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Why you want a Linux Live CD

news.cnet.com — For the most part, on this blog, I try to convince readers to do something defensive on their computers - like a parent nagging a child to eat their vegetables. Only once have I put my foot down, so to speak, saying unequivocally last year that all Windows XP users

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  • TheWindBlows, on 07/12/2008, -7/+35"You can set them loose on Firefox running off a Live CD and be 100% sure they won't screw up the installed copy of Windows in any way, shape or form."

    Yeah....about that....
    • blinky04, on 07/13/2008, -0/+13Yes? I'm listening?
      • 321george, on 07/13/2008, -2/+6sudo rm-rf
      • Joh739, on 07/13/2008, -1/+7It is still possible to screw up your os on the hard drive in the live cd, because one can mount a partition and read and write on it, also delete every thing, also the gnome partition editor has unlimited access to the hard drive.(What would a kid to with this?)

        The best way to prevent this is to just pull out the IDE cable of the hard disk.
      • Smegzor, on 07/13/2008, -1/+2That sudo command is going to do absolutely nothing. The host file system is read only remember?
        Granted if your little snowflakes knows enough to mount them read/write all bets are off, but I'm talking about your little snowflakes not mine.
    • sporg, on 07/13/2008, -16/+5I have two Linux CDs and they both make great coasters.
      • nmnnotmyname, on 07/13/2008, -1/+14Yeah, you never have to use them again once it's installed because of the update system.
      • thecheatah, on 07/13/2008, -0/+6So, you do network installs?
      • traichea, on 07/13/2008, -3/+0CD-RW FTW!!
    • DestroyFascism, on 07/13/2008, -9/+4Computer -> Files -> WINDOWS

      /Delete....

      ooops...

      Live CD = Garbage empties on exit...
  • DeathGod321, on 07/13/2008, -15/+27Bart's Preinstalled Environment (BartPE) bootable live windows CD/DVD
    http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
    (I used this a few years back, so I don't know if there is anythign newer.)

    Buried for typical cnet spam. They could atleast do a two second google search before writing an entire article.
    • microchp, on 07/13/2008, -2/+4Agreed. My response was going to be about the same but you beat me to it. I have run Linux and Windows from ram for years. It is a great to way use an untrusted system without altering their installs.
    • ThaDRD, on 07/13/2008, -8/+1BartPE+XPE owns and is completely customizable. It's Windows on a CD/DVD. This article sucks.
    • korvins, on 07/13/2008, -2/+8Windows alternative is mentioned on the article, so I think you should spend two seconds reading the article before making this stupid comment.

      Plus, why do you need to do all those steps with BartPE? If you only want to recover some files, and test the net there is no point in doing that. For using BartPE you need a valid license (200$), you need a running windows installation, build the liveCD (wtf?), and at least do up to 8 non-trivial steps. In the opposite, you simply put the liveCD, and restart.

      You are not going to play Crysis, simply recover the files and exit. Plus I can tell you that can do much more with a Linux Live CD, than with Windows without anything installed on it (you can use paint, true). It is crazy when people thinks that a computer without Windows can do nothing. You should open your mind a bit and the advantages and disadvantages of each.
    • blooby, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3In the article it does mention Ultimate Boot CD for Windows at the bottom. Has this been recently added or didn't you RTFA?
    • korvins, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4Plus, with BartPE, you will have no partitioning program, no way to open docs... and I wonder how you can connect to the net (not to talk about proper screen resolution and other periphericals), given that windows Xp does not have drivers on it?

      It has happened to me several times... After doing a thousand "intelligent" wizards on windows I could not connect to the net. I rebooted with Knoppix or Ubuntu LiveCD and I had network straight away... So I asked myself: what are those wizards really doing?
      • antdude, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2And slow.
      • ThaDRD, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1BartPE has a steep learning curve, that I won't deny. You have to compile it up with the drivers for the hardware you will use it on. Further, you have to load it with the programs to do the things you wish to accomplish like reading Word docs.
      • Smegzor, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1Well thats just wizard.
    • Genma, on 07/13/2008, -1/+3I use both bartpe and gparted+clonezilla live cd, two best all purpose solutions for both camps imo. there are situations where one or the other might be more useful, and both have made things alot easier than they could have been in many cases. either of which can also be thrown onto some sort of usb key, very convenient.

