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- neowolfwitch, on 12/30/2008, -1/+46Been running Ubuntu for about three years now on several computers.
I've installed Debian a few times, especially on systems that were having issues with Ubuntu. Debian certainly has its place in the Linux world, and perhaps Ubuntu shouldn't get all the attention, but Debian isn't nearly as polished or easy to install as Ubuntu is, even though admittedly both have their problems. I feel the biggest contribution Debian has made is the APT/DEB package management system. After working with it- I dread every time I have to update one of my Red Hat servers using RPM. - Cupantae, on 12/30/2008, -7/+42Here's a solid reason why they should care:
It has a better name, and the best logo ever made. Debian was my first Linux distribution. It can be a bit troublesome, but it's rock solid. - wigren, on 12/30/2008, -7/+32FTA: "The Ubuntu Linux distribution originally emerged in 2004 as a Debian derivative under the strong leadership of South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth."
The usual oomfoofoo bs. Buried. - motang, on 12/30/2008, -2/+25Debian is very good and solid distro that I use for servers, but for my everyday use Ubuntu is my choice.
- xfile087, on 12/30/2008, -1/+23Because they should switch to Ubuntu?
- Paranoidmarvin, on 12/30/2008, -1/+20Because a happy penguin is a caring penguin
- stix213, on 12/30/2008, -0/+19"When I was taking a ***** an Ubuntu came out."
But doesn't the pain of Microsoft/Apple going in feel much worse? They make my ass hurt - creepermclurker, on 12/30/2008, -0/+18What's you're issue surfing the web with Ubuntu?
I had a laptop hard drive go out and for 6 months I ran Ubuntu of the boot CD.
Left it plugged in and running for the six months, running updates, installing apps, surfing the net with no hard drive and never rebooting. Files I wanted to save I copied to a flash drive.
When I finally got a hard drive (would have gotten one sooner but didn't really need it) I installed it and installed Ubuntu.
I've been a happy user ever since. One of the more impressive things I've ever experienced regarding an OS.
Sold. - rowjimmy, on 12/30/2008, -1/+19"Debian is a quirky and inconsistent distribution because everything is designed by committee. The committees are made up of grumpy and argumentative programmers that care less about the functionality of the OS and more about egos and pecking order."
Whoa. While one can certainly take issue with the production architecture with Debian, nobody who has used the distro would call it "quirky and inconsistent"; i've found it to be one of the most solid distros for servers, bar none. - TheZorch, on 12/30/2008, -2/+18It was an Ars article typo not some fanboy talking before thinking. The ones I consider the "true" Fanboys are the ones who accuse others of being fanboys to justify ignoring the truth.
- rowjimmy, on 12/30/2008, -1/+16debian, though i haven't used it on a desktop in 5+ years, is probably my favorite *nix distro. highly recommend it for anybody who wants a rock solid server rack.
- jellygraph, on 12/30/2008, -2/+17oomfoofoo: A typo in an article does not make it "The usual ubuntu bs". That's why you are buried. You are a troll.
- CaptObvious, on 12/31/2008, -0/+14And the best part is, you never really 'bought' anything you were 'sold' on.
- rowjimmy, on 12/30/2008, -0/+14protip - adults & professionals primarily use their computers for work, research, communication, etc - not to play video games.
- raphaeltmnt, on 12/30/2008, -2/+16To be honest, I've never used Linux. Perhaps I should. Anyone know a good beginner's guide?
- MavRevMatt, on 12/30/2008, -3/+16Alright, let me know how malware and virus ridden Windows works out for you.
- MattFromSeattle, on 12/30/2008, -0/+13Point goes to stix213.
- watcht, on 12/30/2008, -1/+14Archlinux should get a mention too ;p
- neowolfwitch, on 12/30/2008, -5/+17Yes, and Windows doesn't. I'm sure your computer is wasting half its CPU cycles and memory on anti-virus, anti-spyware and anti-adware software, while most of the rest is driving a *****-worthless GUI that takes a dozen mouse-clicks to do anything practical. (Oh- but it's so pretty though!)
You just keep giving your money to Microsoft. They need fanboys like you to keep telling everyone that Linux "sucks" just because you couldn't figure out how to install it. - jbmckee, on 12/30/2008, -1/+13What in the heck are you talking about? Ubuntu is a large and helpful community. Ubuntu has brought Linux to the attention of far more mainstream users.
