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- schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+61Among many things, the move by Microsoft is intended to scare government about the use of OLPC (esp. with XO) and make $3 Windows seem like a cheaper option. Groklaw mentions 7 reasons why the move makes no sense for Microsoft and will never work.
- pcharles23, on 10/11/2007, -8/+58tomorrow at 12 noon PST
( sudo ping -f -s 666 www.microsoft.com ) - jamessavik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+36I'm guessing because the world greeted Vista with a collective yawn.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32tick...tick...tick...
Hear that Mr. Gates? Time is running out. Between Google and Open Source you're stuck between a rock and a hard spot. Paying attention to Apple helped the first time...it won't work again.
For all the ms fanboys...I don't care about the revenue...businesses will eventually become agile enough to drop MS. - sathias, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26It's not linux's fault, but it *is* linux's problem.
- Ashex, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26@pcharles
too bad microsoft.com doesn't respond to pings ;) - thetaco82, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24I get it. Microsoft can't code better than open source nerds, so they set the lawyers loose.
/Kubuntu - Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21You need a practical demonstration model before you can patent that, and it looks like you are out of luck in that department.
- Redemption289, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25dude. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Its not Linux's fault that companies don't develop software for it.
- ZaNkY, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21Using Wine:
HowTo: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2631
Pic: http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=8924
From what I gather CS2 seems to run fine with Wine (few glitches). CS3 is still in the works however. Keeping an entire Operating System platform for a single software? I hope you're in the graphics industry...
But yeah, I look forward to the day Adobe releases CS3 under Linux. They made the step with Flash, can Photoshop be next?
(There's always Gimp!) - tkstock, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Jeez - no one has mentioned the obvious!
Because Vista is a big flop and they are losing potential customers to Linux, they have to strike out, else they are simply losing market share without a fight.
Vista was the best thing to happen to Ubuntu in a long time (yes, Beryl and Combiz are pretty sweet also) - drag, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15US software patents are only realy relevent to people in the US and the countries that are brain-dead enough to sign treaties promising to honor such things.
So if your in Uganda or whatever it's just pointless *****. This is why it's very important for people in the EU to make sure that their government doesn't fall for this software patent trap.
You can see the effect of software patents in the US for things as stupid as media codecs. Linux and OSS has world-class support for decoding and encoding formats such as mp3, AAC, Mpeg2, Mpeg4, H.264 and other such things. They are equivelent in features and usually faster then the closed source versions people regularly purchase for doing media encoding in Windows.
Linux should be a multimedia powerhouse compared to Windows or OS X because of stuff like that, but software patents make everything a PITA and only realy experianced Linux users can benefit from this stuff.
It's all a bunch of ***** and software patents are responsable for retarding the progress of software technology instead of fostering innovation like they should if they worked.
Microsoft will do anything to try to retard the progress of Linux.
Compare the ease-of-use of Ubuntu Feisty (latest release) vs Ubuntu Warty (first release).
If you don't remember go ahead and fire up a qemu session and install Warty. They make look similar but it's increased massively over this 2 and a half year period. Now compare Ubuntu Fiesty vs something like Redhat 7.0. Redhat 7 was released around the same time that Windows XP did. Fiesty is about equivelent to Vista. Compare 2.2.17 Linux kernel in Redhat to the 2.6.21 kernel we have today.
Who do you think made much more progress in this time period? Linux or Windows?
By the time Microsoft releases it's next desktop OS it will be Windows that is playing catch-up.. not Linux. - beingdevious, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18hey adobe.. do anything to make Creative suite 1.0 and newer available for linux and i will make the switch 100% im already running linux as a base, and use windows ONLY to use pshop/illustrator.
windows just fails on all accounts - consonance, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15You're sending mixed messages. Either your wit is dull or your mind is instead.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -14/+25Hello? Adobe? Natively run your CS3 suite in Linux and I'll experiment with giving Windows the ol' heave-ho!
'Till then... XP, I guess... - themastersb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Why are they saying this? "All cars have steering wheels, but does one company try to claim it as their own" and throw patents all over it? Microsoft is being hypocritical if you ask me.
- diggeon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11No doubt FOSS is winning the war given M$'s $3 price and Steve Ballmer's reaction is to throw the FUD chair. I have a hard time understanding the amount of greed it takes to keep the entire third world poor and ignorant. Perhaps they think money can fill the empty hole inside them.
- afx1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Where can I download the addon that bugs me for every single action I want to take?
