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- dbbblondon, on 01/15/2008, -4/+75Well i've been watching the iPlayer for the past few weeks on Ubuntu, I don't know what the f.uck this guy is on about.
- wipeout140, on 01/15/2008, -6/+52You can use the flash version as well now - meaning no ActiveX and all the shows as normal
- ToscaDisco, on 01/15/2008, -5/+37I call *****.
I use the iPlayer on Linux, it works fine and has done since it was taken out of beta (New year). I've just watched Louis Theroux Behind Bars on Fedora 8 (it was excellent), about an hour ago
The bit that doesn't work without ActiveX is the iPlayer download manager. It uses an ActiveX plugin as part of it's DRM (so you can't download a program and then share it via p2p etc, not that you would bother as all the iPlayer programs are free anyway). It's OK that the download manager doesn't work on Linux though, cos it's crap. Why would I want to download and save a program to watch later? If I want to watch it later, I can just stream it while I watch it. They're fixing it anyway - so pretty soon you will be able to download using the download manager, if you're an idiot and want to use that part of it
Typical sensationalist crap. Made up. Literally. Why are you muppets promoting a ***** story that isn't true to the front page?
Digg nil, BBC 1 - 350Zed, on 01/15/2008, -13/+36"Furious"???
If this makes you "furious", you clearly have too little real responsibility in your life. - kazamx, on 01/15/2008, -4/+23Since this whole thing has kicked off with the BBC and Linux, I find I pop onto the site at least once a day. I flick through a few pages, maybe load a video or two. If nothing else it helps pad the numbers a little. Maybe if more Linux users did this it would be even harder to ignore us.
To be honest I understand why companies ignore us at the moment. Linux has somewhere between 0.5 - 1.5% of the market. I remember when I first started using Phoenix (now firefox) we had 0% market share and no one wanted to sort the problems with their sites out. but as Firefox started to get between 5-10% of the market, pretty much every site made sure they worked.
With the eeePC, gOS Everex PC, and Cloudbook all running Linux and expected to sell over 10 million units this year. I see Linux usage increasing. Over time all these problems will go away as long as we can get the usage figues up. - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -4/+21Mac fanboys who can't stop bashing windows...that's pathetic. But Mac fanboys who bash *Linux*?! Have they gotten *that* retarded?!
- Leiterfluid, on 01/15/2008, -5/+20"I do not support those who do not support my choice of operating systems."
The BBC is government funded. I'm sure they get all the support they need.
"How Are 16,000 People Not Getting BBC's Attention?"
Easy. The population of London is over 7.5 million. 16,000 means doodly-squat. - dinostabOMG, on 01/15/2008, -4/+15BBC is partially public, so it isn't quite that simple.
- fritzek, on 01/15/2008, -2/+13Anything, that can be seen, can be saved as well.
- fLUx1337, on 01/15/2008, -4/+14Love how it says this on the bottom of the article:
"Click here to get the latest prices on Linux distributions!" - CapEnt, on 01/15/2008, -1/+11Using ActiveX is plain sick... they should remove this cancer and leave the flash version as default.
- GMorgan, on 01/15/2008, -7/+17No it's not. It's quite easy to make portable software. What is difficult is to write software for one platform and then move it to another. The BBC cannot hide behind this excuse since they knew it had to be portable when they started.
- Phocion55, on 01/15/2008, -5/+14ActiveX
*shudders* - Mesmorize, on 01/15/2008, -8/+17You guys need to calm the ***** down. "Furious"? That's way overboard.
- qetuo, on 01/15/2008, -9/+18Linux user should be able to use iplayer just like the mac users had to fight to use it to. At the end of the day we are forced to pay for a lincense fee, they should do what we want. Not want microsoft wants!
- troye, on 01/15/2008, -0/+8get it from your firefox browser cache.
1. type about:cache in address bar (in FF)
2. search for ".swf" --> Ctrl-F search string ".swf"
3. locate and view said materials or store it on your hard drive for safe keeping ;) - Electric_Sheep, on 01/15/2008, -3/+11"Based on what I have been able to gather thus far, it looks like we will see an Adobe Flash option coming out soon"
Is this guy an idiot? The article was released on the 13 of January. The BBC iPlayer using Adobe Flash has been available to the British public for weeks! Did the guy bother visiting the BBC site? - sdlvx, on 01/15/2008, -6/+13superior?
HA! - phaedrusiszen, on 01/15/2008, -5/+12Since it's funded by the taxes paid for by some Linux users, I think they do have an argument.
If it's a strong enough argument consider the smaller Linux user base vs. the Microsoft one is its own question. But there is reason behind questioning. - sirhomer, on 01/15/2008, -2/+8Ok fine, then I won't give them my money.
Oh wait, I am forced to by law.
Taxation without representation anyone? :) - ToscaDisco, on 01/15/2008, -1/+7>> "The notion that every computer user should have access at the expense of securing the content is ridiculous"
Watch the video - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6W1XIwSB27A
The vast majority of the cost of the iPlayer isn't the actual player (the flash player, the download manager, the ActiveX, the stuff you see). The real cost is in having created the ability to take any program aired on the BBC and very soon after it's aired, having it encoded and available for anyone in the UK to watch over the internet.
