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- ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The big red box in the top right corner of ubuntu.com has a link to it (it is officially "Ubuntu 7.04"). Or go here: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta
It's still beta, it may burn down your house and steal your wife. - Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18My bcm4309 wireless card finally works natively!
Anybody with a bcm43xx card can download and run bcm43xx-fwcutter (its in the repos). I did this, rebooted, and everything worked flawlessly. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Ubuntu has always supported encryption. Right now my laptop is working off WPA-PSK. The major change for Feisty is the use of the new 802.11 stack. This stack will be stable for some time so we should see a few issues improve (sometimes wireless can be intermittent, this should solve that).
- serpentskiss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Might finally get round to downloading this. Wireless is my only drawback with KUbuntu - I can only connect unencrypted, which is useless (WEP just won't work and WPA is a pain to set up. The HOWTO was 7 pages long, and I'm no n00b but my reaction was "can't be bothered)
When things like this get sorted out in Ubuntu, it will finally make it a serious desktop contender - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well in this category you see, nearly all articles are about Linux for some reason. Perhaps it's because it is titled the Linux/Unix section. You can always block it and all those Linux articles will disappear.
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@coredump0x01
Ubuntu will run on a lot lower specs than that. You probably won't want to run Gnome or KDE in that case, but there are a plethora of other WM/DE's that can be installed and booted into pretty easily.
No need to run DSL because Ubuntu + Gnome doesn't work well. - walugi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Do you guys think installing the upcoming Ubuntu onto an old lappy would be a good idea? I'm considering getting one of those 500 buck laptops and just banging on Ubuntu or Fedora to do some light java coding, word processing etc.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No it can be done via NetworkManager. wpa_supplicant is a superior solution (in terms of what you can do with it) but NetworkManager works fine.
- Smuuv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm loving this new version. For the first time, wireless with WPA enabled worked with no effort on my part. I'm anxiously awaiting the final release.
- krasmussen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Give NetworkManager (http://gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ ) a try. It has WEP and WPA support out of the box, could be used by my dead grandmother and setup is as easy as sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome and logging in and out.
- mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Most of your problems with the bcm43xx come from the fact that the current driver is using 3.x.x series firmware which is incredibly old and was buggy even on windows.
The stable bcm43xx driver and bcm43xx-fwcutter that are in ubuntu repos are designed for 3.x.x firmware, whereas the current stable windows driver is 4.4.x.x . Obviously there have been LOTS of improvements in the firmware itself, which is common to both ndiswrapper/windows, and bcm43xx. Once the new dscape stack and newer bcm43xx drivers are in use, you should be able to use the 4.4.x.x series of firmware and the wifi will perform much better.
In any case ndiswrapper solves most problems, the only thing it cant do is monitor mode and packet injection which is way outside the scope of ubuntu in the first place, and the windows drivers don't support them anyway. I have had no problem unloading ndiswrapper and loading bcm43xx to do monitor mode, and switching right back again afterward, for now thats a total solution but isnt easy for sure. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You should read the article before commenting. Feisty Fawn comes with a restricted module manager *and* Network Manager. NM does exactly what you're talking about, so according to your own logic they *should* make that next release.
In other words, the distro is *not* leaving out such basic functionality.
Of course, if you use a WiFi card with proprietary drivers, it might require you to actually install the OS (and not just run it from the LiveCD) so the restricted module manager can be used. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5ATI cards are notoriously unfriendly to Linux. But lucky for you, the X300 has 3D acceleration support from the open source ATI driver which supports AIGLX (no need for XGL). This might be helpful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389857&highlight=ati+open+source+driver
- ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It does this. _If_ you have a supported wireless card. If you don't you need to complain to the people who made your card and saw fit not to support Linux. There is really only so much the linux devs can do if hardware manufacturers won't make drivers for their hardware.
