can accomplish this task. These programs will also be rated, so you know which one’s work the best. The downfall with Ubuntu is the lack of “big name” commercial availability. This is due to most companies not developing for Linux, but this is changing as Linux becomes more of a force in the market.
Ubuntu Applications
Windows users have always had a huge pool of software to draw from. With Vista, this hasn’t changed at all. You can find a piece of software for everything when you’re using Windows, but you’ll have to pay for it. Granted, there are open-source alternatives to many of these programs, but they can be tough to find. If Vista had something similiar to Synaptic, then I’d be using it right now. In my humble(slightly bias) opinion, I think that Ubuntu beats Vista in application availability, but I also think Vista beats Ubuntu in applications that need good customer support. Because lets face it, getting questions answered in forums or IRC doesn’t work for everyone.
Windows Vista Applications
Cost
In this section, there are two sub-categories: Cost to own and Cost to operate.
The cost to own is really not even a contest. Ubuntu is free, while Vista retails for more than $300(if you want all of the bells and whistles). Obviously, Ubuntu wins.
The cost to operate is where the real battle is. A professor once said to me “Linux is free… so long as your time is.”. After installing Ubuntu once, you see the value of this saying. While Ubuntu does “just work”, getting it set up the way you like it can take hours upon hours. Since none of the packages you want come with the CD, you’re forced to sit through the long downloads via Synaptic. Another problem is that if something breaks, 9 out of 10 people don’t know how to fix it. If you consider all of this, Vista is looking great. With Vista you automatically know that “Hey, this isn’t quite what I want.”. But guess what, you have a stack of cd’s sitting next to your computer that’ll work with Vista, why not install them? No downloading required, just a straight install. And what if something breaks? Re-installing a program is near common knowledge on any Windows OS. This means less time you have to spend figuring out how a new OS works. Less time a tech needs to do something for you. All in all, if Vista is as secure as Microsoft says it is, it should cost less to operate(minus the initial investment). However, if it’s plagued by bugs and security issues, Ubuntu is the way to go. - mushroom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36This guy actually used both Vista and Ubuntu side by side unlike most other Vista vs Ubuntu here on digg i give him credit for this
- SamsLembas, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29"Because lets face it, getting questions answered in forums or IRC doesn’t work for everyone."
Lets face that being on hold with Microsoft phone support for three hours before being forwarded to a guy who has no idea what he is talking about doesn't work for anyone. - Mausen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Wi-fi needs work, true. But everything else really does just work under Linux nowadays. Try downloading a liveCD (such as Knoppix) and seeing for yourself.
- underdog5004, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Dugg for the extreme fairness (at least in comparison to other Windows vs Linux articles).
- peerk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24I love Ubuntu. I'm going to try out Linux next.
So what is better guys, Ubuntu or Linux? I've heard good things about both. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21All I know is that it's free. As a college student I couldn't ask for more.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32I could see why you would say this.......if the last time you used Linux was in 1995.
- BillGod, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27I am an MSCE. I have been using Microsoft products since DOS 3. I have been trying to make the switch from windows to linux for years. In fact my first attempt was RedHat 4.0. I have always had to revert and go back to windows due to something not working or not available in linux. I have been running on Ubuntu now for about a year. 3 out of 4 pc's in my house are Ubuntu. (My wifes is still windows due to my 3 year olds games not working with wine) For once Microsoft has a competitor. (not counting MAC just due to that fact you cant install it on any pc you want.) I even have my 13 year old neighbor running Ubuntu now just due to the fact that I used to "fix" his xp install about 2 times a month due to spyware infections. He LOVES it. Install Ubuntu and use beryl desktop manager and you will laugh the next time you see someone with Vista Aero desktop running. I mean come on... When I minimize a window it burst into flames and disappears. How cool is that. If you have not tried Ubuntu yet. Find an old computer or put another hard drive in yours and install it and give it a shot. It runs from a live cd but your not going to get the real feel until its installed.
- SamsLembas, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28You have never tried Ubuntu, have you?