- amunimanghi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11The real reason is because they didn't think of beryl first and want to take credit for the idea of special effects.
- stevenvh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"as someone who quite likes Microsoft as a company"
Well, it looks like you still have a lot to learn. About Microsoft, and about other companies. As long as you like Microsoft, I'd recommend you NOT to read Ricardo Semler's "Maverick". It will only make you sick. - dattaway, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Patents are a land grab. Pretty soon all possible ideas will be owned. After that we will have patent extensions, just like copyright extensions 17, 50, 100, 500 years after the date of issue. Must protect the profits of starving software authors long after their deaths.
- JNando, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Vista is jsut --XP with software addons you can download for free!..
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I think you guys might find, more people are sticking with XP. They're not switching to Vista - yet - but they're not switching from Windows either.
- Ashex, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9ever heard of vmware?
- resplence, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Ok, I know why.
The first-time, or even the average, consumer knows nothing about Operational Systems - they just want a computer. They go to the cheapest store and buy whatever the seller says is best and they can afford. The problem is, in the past five to ten years, A LOT of small tech business got started, selling computers and hardware. And to remain competitive they sold computers with pirated Windows. The store legally bought one copy and used it on all its computers, making copies of the CD to give it out to their unaware customers.
When, later, the costumers faced problems with activation or updates, assuming they were entitled to technical support, they simply called the store. Would the vendors admit they had sold pirated software and risk losing the costumer, if not facing a lawsuit? No, they just sent their technician to "resolve" the situation by cracking Windows. Up until Windows XP, this was fairly easy to do.
Now Vista makes cracking and pirating very much harder. Even before it was released, just seeing the press about all its anti-piracy features, I thought "wow, this is going to boost Ubuntu". And that was exactly what happened. Where I live, the only stores that sell computers with Vista are the real big ones. And even so, on just about 50% of the computers displayed, where Windows used to be ubiquitous. Now they have to share the stands with Ubuntu and a couple other Linux distros.
There's a huge store that even branded their Linux copy, using their logo for the "start button". Thanks to open source.
And that's why, and how, in the long run, Windows will lose. - ZaNkY, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Just because Microsoft doesn't respond to pings doesn't mean they don't receive them. I guess a DDoS done the old fashioned way could still work, since the routers that are filtering out the ping requests would *eventually* get saturated. But seriously, what's the point?
All data goes somewhere :) - formulathree, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Microsoft - The new SCO. ***** scumbags to the end. I hope Balmer suffers for this.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Beryl beats aero glass anyday.
- fugazied, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I am in the same boat, CS3 on linux and I have no reason to ever use windows again. My addiction to Photoshop and Dreamweaver keep me going on WinXP.
World of Warcraft on Linux might also attract a few thousand more users ;) - corvairkid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Actually, in this case it's more like:
Ford - Dear Toyota: We at Ford Motor Company have been building automobiles much longer than you have. In this time, we've designed, developed and patented a number of components which make up the car as a whole. After reviewing your products, we've found 235 parts which we've deemed to be in violation of those patents. We ask that you either license the use of our patented designs or cease using these components immediately.
Toyota - Dear FoMoCo: We at Toyota would be glad to redesign the offending parts if you would just let us know what they are and how your patents affect them.
Ford - No, I don't think we'll be doing that. Pay us to license them or die. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I would love to see international block windows day, where sites running Linux block connections from Windows systems.
Or if that is too much then overlay a message detailing some Microsoft's attitudes and discrediting some of their FUD. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Well, what's great about Linux is it's open source.
Even if it *did* violate patents, good luck containing the source. We'd just spread it and work on it via the p2p apps we've created.
Try stopping that :)
Not that it will happen, but I'm just saying... good luck, MS. You're getting yourself into a battle that you just can't win.
Hmm... does the NTFS read/write violate anything? Oh well. We'll take it out, but we still have the source. And who exactly is gonna stop us from using it? Oh yeah, no one. - wtf00, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm not Linux or Microsoft fan boy especially not fan boy of mac... but i hope this really backfire at Microsoft for being anti competitive finding excuse to hammer linux.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4for our non-u.s. friends, that's 20:00 UTC
- bobbknight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Here's the Groklaw link
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070513234519615 - straxus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3At work, I have a handful of windows-only apps I need to run. Some won't run under WINE, but everything works with a Windows XP VMWare image. If that's the only thing holding you back from switching, don't let it.
