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- spritom, on 06/17/2009, -27/+61I thought Windows was the malware.
- jester55, on 06/17/2009, -11/+34I think its based on the assumption that most people use windows. If were to get a virus on my PC, I wouldn't tell my friend that I got a "windows virus." I'd say a computer virus, or just virus.
- GrammerPants, on 06/18/2009, -2/+22Correct Linux is not widely used, therefore we don't connect it to the general term of a Virus. I know every year is the year of Linux on Digg but that simply isn't the reality.
- warcin, on 06/18/2009, -0/+18When you control 90%+ of the market you become the market. Band-aid and kleenex are brands but that has become the product name since they control the lion share of the market. I am sorry but news agencies are not going to use the limited time they have for a story to hype on semantic differences like OS when for almost all of there users windows is the OS, and for those that it is not they already know the issue is windows specific
- SpruceCaboose, on 06/18/2009, -3/+18Because the NY Times is not written for the tech crowd, and people outside the tech crowd very often are running Windows and/or don't care. The tech crowd also does not really get their computer news from the NY Times.
- aserer511, on 06/18/2009, -4/+17most people just associate a computer with windows. do you think anyone has a mac in Arkansas?
- lex0429, on 06/18/2009, -0/+10As long as you can check your email, watch porn, sync your ipod with itunes and compose the occasional document nothing else matters.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 06/18/2009, -0/+8"I think its based on the assumption that most people use windows."
It's not an assumption - it's a fact. - emjaysea, on 06/18/2009, -0/+8Boo hoo hoo. What subby really means is he's still upset that Windows has the market share (and then some).
- tusseyd, on 06/18/2009, -2/+9I think the point is, if you were using a Linux or Mac, even in China, there'd be no reason for Green Dam.
- doctechnical, on 06/18/2009, -2/+8You're preaching to the choir. 99% of the people who use computers don't read Digg, and if they tried they wouldn't understand the computer articles.
The sad fact of the matter is that most people think Windows *is* the computer. I was doing tech support for a client, I had to talk him through re-booting Novell Netware. At one point I said "You should be seeing a lot of text flying by on the screen" and he replied "Yeah, it looks like The Matrix!"
The command prompt is a lost art, alas. - FlyingCaveman, on 06/18/2009, -9/+14Two reasons: Ignorance and Apathy.
- RudeTurnip, on 06/18/2009, -0/+5I would have said, "That's a screen, not a window."
- miquonranger031, on 06/18/2009, -3/+8No; there are plenty of non-Windows viruses.
- mbtria, on 06/18/2009, -5/+10While once the "paper of record", the NY Times has gone downhill over the past few decades. It now gives me the impression of being nothing more than a propaganda mill in all things. Given its severe financial problems, it is apparently most of its ex-readers and ex-advertisers feel the same way.
- inactive, on 06/18/2009, -0/+4Maybe because it's a virus that a computer gets? When you say a plant has a virus, you don't need to specify the exact species of the plant, you just say it has a plant virus. Jeez.
- illspaz, on 06/18/2009, -0/+4HIV
- ImTheDewd, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3Educated people at the New York Times? No such thing exists, they're journalists (and calling them journalists is being generous.)
- eraccusa, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3OS X (Apple) and GNU/Linux are built on the Unix principles of multi-user with privilege separation. This includes security, up front, as part of the design. While this does not make a desktop system running OS X or GNU/Linux invulnerable to 'social engineering' or trojans posing as legitimate commercial software than has been pirated (IBotNet), it does make them nearly impossible for an automated crack to succeed in taking over the system ala Microsoft Windows. The folks that were caught with iBotNet were "hoist with their own petard" in that they were breaking the licensing terms of the "pirated" software they downloaded. Oops, that illegally acquired software was loaded with a trojan. IMO, poetic justice. :)
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Mac-Vulnerabilit ... - Assad, on 06/18/2009, -1/+4So when did we start calling our computers windows ?
- I want to replace my windows' HDD for a SSD
- My windows' monitor just died
- Im buying a Octa-Core windows pretty soon - Hellahulla, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3The real question should be. Does anyone care what the NY Times says?
- crgwbr, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3Logged in just to digg this
- miquonranger031, on 06/18/2009, -2/+5You just said this on this same story. And you're completely wrong.
- ephemere, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3I'm guessing that you're one of those East/West coasters that assumes that everyone living more than 100 miles from an ocean is a backcountry illiterate. Screw all you guys. We have plenty of Linux/Mac users out here in "flyover country" (a horribly insulting term, IMO).
- nixfu, on 06/18/2009, -0/+3Really this is NOT about Windows. This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of just what ***** quality reporting we get ON EVERYTHING from the newspapers. How can you take anything they say as the truth, at best its half-truth opinion with a few points of information that barely gives you any idea what the real idea is anyway.
Reporters have become brainless idealogs who are incapable of doing anything but mindless dibble opinion peices.
EVERYTIME I read a story in the newspaper, it is something I have already read about online, has about 1/100th of the content that I read online, and is dumbed down to below the 5th GRADE level so much it hardly even seems like the same information I read about earlier on the net somewhere.