- JrGhoull, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"It's extremely easy to activate your Nvidia or ATI video driver with the brand new Restricted Drivers Manager, a tool that pops up in the system tray when on your first login, letting you know that the computer can function properly if you activate "unsupported" drivers. Basically, with a single click, you will install the proper driver for your video card."
holy *****? - ordminute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't know, OS X has enough other disadvantages to keep people coming back to Linux. I switched around 6 months ago from Tiger to Ubuntu, and to be honest, the network performance of Ubuntu is much better. OS X also seemed to drop my wifi connection often, whereas Ubuntu (Edgy at least) holds onto it.
Lack of customiseability and paid upgrades aside, OS X is a fine operating system, but it's performance vs Ubuntu on the same hardware is pretty terrible across most fronts. - generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The (new) devicescape wireless stack does support draft N. That's the whole point of it, it unifies everything.
- Disease, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Linux Mint worked flawlessly with my WPA
- mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I like my house but can i get some kind of guarantee on the 2nd part?
- nrbelex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The WPA support in Ubuntu is not perfect. I'm at a major university with some pretty strict rules on connecting wirelessly and lacking the ability to use specific certificates and protocols kills the option of wireless Linux computers here. It seems really difficult to get PEAP functioning on Ubuntu and there are no options for picking specific certificates. As much as I'd love to go 100% Linux, that's sort of a deal breaker for me.
- Xorsist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6its always ubuntu season on digg, havnt you noticed that?
- DuckButtah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Auzy, I think the one big point you're missing here, and this is where the innovation comes in, is that these steps are being made in the open-source community.
Yes Windows and OSX are leaps ahead of Linux in the area of wireless computing, but wireless technology is still dominated by proprietary chipsets. You pay for Windows and OSX, Ubuntu is free.
Making steps towards wider compatibility in open-source SW is innovation, even if those steps don't put Ubuntu on the cutting-edge. - coopa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've tried ubuntu (and a few distros before it) and the only thing that kept bringing me back was support for my wireless on my desktop. Due to my situation i couldn't afford to get a new compatible card and ndiswrapper never seemed to work for my chipset. I went through forums, IRC and tutorials and nothing could get it working.
I'm going to try again soon as i have recently changed my wireless card and i beleive there is much more support 'out of the box' than before. - 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not if it simply doesn't work. Ubuntu works brilliantly on my desktop (I have a wireless bridge), but having tried it on my laptop, not so well. In Edgy it saw I had a wireless device, but wouldn't let me enable it. I tried various fixes, including wrapper and using static IPs instead of DHCP, to no avail. Same basic thing happens in Feisty, except that the interface that tells me of the failure is prettier. Network Manager sees a wireless device, even recognises what it is, but it won't pick up my wireless, and if I do manual static it enables, connects, then seconds later disables itself. I'm not using a particularly old or obscure laptop, either.
Wireless support in Linux has a hell of a long way to go. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You are complaining that the LiveCD Installer Combo ( something that does not even exist on WIndows or OSx ) does not allow you to use WPA ( I don't know about Ubuntu but every distro I have tried to use WPA on from the liveCD has had it, for a few years now at least ) without installing anything. Honestly, WTF? Show me a bartPE disk that detects and loads drivers for ALL your hardware then installs the system to your ***** computer in about 10 minutes while you surf digg from firefox!
You have some mighty high expectations of your OS. Please call me when you find an operating system that actually fulfills them because I will switch to it in a heartbeat.
Install the ***** OS to your computer, install network-manager-gnome and stop ***** complaining! - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Network Manager sees a wireless device, even recognises what it is, but it won't pick up my wireless, and if I do manual static it enables, connects, then seconds later disables itself. I'm not using a particularly old or obscure laptop, either."
Try Linuxant's Driverloader:
http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/?PHPSESSID=802033e39ae6c9651149dc6f3a55fee1 - dystopianray, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Ubuntu and Kubuntu 7.04 have network-manager setup by default, connecting to any wifi network including WPA encrypted ones is as simple as a couple of clicks and typing in the password.
- chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2About time Linux got easy wireless support. It is what stopped me dead in my tracks two years ago when I tried to setup my laptop with Linux. After 2 days of trying to get the wireless drivers to work, I gave up and went back to Windows until I switched permanently to OS X.