- jellygraph, on 12/30/2008, -0/+12davidkeithjones: Thank you for your verbal haemorrhoid. Please use your brain a little more before posting comments.
- stix213, on 12/30/2008, -2/+14While I believe it is important for as much cooperation as possible between Debian and Ubuntu, Ian Murdock has always struck me as being way too concerned that Debian remain Debian and all Debian based distros conform to them - with little concern for doing anything to assist those distros beyond providing the Debian source.
If Ubuntu and Debian had a similar size and makeup of their userbase then I think Ian has a point, but Ubuntu has become a runaway success on the desktop BECAUSE of what they are doing differently than Debian... so maybe the Debian folks should try to learn from Ubuntu's success and take a look inward to see where they are messing up.
I run Ubuntu on my machines, but not because it is another Debian. - inactive, on 12/30/2008, -4/+15Debian owns.
- djbon2112, on 12/31/2008, -2/+12I've had nothing but problems EVERY time I've tried to use an RPM-based distro on a server. EVERY time. APT/DEB really does "just work". apt-get install <appname> will work in 90% of the cases, and in the rest, you just add a version to the end! Brilliant.
- wigren, on 12/30/2008, -1/+11http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubun ...
You will love Ubuntu as long as you're not afraid of the command line. Try to understand the syntax of it. Even if you only have to use it to get your self out of trouble, you wont regret it. - inactive, on 12/30/2008, -1/+11I have tried Debian, and it was fine. However, I still stick mainly to Ubuntu, due to its willingness to work with proprietary drivers, when necessary.
Also, I just have to say this, to raise awareness: Ubuntu is pronounced oo-boon-too. Not oo-bun-too. - inactive, on 12/30/2008, -1/+11actually, now days with ubuntu you can do everything you need without the command line. not so much for the other distros. also if you are feeling timid about linux try wubuntu - it is ubuntu inside of windows that you can boot into.
- MavRevMatt, on 12/31/2008, -1/+10Uh huh, except one of the reasons for extreme amounts of malware on Windows is just because of the architecture of the OS.
- stargatesteve, on 12/31/2008, -0/+9Debian also created a strict set of rules about how software should be arranged on the system. The point of Debian is to give you the software, without too much unnecessary modification. Most distros will change things, even as insignificant as menu orders, but debian will not. They give you the tools, and leave you to do the rest.
- inactive, on 12/31/2008, -0/+8It's good to see debian getting some respect.
- deadbaby, on 12/30/2008, -3/+11Ubuntu users really shouldn't care what happens behind the scenes. It's an operating system, not a cult.
- cmost, on 12/31/2008, -0/+8Finally!!! Someone said it! I've been a long time Debian user and supporter and I find that it's far and away better for my needs than Ubuntu. (Please, no flames...I said MY needs.) It's a shame that so many people run around like their hair is on fire extolling the virtues of Ubuntu while forgetting that it gets many of its strengths from the Debian project. Anyone who likes Ubuntu but finds it lacking should definitely try Debian. It's rock solid, stable, and allows true rolling updates. Enjoy Debian!
- ThantiK, on 12/30/2008, -0/+8This is just about the most messed up article I've seen. How about we quit giving people attention for articles which pit "zomg my distro is better than your distro" and just say "It's Linux" and focus on universal tools that can be included in ANY distro to make *EVERYBODYs* linux experience better?
The beauty of linux is that you can pick and chose what fits you best. And if your STILL not happy with what is out there, you have the freedom...(yes, FREEDOM!) to put together your OWN system with exactly what you want.
Quit squabbling over Debian vs Ubuntu vs ArchLinux vs Suse vs Mandrake vs Puppy vs DSL vs...yeah, the list goes on. Unfortunately that's what stagnates the community more than it helps. If programmers quit arguing which is better and why and instead, just built it - we'd all just have that 1 more option to chose from to make our linux perfect for US. - Treshnell, on 12/30/2008, -0/+8Identity thief!
-The real T - newwatch51, on 12/31/2008, -0/+7How could Debian be any easier to install? You answer the questions the installer asks, then you apt-get the programs you want.
- sx66gns, on 12/31/2008, -0/+7In the not to distant future , MS will be charging on a per use basis , then you'll care and we won't.
- bhalo05, on 12/31/2008, -0/+7Are you sure? ;-)
- mrBitch, on 12/31/2008, -0/+7@MavRevMatt RE: "... one of the reasons for extreme amounts of malware on Windows is just because of the architecture of the OS."