***** the papers, they are nothing but propaganda rag sheets anymore. - LucasHenderson, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2Please, elaborate on said exploits.
- jocknerd, on 06/18/2009, -1/+3Maybe because they're built on unix design principles. Name the last unix related virus.
- inactive, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2Truer words were never spoken
- chingy1788, on 06/18/2009, -4/+6I had someone pointing to a mac and asking me... "what windows does it have"
- harlowsmonkeys, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2Huh? The purpose of Green Dam is to keep Chinese computer users from looking at things the government doesn't want them to look at, such as porn sites and anti-government sites. How does using Linux or Mac change that? As far as I know, China's policy is not that its OK to look at anti-government sites as long as you aren't running Windows! :-)
- LucasHenderson, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2As much of a fan of Linux as I am, I am neither surprised nor disappointed. That's simply the way the news, and the general public is, at the moment. Sure, it need to change, but talking about this as if it's something new, or something worth be surprised about.
tl;dr: I love linux, but I'm not going, "holy crap the sky is blue". - DangerCollie, on 06/18/2009, -1/+3Yeah and document those exploits. Because our Linux servers get scanned hundreds of times a week and, so far, no one has found a way in.
"The number of Linux desktop users is inconsequential globally. So you do not see desktop malware."
That's another big, fat Microsoft PR lie. If Linux was easy to exploit, you'd see Linux exploits as a percentage of the total. The fact that you don't see that statistical distribution is an indication that it's a tough nut to crack and hard to automate any *nix exploit.
Tool. - ostracize, on 06/18/2009, -1/+3Tech crowd or not, they can understand "Windows is not a secure operating system"
- harlowsmonkeys, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2"Windows Windows Windows"
- Eorster, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2The nytimes being too dumb to understand people can get the same story at 1000 other locations, they still expect people to sign up to see their web content, given that would anyone really expect them to understand malware and it's relation to a specific operating system?
- miquonranger031, on 06/18/2009, -2/+3Well, I have Storm Windows, but my friend just got Bay Edition, and he loves it.
- mickstephenson, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Yes but it is a little different when the discussion is about laws in China rather than the current state of your personal computer. The question of whether Macs and Linux are banned in China is an important and interesting question, one which surely Chinese law will have taken into account, but the reporting is completely failing to bring the reader this pertinent information, and instead drivels on and on about rubbish and pushes plenty of Anti-Chinese fud.
- newerakb, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2People concerned enough about viruses and malware to read an article about it...probably use Windows. So while technically this article has a point, it sounds like a nitpick to me.
If an article about the NFL refers to problems with "pro football", I'm not going to spaz out because it's unfair to arena football leagues. I know, and everyone else knows, that they mean NFL. And anyone who doesn't know, doesn't care about football enough for it to even be worth explaining it. - Frayed_Knot, on 06/19/2009, -0/+1Q: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
A: I don't know and I don't care. - bhny, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1We're talking about the New York Times (which is in NY duh) where lots of people have Macs
- umanomano, on 06/18/2009, -2/+3What a whiney little article. Who wrote this? Jan Brady?
- SpruceCaboose, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1That falls under the "don't care" bit, and if you know what you are doing, Windows can be pretty secure.
- xJimboJonesx, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2What makes anyone think that if Mac or Linux were to reign supreme that they wouldn't have similar problems to the ones windows has?
- NathanielJ, on 06/18/2009, -2/+2They often don't make the clarification that it's a Windows virus because... well, why would they? It's not important to the story. If they said "Windows virus", then this guy would probably be writing in his blog about how they don't know there are different versions of Windows since they didn't specify whether it was an XP or Vista virus.
Well, then again, he probably wouldn't, since that wouldn't be thinly-spread Linux ego-boosting crap. - gilbes, on 06/18/2009, -6/+6Why is the person who wrote this article so dumb about Linux security.
The number of Linux desktop users is inconsequential globally. So you do not see desktop malware.
Linux does have a significant chunk of the web server market, and you see Linux exploits ALL THE ***** TIME. And the damage from these exploits is significant.
Where Microsoft has marketing, Linux has propaganda. - offrdbandit, on 06/18/2009, -2/+2Why is Submitter so Dumb About Title and Language?
- CLShortFuse, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1He honestly believe Mac is more secure than Windows? He think the market share argument is fud? Has he ever heard of hacking contests?
I know Linux is great and he should be complaining about that. But, in terms of security, Mac shouldn't be mentioned. - acknotSW, on 06/18/2009, -0/+0I like it when they think the the computer is the monitor and then refer to the computer as the modem. Don't even get my started on trying to explain the difference between broken hardware and broken software or why a Microsoft OS is not the same thing as MS office.
I'm so glad I dumped most of my side jobs, I hardly ever foam at the mouth anymore while discussing IT issues. - tymme, on 06/18/2009, -2/+1iBotNet, April of this year?
Maybe because, as OP was stating, it's a lot more efficient to go after 90% of the user market vs 5%? - gilbes, on 06/18/2009, -1/+0I was unaware people were able to post on digg who did not have Internet access.
http://secunia.com/
Or dozens of other like sites. -
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