- vguard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Intellectual Freedom vs Intellectual Slavery
Taxing ideas is the intellectual equivalent of taxing the air. - carpespasm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5a good point, many people were saying before vista's release how it needed to be something seriously dwarfing XP or they'd start to really feel the pinch as more people switch to OSX and linux because even with new eye candy and features that should have been in there years ago, windows still feels like windows.
- dbalaski, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4My theory
Yes Vista hasn't been doing all that well, but that is only one point.
Microsoft has been hitting competition on several fronts --- the biggest one is Linux
But how do you sue an Open Source project ? It would be a nightmare ...
As others pointed out earlier -- Open Source will just keep going.. Anyways -- they aren't going to make $$ suing Linus Torvalds and the tons of other independent developers...
I think they will use this as a stepping stone to sue the Commercial Linux companies such as Red Hat, IBM, Oracle -- they have $$$ and they support the commercial Market .. Microsoft has the Lawyers and the pockets to pursue this.
Another interesting factor was the Microsoft - Novell Collaboration Announcement on Nov. 2, 2006 -- why would they take such action now that they are partnering with Novell's SUSE ??? -- I mean really -- it was only six months ago!!!
Which makes me I think that Microsoft is using this as an attempt to corner the market (or at least get a stronger foothold into it ) -- Novell has copyrights to Unix and can apply these to the Linux world.
So -- Tie up the commercial Linux Commercial Support Companies with Legal Actions, scaring away businesses from these other versions of Linux and get soaked up into the camps of MS & Novell.
Just a theory - indiehead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3agree, the first thing you learn in business is to not insult and p... off the customer; as they are ultimately the reason you exist. without them you'd be nothing.
you don't get a job because it's something everyone has, you get a job to obtain cash with which to buy the things you lust over. same thing with the company, they don't give you a job out of the kindness of their hearts, but by what you can provide them with.
microsoft really better be careful with this one.
because on linux's side, they have full disclosure from day 1 with anyone able to obtain the source code. for microsoft their source code is their lifeblood, to give that out to the public would kill them.
so potentially microsoft could say "you infringed our patents" then linux would say "fine, show us where this happened?".
anyone can go out into the street to say "you harmed my wellbeing", it's turning around to prove it that is harder.
i'm sure if they did it to google, google would come back and say "fine, we have no problem with that, we'll see you in court then?" and then microsoft's bluff would be blown.
tread carefully mr ballmer, - Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@Zanky: "I hope you're in the graphics industry..."
Yep.
"There's always GIMP."
Inadequate.
@Skyscape: "Dump your XP and install Vista."
My comp is too old. Going on 5 years now, but I built it beefy for the day (RAID array, gig of RAM, etc.) so it still serves for publishing work. - nkwell, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Why?
Fear....
Enterprise vendors that were loyal to MS for eons *cough* dell *cough* are now starting to offer linux pre-installed. Linux is taking any enterprise customer that desires scalable, high-availability solutions without having to sell your first-born. - generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"I think you guys might find, more people are sticking with XP. They're not switching to Vista - yet - but they're not switching from Windows either."
XP will be EOL'd for OEMs on on December 31, 2007. - shteinb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Microsoft wouldn't be targeting most end users such as yourself. Likely it isn't going to target distributors either. It will target large corporate consumers. Big financials, government agencies, all these groups are under threat.
- indiehead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2pretty obvious to see why,
they introduced Vista and are marketing it as the replacement to linux & osx, so to get a bigger share they go for their competitors any way they can.
it's a shame as they'll lose a lot of fans doing this, not to mention customers.
just reminds you of a big lion going through it's final death throws, lashing out at everyone and thing in sight before it gets pulled into obscurity.
sad. - danmat06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This is because linux is better than windows vista. And It's FREE. Redmond are ***** their trousers.
- vguard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If Microsoft is truly an "Engine of Capitalism" , then why doesn't it simply out compete the other contenders? Why is Microsoft acting like a parasite?
- chodaboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Well if M$ weren't so anal about activation and trying to squeeze every freakin' penny outta their userbase's ass, they wouldn't really have to worry about Linux. But now they've got people turning to the distro's like Ubuntu (and not just the endusers mind you.) The only reason they've got the userbase they have is because everyone grew up learning to use it.
- burke, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"WTB .........."
You actually *can* run WoW pretty well in Wine -- Cedega works like a charm. - bebopredux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Steve Ballmer = Young Frankenstein
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