      he kind of shrugged off the windows solution in the article as if it was complicated or inconvenient in some way to do it, inferior or otherwise not as good. the idea is just to use the best tool for the problem so the obvious bias is annoying. there are of course some things you could do with bart or ubcd that you wouldn't be able to do in a linux env.
    • coolme, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1Linux is the way to go for persistent changes, you can't do that with BartPE
    • Smegzor, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1I tried that once and compared to the linux live cd's of the time it was complete rubbish.
      Nice attempt though.
  • likwidtek, on 07/13/2008, -0/+40Live CDs are pretty sweet for snooping too. :)
    • joshualamgroup, on 07/13/2008, -0/+9BackTrack distro!
    • DestroyFascism, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2It open protected drives from Compaq. I managed to slipstream Sp3 into a friends Compaq XP (original) image and from there load and boot from it.
      • zwaldowski, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3So, wouldn't that be the recovery system if it was "protected" in Windows? Yay, you just slipstreamed over crapware!
    • trippledigger, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1I have just participated in that activity :)
  • JaphMalik, on 07/13/2008, -2/+2It's also nice when a Live CD allows the user the ability to remake the ISO image while running from the CD so you can update the image.
    • neko, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1It is nice, although AFAIK only Puppy can do that, and maybe Morphix, haven't looked at it in a while.
    • JaphMalik, on 07/13/2008, -0/+0There's one I found called GoblinX. It's the only one I know of and it seems nice.
  • MuffinFlavored, on 07/13/2008, -6/+59So, I should use Linux, only to fix Windows?
    Thanks CNet.
    • thecheatah, on 07/13/2008, -0/+8Linux is a tool. Use it for whatever!
      • Smegzor, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Don't be a tool, use Linux! Oh wait..
  • twiztidsinz, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2There was an article on Digg a while back (might have been a LifeHacker with an external link to a blog).. the story had a CD Bootdisk that had a ton of tools and stuff on it used to repair, fix and tinker with preinstalled OS using the LiveCD. By the time I read the article, the download link was dead..

    Anyone have an idea as to what it was called? and/or where I can get it?
  • JoCoProductions, on 07/13/2008, -1/+8I am actually booted off the liveCD right now believe it or not because my new hard drive is being stubborn when installing XP because it doesn't have the SATA drivers. It's extremely convenient to be able to boot into essentially a full operating system, partition my hard drive and search for some help using firefox off of just a cd that requires no drivers and no nonsense.

    The only downside is no flash is built into firefox under Ubuntu's liveCD and you cannot download it since you are not booted off the HD. Oh well...
    • ohmysac, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4There are plenty of other livecd distros that include flash. Many are Ubuntu based. Linux Mint comes to mind.
    • Peterix, on 07/13/2008, -0/+5Well, on most liveCDs you actually can do that. Just start the package manager and do it. Every program installed that way requires some RAM though.
    • thecheatah, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4if your running ubuntu, you can still download and install packages. In ubuntu, install the flashplugin-nonfree package. You will be able to use flash off of the live cd (it will download the flash). You can actually install ANY package as long as it doesnt require a restart (none, besides kernel updates do).
    • explodingzebras, on 07/13/2008, -0/+0try kiwi linux - basically a tweaked ubuntu cd with dvd playing, flash and all the restricted extras out-the-box.
    • MattBD, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1Try using Remastersys with an existing Ubuntu install - you can use it to create a live CD or DVD with everything you've installed, so if you have added flash and multimedia codecs, for instance, they'll be on the disc.
      Link:
      http://www.remastersys.klikit-linux.com/
  • linuxeventually, on 07/13/2008, -0/+14Knoppix and Puppy Linux FTW. I keep the latter on my thumbdrive connected to my retractable keychain utility belt.
    • PaulRay, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1I was going to mention Knoppix, but you out Geeked me. :o)
      It's really more robust than anything else I've seen. I've save more than a few lost Windows users with Knoppix.
      They always look confused like,"How can such magic happen without an operating system?" LOL!
      I haven't messed with Puppy Linux yet. Advice linuxeventually?
    • Smegzor, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Damn those utility belts are useful! Just the thing when caught in a tight spot against some badass Windows users.
  • wukillabee, on 07/13/2008, -11/+4quit hatin on windows xp, its the best
    • c010rb1indusa, on 07/13/2008, -8/+2I rather run OS X Panther, then run Windows XP.
      • nmnnotmyname, on 07/13/2008, -3/+2.......
        OS X is so crippling. It's not the OS, It's the GUI. It's ***** mindraping how they could manage to make a GUI with more annoying features than GTKs Save Dialog but they've done it with OS X.