I will definitely keep Linux in mind if/when I decide to get a second computer up and running. I run Ubuntu in Parallels and it is definitely the finest of the Linux distributions. I just use it to learn Linux, since OS X does what I need. - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I need PEAP to access the Internet at my school too so I hear ya.
- kevincupp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Excellent, Dapper had some problems with my Thinkpad T60's 3945, glad to see they're going to have better support.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The new stack is coming in. This means we have the infrastructure in place to easily move to n.
For now abg is more than enough in any case. Does anyone seriously send more than 54MBit/s over their wireless. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This has been possible for a _long_ time, the only difference is that in Feisty when you install fwcutter it asks you if you if you want to download and install the firmware whereas before you has actually had to USE the program after you installed it :)
A little wiki'ing can go a long when, but then again so can a little tweak in usability. Oh well, at least your card is working, and that is all that really matters. - imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Exactly. Granted, it's still beta, but in my experience, Ubuntu's wifi support has been going downhill since dapper. In Dapper, everything worked fine. In Edgy I could no longer browse wireless networks. It was a confirmed bug, but nothing ever happened to it. Now none of the GUI tools will work at all, I can only get on with some command line fiddling.
- EdLesMann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Really??
Would you please post exactly what you did or where you got your info? I have one of those cards and several months ago when I set up my Ubuntu system, I never got it working right. I eventually used ndiswrapper but it likes to turn itself off quite randomly. I would really like to use a better driver set.
Guess it is time to hit google for more info.
Thanks for the heads up. - amphora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use Ubuntu 07.04 Feisty on a HP Pavilion ze1230. This notebook has an AMD Athlon 1400+ and 256MB of RAM. I use an SMC 2532W-B 802.11b card with an external 5dB antenna. It runs great.
I found both Gnome and KDE too slow on this machine. I now use Fluxbox but I added the gnome-volume-manager to handle hotplugging of USB drives and the Gnome network manager to make wireless roaming easy. All I had to do was add the following two lines to my ~/.fluxbox/startup file:
gnome-volume-manager &
nm-applet &
When I first installed fluxbox the application menu was not populated with anything. I had to enable and run the command fluxbox-generate_menu which you can read about here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2293239. Ubuntu + Fluxbox isn't for the average home user, to be sure, but it works just great for me.
This machine rarely swaps now. I use this machine for running the Eclipse IDE, server side Java and MySQL development. I also generally run Firefox, GAIM (until I switch to something else) and mplayer (with no GUI). I'm going to upgrade the RAM next month to 768MB but I plan to continue running Fluxbox. - mancubus220, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's what I did. The two important things to consider are the wireless card (anything but broadcom) and video card (anything but ati). If you can get around those two, than i'd say def go for it.
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What wireless card do you have ?
- ShadowBadtz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have Edgy Fit running flawlessly on my Alienware Lappy... It does not have a built in wireless, but it sees and uses both of my wireless cards with no tweaking... One is an old dell Truemobile 1150 (orinco card).. the other is a newer netgear wg511T....
- lindapuzhgena, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not very clever post, but... Seems to be vain for me... http://fishtalks.blogspot.com
- manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Edgy Fit"? Do you mean "Edgy Eft"? Don't mean to be picky, it's just a mistake I haven't seen elsewhere before. Or is there some "Edgy Fit" I'm unaware of?
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WPA (personal and enterprise) is built in now. feisty ships with network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
For instructions on how to use fwcutter, but in fact those instructions make it harder than it needs to be, really all you should have to do is install fwcutter and then run "/usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh" ( I am not sure if I have the path correct for that as I am using Feisty and it is different ) - inactive, on 02/24/2008, -0/+0Thanks very nice
http://www.oyunambari.com
http://www.oyunambari.com/hile.php - poxoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Ummm... I can't open the link.
- blade4246, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0thanks Blazier, downloaded bcm43xx-fwcutter, it works like charm.
http://www.k-netsystems.net - Sleepsure, on 06/30/2008, -0/+0I don't rate IBM's at all, had one and will never use them again
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