In other words the expense is nearly all spent in just having the programs available, not in the player you use to watch them . Given that, they might as well fork out a little more to make it available on as many OS's as possible
The player itself will be easy enough to chop and change and do whatever you want to do with it (e.g. make it independant of operating system), now that the technology and infrastructure is in place to have those programs available for it to feed off. - dbalaski, on 01/15/2008, -3/+9
Also, as I've noticed before, there is a bit of arrogance about accepting new ideas not born at the BBC or the UK... I agree -- once it starts to cost them $$$$, their tune will change. - fatloui, on 01/15/2008, -6/+11yeah, just what i was thinking, clearly this linux user needs to light up and chill the ***** out
- kazamx, on 01/15/2008, -6/+11You can stream content, but you can't download it like Windows users can.
- GMorgan, on 01/15/2008, -1/+6It has no choice in the matter. The BBC doesn't set policy, it implements it.
- phaedrusiszen, on 01/15/2008, -1/+6Saying that says you don't understand Linux. It has it place. For me Linux fits better with what I want from a computer. If Microsoft's products satisfy that need for the users, then good for them. I don't like Windows, but I'd be wrong to say it sucks. It works for many people.
- buckrogers1965, on 01/15/2008, -1/+6They have a duty to program using open web standards so that everyone can use it, instead of doing a vendor lock in to a company that isn't even British.
- thailand1972, on 01/15/2008, -0/+5They do give a *****. Especially because the BBC is a VERY opinionated organization that should be neutral. Also, on a lighter note, there's loads of BBC adverts about how ***** up your life would be if you didn't pay your license. You don't only have to pay your license, you have to listen to threats from the BBC all year round.
- godisdead, on 01/15/2008, -0/+5Every last frame of the content on iPlayer is publicly owned. They're cordoning off public property for use by Microsoft Windows users only. In any other country in the world people would be in court or in jail - but this is Britain, where no such common sense ever stopped the BBC from doing what ever the ***** it likes.
- orbingpunk, on 01/15/2008, -2/+6Okay, bad wording on my part. How's "the increased Linux userbase on the horizon"?
- GMorgan, on 01/15/2008, -1/+5Most often technologically you mean.
- jellygraph, on 01/15/2008, -0/+4they should have designed things properly to begin with
- dinostabOMG, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3You're right - I was thinking of NPR, which is partially public. The BBC is fully public. Thanks for the correction.
- CapEnt, on 01/15/2008, -1/+4Nspluginwrapper allows me to use the 32bit flash on my 64bit firefox under linux.
- godisdead, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3The British tax payer owns BBC content. It is public property. ABC is paid for with advertising. The BBC do not show adverts. Their entire revenue comes from the licence fee. The BBC have cordoned off public property and made it exclusively available to users of a commercial product, which no matter your opinion on the platform wars, is independently proven to be less secure than UNIX variants like Linux and Mac OS X and according to the European court is in serious and continuing breach of numerous fair competition laws.
- jellygraph, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3I think I've got a good idea why the BBC developed it this way in the first place. I went to uni with one of the folks working in that area of the beeb and he's a windows developer and, as far as he is concerned, the world revolves around him - thus everyone has to run windows (you really ought to hear how he argues these things)... probably most of their entire base of developers have exactly the same attitude
- simd, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3Over 95% of people in the UK use the BBC's online, radio or TV services every week, so they must be doing something right.
- nickcharlton, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3I'm not so keen on Windows either, but I use it when I need to and use Xubuntu when I can. I mostly use Mac, but that's only because I like that too. I think people need to start choosing what they use rather than everyone dubunking things because thats the way they do it. The simple fact is, Linux gives choice.
- godisdead, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3Short of screen-capping it's hard to do, because they split the stream up into short randomly named FLV files.
- niallabrown, on 01/15/2008, -7/+10You would have to be stupid to digg the last comment down. Its happening now are you not paying attention? There will be millions of eeepc's manufactured next year alone and there are announcments right left and center of new PC's running Linux out of the box. People are out of their minds if they beleive that Linux is still just for geeks.
- EnderMB, on 01/15/2008, -6/+9Wow! Some Linux-using wannabes caught red-handed here! The guys who've bitched are either Windows/IE users or Linux fanboys who aren't even smart enough to check up on a story before believing it.
The BBC iPlayer uses Flash now and has for a good while, so if you can't view it you might want to get Flash.
Buried as Inaccurate. - jellygraph, on 01/15/2008, -2/+5You are completely wrong
- bjornski, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3Fonziy?
That mid-30's biker who hung around with high-school kids in Wisconsin? - HonoredMule, on 01/15/2008, -4/+7It's nothing new. It's the classic "I spent half my savings on this beast, so it HAS to be better" mentality. Financial investment = emotional investment.
So what's the Linux fanboy's excuse? It's ACTUALLY better...socially and philosophically, and sometimes technologically too. - Phocion55, on 01/15/2008, -3/+6Wow MS finally squeezed XP onto the Eee? That's like trying to fit Rosie O'Donnell in a gym locker. Impressive.
- OpCzar, on 01/15/2008, -1/+4Remove the cancer, leave the flesh?
- CarzorStelatis, on 01/15/2008, -1/+4Buried as inaccurate. The Flash version (which he says is 'coming out soon') was actually available two weeks before he wrote the article.
- buckrogers1965, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3Nobody is asking for them to specifically support any particular OS. Just program using open web standards and test it on the popular web browsers like IE, firefox, safari and opera. You know, regular web development for the world today.
- sirhomer, on 01/15/2008, -0/+3I don't get how British people don't give a ***** to have to pay a license fee to own a TV. It's *****. Imagine having to pay a license fee to News Corp everytime you buy a TV in the USA, Fox News is of course the most popular and respected (barfs in mouth) news station in the USA.
- Phocion55, on 01/15/2008, -4/+6Right just like a bridge toll doesn't have to let through Toyota's.
Makes sense. -
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