        Windows XP, on the other hand, has one of my fav. GUIs ever but the OS just begins to deteriorate after a while and virii and worms just kill it. (Though it's not as much a problem with service packs, it can still happen.) The only thing i can think to make XP better is fixing cmd.exe. In other words, getting rid of it and copying off of BASH :P Seriously, they already copied off of GTK file dialogs in Vista (but with the original Windows fileview pane making it reasonable to use) why not terminals? And no, powershell, that utter crap .NET bloatware, does not count.
  • sirhomer, on 07/13/2008, -1/+8Here is a good distro designed specifically for system recovery: http://www.sysresccd.org/

    Here is a good security testing distro: http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html
    Backtrack comes with a ton of hacking tools.

    Interestingly enough, for partition management and data recovery from NTFS shares, any modern LiveCD will do, even Ubuntu.
  • deathfix, on 07/13/2008, -6/+16Hail, Lord Linux! Hail, Lord Linux! Forgive us, Great Lord, for our mumblings of grub and discontent; who so loved Unix that he sent his only begotten son, Torvalds, to show us the way; whose great Crons at which we can only marvel! Ye, whose glorious tar balls which we are truly unworthy to lick from thy feet; who doth set before us, the unreachable and unfathomable CUPS from which only the most holy dare drink; who did make happen, the incomprehensible Nvidia display appear across the wondrous heavens of GUI.

    Yet, we know Lord, in times of doubt that thou sendest thine daemons to try and test our knowledge and we know that if we only had faith the size of the Kernel, we could say to this Gnome desktop, “Move from here to there”, and it will move. We could say to this terminal, “Be unRooted and planted in the fertile open source fields”, and it would obey and nothing will be impossible for us.

    Hear our pleas, O Lord, and forgive us our incoherent yums as we forgive our drivers. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Windoze, for thine is the root:>, the acpi and the error free installation, forever, and ever. EOF.

    {…ends with much groveling and bowing in the nether regions}
  • c010rb1indusa, on 07/13/2008, -4/+3Wish my Mac could do this. But hey there are always tradeoffs when going with Cupertino.
    • WoollyMittens, on 07/13/2008, -2/+7What makes you think a linux liive-cd wouldn't work on your mac? Do you even have a mac?
    • rodrigo74, on 07/13/2008, -2/+3"But hey there are always tradeoffs when going with Cupertino"

      How gay.

      Just install one of the many virtualization options you have for the Mac, and run the Live CD from it.
  • raydeen, on 07/13/2008, -0/+5DSL 3.4 has been a life saver a number of times for me. One of my friends went surfing in the dirty shark infested corners of the net and borked Windows big time. Booted up with DSL and copied off his home folder to an external drive, formatted his HD, re-installed, copied his files back and told him NEVER NEVER NEVER use IE again.

    And Hirens is good to have around too. ;)
    • MattBD, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2I like Knoppix myself (one of the best live CD's there is). A few months back my dad's computer kept on BSOD-ing every time he booted it up - turned out the motherboard had been fried by a power surge. But it was still up to booting Knoppix, so I used that to retrieve his files from the computer and save them to a flash drive.
      He would have been in serious ***** if I'd not been able to do so as he was the executor of my gran's estate and a load of things he needed for that were on there, so it really was a lifesaver.
  • Zaggynl, on 07/13/2008, -1/+4http://www.ubcd4win.com/ can do the same and more.
    • zadadka, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1Get the executable as well, and you can create your own versions of UBCD.
      You can always get updated driver packs from http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/, so that you'll never have to press F6 or find a floppy drive again.
    • korvins, on 07/13/2008, -2/+3It is much more complicated... and it can do many less things. Have you really tried any Linux LiveCD?
      • MasterChi, on 07/13/2008, -1/+4Many less things such as? Please do list and I can almost guarantee i can recover Windows with the same or similar utilities. Everything from all sorts of hardware tests, file recovery, wireless networking (yes one thing that even full blown linux has trouble with we can do in a windows live cd), partitioning, cmos password reset, windows password reset or recover, vnc, and so much more.
      • vertexoflife, on 07/13/2008, -3/+1If you don't know what you need to do and need the internet to search or even fo find drivers, LiveCD's offer that.
  • WoollyMittens, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3I've given up on helping people with their trojans and exploits. You spend hours rescuing their precious files, but however much you warn them to use firefox and antivirus software, the first thing they do is return to Internet Explorer and opening "funny" executables.
    • bootup, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3That is why you charge them $200 per incident-and then just backup documents and settings and reinstall MS Windows.
      • sethorama99, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Seriously. Dumb people = money for the smart.
  • Pacificblue, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1Live CD and similar are great in many ways. I used WUBI(Windows Based Ubuntu Installer) to try out ubuntu without the need to create any linux partition, recommended to many of my friends and they also loved it!
    Now, they also took some course on Solaris alongwith, now have its Live DVD too..