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17"Ubuntu doesn't even work properly on nearly all wireless devices"
For me it's the opposite. My XP (and Vista) install loads the wireless driver (downloaded from hp.com) and lists available interfaces, but can only connect to unprotected routers, and always fails with some unknown error when trying to connect to my WPA protected router. And it cannot seem to connect to unprotected routers w a signal strength under 20%. In Linux, using ndiswrapper I can connect to all the routers (other then protected ones i don't own) including my own and it even connects to routers with less then 5% signal strength. I don't know exactly why, but I assume transmission/reception power is managed better using the ndiswrapper solution. All I know is, no wireless on Windows, which I can live with since all my games run in Linux anyway, but it would be nice : /. - skywake, on 10/12/2007, -19/+36"> While using Windows XP, if you didn’t have a driver disk for your hardware you were screwed.
How are you screwed ? Basically all hardware will function on some 'low level' by drivers provided by Microsoft. It's great how this person is angry at Microsoft for hardware companies not providing drivers."
to correct you here...
I know for a fact that I can't install XP on my desktop without SATA drivers on a Floppy/ThumbDrive
and I think that its fair to point it out
the amount of times I have heard people complain about Linux Distro X not supporting piece of hardware Y
you can't make exceptions for Microsoft on the same idea
yes... Vista supports SATA now, but I bet you there will be some hardware in the future that It wont support - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19He keeps talking about downloading software as if it's a problem. I bet he spent more time getting most of his Windows applications than he did downloading Linux software (start from the time he decided he wanted a particular piece of software, until he made a trip to the store or ordered it online, until he actually had the install disk in his hand and inserted it into the computer).
- SeBBBe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17^^ That's because you didnt install the proprietary ATI drivers. They dont come with Ubuntu since they arent open, but there are quite a lot of guides and howtos out there. Just google fglrx howto or similar.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20"> While most people didn’t want to get their hands dirty with Linux, the majority of people who did so were pushed there by Vista’s bad reviews and their impatience with Microsoft.
"Proof" ?"
This is exactly why I installed Ubuntu a couple of weeks ago, actually. I heard about all the video and sound issues in Vista, all the DRM, and the poor performance in games, and tried a few Linux distros. I was pretty active in the Vista beta and really enjoyed it, but I assumed all the problems I ran into would be nailed down by RTM. They're not. But Linux is no picnic either.
XP for me until Vista SP1, just like I've done for every Windows launch. - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16What is a "real Linux user"? One whose been using it since 1994 (version 1.0.0)? One who hacks the kernel? One who is personal friends with Linus Torvalds?
Personally I'm glad there is a Linux distro that causes so much excitement even with people who weren't previously interested in Linux. - Miche1987, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yeah, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and digg you up for the joke.
Don't make me regret it. - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Windows = anti-freedom = terrorism
If you use Windows you support the terrorists - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"> All you need to do is open up Synaptic Package Manager, and type in “Burn cd”.
All you need to do on Vista is highlight the files you want to burn and hit Burn."
The example given was to *install* CD-burning software, not to actually burn the CD. The "Package Manager" bit should have tipped you off. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"...but if you want to do any kind of customization for how the hardware works"
True, but I've never ran into too many problems concerning hardware in my 4 years using Linux. I was actually shocked the first time I upgraded my motherboard, plugged my old hard drive into it and Linux booted up happily w/o any problems, and the two mobo's were radically different (KT266 to Nforce4) Linux detected all my new hardware (sound, network, pci tuner, wireless, etc) when booting on the new board and even used the previously installed Nvidia graphics driver w/o issue. Motherboard changes had always been a particular pain for me on Windows since it almost always required a reinstall of Windows and all my crap (backing up 200gb of crap is not fun) unless the new hardware was deadly similar.
4 years, 3 mobo upgrades, 3 hard drive upgrades, same install of Arch Linux. - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"I could see why you would say this.......if the last time you used Linux was in 1995."