Correct, and this is where the Windows fanboy argument of "just wait until Ubuntu gets popular" actually falls flat on it's face. - Vadi0, on 12/31/2008, -0/+6Windows releases every few years, Ubuntu releases very few months. I'd recommend to try latest version again ;)
- inactive, on 12/30/2008, -0/+6why add the "-C"? We know who you are...
-T - phrstbrn, on 12/31/2008, -0/+6Go fix it then. Nobody is stopping you.
I'm going to guess one of (or a combination of) these things happened:
1) Author of the original driver is MIA. Doesn't do open source anymore.
2) Author of the original driver doesn't use that card anymore, so he doesn't care.
3) Author of the original driver sold/lost/broke/fried his card. He bought something better to replace it.
4) Other people working for the driver project don't own the physical card themselves, and have no need to buy one. Since they are all unpaid anyways, they don't feel the urge to go and buy one to try and fix the driver. They maintain and write other drivers instead, for devices which they already own.
5) Nobody has donated any money to get this problem fixed, so OSS companies (RedHat, Novell, IBM, Canonical, etc) have no interest in fixing it. They bought wireless cards that currently work in Linux, and spend their resources fixing more general issues that affect a larger audience (instead of very, very specific hardware issues).
You get the idea. Despite being "open" and "free", NOBODY does work for OSS unless they themselves gets direct benefit out of it. You could argue "but everybody who has that card won't use Linux now". That's probably true. But if by not fixing this issue, somebody will lose 100 customers (just throwing a number out there), but they can spend the same (limited) resources into fix/improving something else that will cause them to GAIN 100k customers (again, just throwing a number out there), I can see them spending their time on the latter, instead.
If it's really that important that it gets fixed, you could always donate to the appropriate people, as money talks. - TheSeeker11, on 12/30/2008, -3/+9For those that like the idea of a rolling distro, as mentioned in the article, check out sidux <http://www.sidux.com/>
- fuzzlog2, on 12/31/2008, -0/+6When I first started at my current job, I was on a Windows machine. Then I got the opportunity to switch to Linux and was given Ubuntu to try. For some reason, we had to start over, can't remember exactly why, but I installed Debian and never regretted it since. I did have a choice between Gentoo, Fedora and Suse. Went for stability and definitely paid off. I just love this distro.
- rowjimmy, on 12/31/2008, -0/+6"there have been issues with software from the Debian community that has caused problems for some users of Ubuntu 8.10 who have older graphics cards or off-market monitors"
what are you talking about specifically? the incompatibility with the latest xorg and old nvidia legacy drivers? (because that has nothing to do with debian or ubuntu) - ace214, on 12/30/2008, -0/+6Um, I swear I just said Ubuntu with click-click-click-click-click-click.
- mrBitch, on 12/31/2008, -0/+5@sx66gns RE: "... MS will be charging on a per use basis , then you'll care and we won't."
Wow, you're right :
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/27/20 ...
" Microsoft's vision of your computing future is on display in its just-published patent application for the Metered Pay-As-You-Go Computing Experience.
The plan, as Microsoft explains it, involves charging students $1.15 an hour to do their homework, making an Office bundle available for $1/hour, and billing gamers $1.25 for each hour of fun.
In addition to your PC, Microsoft also discloses plans to bring the chargeback scheme to your cellphone and automobile — GPS, satellite radio, backseat video entertainment system.
'Both users and suppliers benefit from this new business model,' concludes Microsoft... " - stargatesteve, on 12/31/2008, -1/+6Murdock wants Debian to stay Debian /because/ one of Debian's features is it's stability. Debian does not change unless it needs to. Murdock does not need to help every distro simply because they use Debian as a base. The Debian devs have more important things to do than to worry about the user head count. Debian is used on more servers than Ubuntu for a reason. They don't do anything that could change the distro, and they have a decent user base because of that.
- Alteran, on 12/31/2008, -1/+6I've actually spent several, just having fun during school breaks. I always seem to be changing the little things for fun or more functionality that work with my usage. its quite fun.
- inactive, on 12/30/2008, -4/+9because their releases are 16 years apart
- InorganicMatter, on 12/30/2008, -2/+7Why they should care: Canonical can't write REAL code to save their lives, and relies on upstream Debian for ALL major updates and security fixes to Ubuntu.
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