    Summary :: Live CD/DVD are cool and M$ alternative are must try!
  • NinjaNato, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Ubuntu version 6.06?
    • Pacificblue, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1I used Wubi 7.04 then.
    • jabiggs3, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Not sure I understand the question... Ubuntu 6.06 is also called "Dapper Drake" and was released in June '06. The version numbers correspond to the release date: y.mm --> y = year, mm = month
      • NinjaNato, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Oh ok, that makes sense.. I thought it was only every 6 months on either April (.04) or October (.10).
    • DestroyFascism, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1I guess what the answer would be is the article is nearly 3 years old?
    • dustin32, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1"Ubuntu, for example, introduced the ability to install onto the hard disk from the Live CD in version 6.06." RTA much?
  • blinky04, on 07/13/2008, -5/+2Why you want a live CD: They have an "Install to disk" function.

    :P
    • MattBD, on 07/13/2008, -1/+2Well, you've got to check that distro works OK on the hardware first, haven't you?
      • blinky04, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1I wasn't being sarcastic, and that wasn't a question.
  • mynameistux, on 07/13/2008, -4/+4I know someone who uses vista (shudder) and they have an ubuntu partition for if, no, when it breaks.
    • PaulRay, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1My Girlfriend's Vista broke for the 4th and last time, I dropped a handy copy of ubuntu 8.04 into her laptop, recovered most of her files (The ones that the "Vista Recovery" program didn't bork). I then talked her into letting me install ubuntu as a dual boot. She hasn't gone back and now brags about the cool things she can do that she couldn't do with Vista. Hee Hee! I'm so proud.
  • korvins, on 07/13/2008, -1/+3A friend of mine was doing network repairs to regular customers, and he could never go without the live CD. Customers tipically complained the net was broken.

    Then Linux Live CD would boot up immediately and be able to browse the web in seconds. Then he could blame customer's bloated and infected Windows for that, and charge them 50 Euros for calling the service without need. He was not a Linux user, nor the customers he visited, and that is why Live CD is wonderfull.
    • thecheatah, on 07/13/2008, -6/+1ur getting dugg down, because windows is "god" to some people. But if you have to deal with people who keep ***** up there windows install, its just aggravating. Today I have to go "fix" my cuz's internet. It wont work in windows and he doesnt like linux, but it works fine under linux. That windows install is infested with viruses. the process manager doesnt stay opened for more then a split second before some virus shuts it down.

      MAn that makes me mad. making me waist my ***** time, just because you refuse to learn something thats actually beneficial to you. Instead of taking time to learn something new, there going to waist my time.

      If you want to use windows, manage it yourself. Dont ***** ask me for helpasdfasdlkfjlasdf


      ***** ALL YOU WINDOWS LOVING DIGGERS.
      • stotty, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1Wow man, learn how to say "no" when asked to support Windows if it bothers you that much. Don't give yourself a heart-attack over it, it's not worth it!

        Anger management anyone?
  • jabiggs3, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2Enjoyed this article! Well done, Michael Horowitz. Excellent advice. An additional option to note is that it is possible to run Linux directly off of a bootable USB drive as well. Not surprisingly, it won't run very fast. And with the emergence of cloud computing and virtual PCs, this is perhaps less novel than it was in the past - but I think it's pretty cool nonetheless. Not necessarily something for a new Linux user, but it doesn't take very long to learn enough about Linux to follow the plethora of online guides available on the subject (not to mention, the exercise offers yet another opportunity to learn more about the OS).

  • JorgeGT, on 07/13/2008, -1/+2There's another use of live CDs beside booting: virtualization. I'm a windows user but I'd like to be able to have a linux distro running in a virtual pc. I am able to do so with damn small linux live CD, but when I try ubuntu (last version) virtual pc just dies after I choose "boot form CD" option. Is there any way to fix this? or could antone recommend another distro similar to ubuntu (a full desktop + basic utils pack) that they know runs on virtual pc?
    • Plotinus, on 07/13/2008, -3/+2I dugg you down JorgeGT but I'd like to tell you why. Running a virtual linux box on windows is, quite frankly, bizarre. Run a virtual windows box on linux. It'll work smoother.
    • doldr, on 07/13/2008, -1/+1If something runs on real hardware but not on your "virtual pc" software then it's pretty much by definition your software that is broken. That said, you could try Fedora or Suse/Novell instead of ubuntu.
    • explodingzebras, on 07/13/2008, -0/+2IMHO VirtualBox is much more configurable and flexible than Microsoft's (bought from Connectix) Virtual PC. VMware is good too but nor entirely free. I use Virtualbox on ubuntu to run XP, and also VMware to run Mac OSX, which I can't get working in virtualbox.
      • MattBD, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1Seconded. I use VirtualBox on Windows to try out new distros, as well as having a separate Kubuntu laptop. It's really easy to use and flexible.
      • JorgeGT, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Thanks for the reply, I should have added that I use Virtual Pc because it's free.
  • duder, on 07/13/2008, -0/+4live cd? hell, why not a dvd full of them...