Linux kicked the ***** out of Windows back in 1995 :)
Slackware Linux 3.0 > Windows 95 - dannuic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Heh, I'm actually using an SMC Atheros-based PCMCIA card in Debian to post this. I had about 0 problems setting it up to work properly, and Atheros support is supposed to be crappy, but I really dig the work those guys at madwifi do.
simple howto:
sudo m-a prepare
sudo m-a a-i madwifi
sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
=) - CarbideTipped, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Ubuntu/Linux= FREEDOM!! Top that.
- cryptoisfun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Actually Ubuntu also asks you what you want to do when you pop in a blank CDR. No additional software needed. To burn ISO files, pop in a blank CD, right-click on the ISO and click burn.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I'll agree that the 2,000 "Why You Should Switch From Vista To Ubuntu" articles per day in the Linux section is getting pretty damn annoying....having to sift through all of it to find a good article.
And the fact that they're all insanely biased towards Linux, pushes Windows users even further away.
But you can definitely tell which authors have been using Linux for quite some time as opposed to last Thursday, just by how they write. - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I received a brand-new laptop on Tuesday.
Running an Intel Core Duo 2 CPU, built-in wireless and nvidia graphics card.
Aside from the card reader, which I've not really played with under any OS yet, EVERYTHING works under Ubuntu.
The only thing I did have to do was install the latest nvidia driver, just as one has to do under Windows.
It's new hardware but just works. Even suspend works (standby, like, when I shut the lid of the laptop).
So to you, sir, I say BEARD! - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@byronm: He's not writing his resume. He's writing a comment on digg. Perfect spelling and grammar isn't necessary on them there internets.
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Ubuntu is hyped, but no, actually it's comments like that that make 'real' linux users look like self absorbed, holier than thou children.
- aiten, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21Not end of story. Vista is not better than Ubuntu.
Ubuntu Linux is better for the purposes which I use it.
It's not a "better vs worse" argument. - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13As far as I know you don't NEED to install anything to burn discs in Ubuntu!
The point about burning discs wasn't about burning discs though, it was about installing software.. - rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13We Linux users are not cocky. We are just so completely happy by our choice in operating systems that we can't help but recommend it to other people.
I suffered from Windows 3.0 all the way through XP, having tested many Vista versions up to the final release. For me, Windows fails miserably. It's insecure, suffers from arbitrary limitations and many (far too many) brain-dead design-flaws that, at least once, made me have two computers - one to read e-mail (because it could be connected to the corporate network) and one to develop software (where I needed privileges company policy forbid).
Not everyone is so frustrated with the insecure, unstable and plain quirky nature of Windows and most people, probably because they never saw anything else, are very satisfied with their computers. People who only use Windows (or who tried other OSs for a couple hours and got frustrated before they could learn they way around it) will tend to see Windows Vista as the latest and greatest thing that ever happened in computing.
I have seen Unix from the outside for very long - since, maybe, the late 80s. It has kept it simple and to-the-point modular nature and yet it has evolved to a very complete desktop and server platform. I love the ways Ubuntu saves me time and gives me the ample power I need to do my job properly, much more than I could get with Windows. As a developer, I decided to trade my Visual Studio family of products for NetBeans, Eclipse, Eric, Zope/Plone, Rails and others because, together, they give me so much more than I even could imagine possible when I developed for Windows and under Windows. My work was not what it could be, but I didn't realize it because I tought that was the only way.
It's a whole new world outside waiting for people to lift their eyes away from the way they were doing their jobs.
I takes a leap of faith, but it's well worth it. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@skywake: You can install XP on a SATA drive using only a Thumbdrive with the drivers? I do fault Microsoft for not providing SATA drivers on the XP CD, but since XP came out a good 2 years before SATA became popular, I can't really fault them much. Providing drivers for a technology that isn't popular is counter-productive. It'd be like Vista having the drivers for the PhysX card on the DVD (it might, I don't know... but it doesn't make much business sense). Aside from the SATA issue, I can't fault Microsoft for not providing drivers for 3rd-party hardware. Asking them to do that is unrealistic.
Yes, Ubuntu has tons of drivers, but if you want to do any kind of customization for how the hardware works (I'm thinking of printers, scanners, and graphics cards primarily), you'll be sitting there for a while. In Windows, you download the driver & software, and go at it. With Linux, it's a bit more complicated than that. Hell, just setting up Compiz is far more difficult than it should be, thanks to the drivers not being allowed on the CD.