    http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-det ...
  • sethorama99, on 07/13/2008, -1/+7Frampton Comes Alive is my favorite live CD of all time.
  • neko, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3Live CDs really show off Linux's strength. And the interesting thing I find is, the reason Live environments can work so well is something which often gets a lot of criticism: the Unix filesystem layout.

    Every now and again, I'll see some comment along the lines of "Waaah, /bin, /usr, /lib, /etc, /tmp, /var, this is all too confusing, why can't I just install everything to the first hard drive which is conveniently called C". Okay, that was exaggerated. You get the idea. The thing is, separating a package into the components which are executable, the shared libraries it needs, the configuration files and so on means that you can structure your LiveCD so that most things are read-only. The only places you might need to write to at run-time are /tmp, /etc, and /var (well, maybe /home, but symlinks can save you trouble here..), and these can go on a tmpfs when booting off CD.

    Doing the same thing for windows programs is much harder as they don't have an existing convention on what should be writable and what shouldn't.

    Then there's that whole 'C:' thing.
  • fakeXsound, on 07/13/2008, -1/+2Just for fixing Windows? That's like driving a loaner car that's way better than yours while you own car is in the shop, then having to give it back. Lame.
  • FMVorenkamp, on 07/13/2008, -11/+0Thanks, but I don't need tp be told what I want.

    Take your Linux BS and shove it.

    Buried for Linux.
  • mikedoth, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3I wish people would help the Haiku project. An OS that could really replace Windows.
  • explodingzebras, on 07/13/2008, -4/+0buried for linux hating
  • anonymous457, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3WinPE, BartsPE, VistaPE, LiveXP, there are tons of non-linux alternatives that kick ass as well
  • freaky2k, on 07/13/2008, -0/+3I'm an avid windows user and I have carried around a linux live CD for about 5 years. They can be very, very useful when you have a problem. While linux doesn't work for me as a full OS...since I'm a gamer...it's still very usable and I love it for what it can do for me.
  • mattieohya, on 07/13/2008, -2/+0I lie to use the live CD to bypass any windows security great if you are in college and want to put gay porn all over your roommates computer just before his Girlfriend comes over.
  • MattBD, on 07/13/2008, -0/+1I've got into using Remastersys in Ubuntu lately. It makes it really easy to create a live CD/DVD based on your current install that you can take anywhere. I've got a DVD based on my Kubuntu install which I can run on any machine, and it includes all the codecs already. I've got all the applications I use on there and it's incredibly handy. You can also use it to back up your entire system. I can't recommend it highly enough.
  • rdj262, on 07/14/2008, -0/+0I didn't mean to switch to Linux....

    As an XP power user, I was happy with my exceedingly tweeked and very stable XP box. But a few weeks back, on June 30th (when MS decided to stop selling XP) I ran across an article on Digg about easily creating a dual-boot system with both XP and Linux. Since I was not too happy about the idea of having to switch to Vista in the near future, I figured I'd play around with Linux a little - just for future reference in case I still didn't want to use Vista...

    So I downloaded, burned to CD, and installed Ubuntu. The whole process was done in less than 30 minutes. Linux was SO easy and elegant (yes elegant) I couldn't believe it! Firefox 3 was the same. Open office would open my MS Office docs. Picasa managed my photos. For every bit of software I used in XP, there was a solution (often better) for Linux. The GUI can be made to look better than Vista (much cooler effects, shiny buttons, etc...) with only a few mouse clicks - and without being a strain on the system! (Linux, fully loaded, takes about 250 meg of RAM) Funny thing happened over the next few days: I found myself booting into Linux (Kubuntu) more than XP.

    As I type this, Linux has been running for four days straight. I've no desire, at all, to go back to XP.

    Linux users: Yeah - you told me so. I should have listened sooner.
  • shooooq, on 08/05/2008, -0/+0منتديات دليل مواقع منتدى قريش منتدى صور الكون شبكة اسلاميه العاب مركز تحميل تحميل صور
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