One other thing I noticed... "As you notice from screen shot, it gives you the date AS WELL as the time. To me, this is a great feature because I don’t have to mess with an extra click or two." I do this in XP and Vista by expanding the taskbar to double its regular height. That gives me more space in the quick-launch bar, so I can have several apps just 1-click away, more space for open windows, and more space for taskbar icons next to the clock. - ajifans, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17You can do that in Linux, it's just that if you want to install a differenct Burning application it is really easy.
You've missed the point entirely, his example was to show the ease of installing new software, not the ease of burning CD's. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@coredump0x01: The funny thing is you would have only had to actually reboot your computer 6 times during those 4 years.
- Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Yes, thank you Braveheart.
I hate freedom so I use windows. - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The thing you people who criticise Beryl don't seem to understand is that whilst yes, there are some pointless effects that are just for fun (such as the burning windows one, which I use because I *like* it), they are not really enabled by default. Out of the box my Beryl was setup with mainly useful effects, such as an expose clone (if you've used a mac) and the 3D cube.
Usability is greatly improved, yes, but some effects you can turn on if you want just because they make it MORE ENJOYABLE to use the system. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Networking is no longer an issue in fiesty as it comes with network-manager-gnome out of the box. This program has full WPA2 support and everything needed to connect to and configure wireless. It remembers your profiles so it will connect automatically to previously connected to wireless networks. You can install network-manager-gnome in edgy, it just doesn't come by default.
Also, the last section about cost to operate is a little unfair because most people that switch to linux (by themselves) are power users in windows. Once they switch to linux, they are noobs (forgive the 12 year old language) again, and must relearn most things they know about an operating system. (where preferences are, how to install software, tips and tricks about cleaning the system, etc.) If they had grown up with linux instead of windows, then the exact opposite of what this article claims could be said.
It is unfortunate that ATI doesn't provide good linux drivers for their hardware. Hopefully after some years of linux growing in popularity they will reconsider. However, I for one will not be purchasing anything from ATI anytime soon. - linkinpark342, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10My eye twitched when I read that....
- dannuic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@snurfle
sudo actually requires the user's password to use, not the root password, but it requires root access to edit the file to give the desired user superuser access. (/etc/sudoers) - buggles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Apples and Oranges.... a side by side review....
- They're both fruit.
- They both have seeds.
- Apples are much better when deployed for Apple Pies.
- Oranges are much more difficult to get working in an Apple Pie. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"So... downloading an exe off of Tucows.com or Download.com (both of which have ratings) and double-clicking on it is "difficult"?"
Yes. You have to find the app, and you have to download and install each of these ones separately, clicking through the install procedure, selecting destination folders, etc.
Compare this to Synaptic or Add/Remove Programs in Ubuntu. Select all the programs you want to install/update. Click on "Install". Sit back and enjoy. - md4wg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I do hope you're joking.
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@michael: No, he's saying that you should use linux if you are computer savvy because it's free.
- cryptoisfun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7A huge advantage for me personally: I can run my entire linux OS on an encrypted harddrive (minus the 10mb boot partition). It took less than an hour to install and configure everything.
Now if my laptop ever gets stolen, I don't have to worry about my data being compromised, which in the age of phishing attacks and identity theft, is not uncommon. So yeah, until another OS supports this feature, I will continue to use linux (Ubuntu). - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@mmischke
If you use a Mac you have realized that freedom is never free :) - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've had people telling me I've got to learn their way, which tends to involve working from the commandline UPWARDS.
Bollocks to that.
I start at the top to get a feel for the OS and then try more advanced stuff.
Works for me! Now I run three linux laptops and several machines in our office, including an intranet server on linux.
My newest laptop runs Beryl too and so performs beautifully AND looks the *****, so to speak. - rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@byronm,
Please...
Unix-likes have dedicated geeks hanging around IRC channels. Windows has fanboys exercising leetspeak on forums. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@skywake, if MS could foresee the future Bill Gates would be even richer than today.
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