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- NX910a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19http://system76.com/
Problem solved. - monergism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Installing has never been a problem. Proper hardware support on the otherhand has been an issue.
- genetic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15isn't half the fun installing your favorite distro?
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12troll
- oooo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Anyone else find this site massively confusing? Just looks like a jumble of links.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Especially with laptops, yeah.
- ltmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@doodlebumm
It does show the problem with the Linux laptop market: the lack of volume basically eradicates the "Microsoft tax" advantage that you have from it. If I bought from System76 it would be more for the fact that I want to support this market rather than that they would be the best deal possible. - Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7 And more:
http://tinyurl.com/ytfgo3
http://www.elinuxstop.com/e107_plugins/zogo-shop/categories.php
http://lxer.com/module/db/viewby.php?uid=120&sort=120&offset=0&dbn=14 - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hardware support. It's nice to know things work. There is a reason Macbooks do reasonably well and the iMac not so much. There is generally a greater need to tie your OS into the computer with a laptop to handle things like suspend and the fiddly extra hardware bits that tend to come built into laptops.
With a desktop you can at least change most hardware parts, not so easy with a laptop. - tdwester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The main reason they are more expensive is all trail stuff you get on a windows computer. You don't think they just put norton on there out of the goodness of there heart do you. They get paid every time somebody buys it.
- spindrift, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Is it just me, or are they really overpriced?
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Because you don't know how to use Google
http://www.google.com/search?q=set+top+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
A good PVR distro: http://www.mythtv.org/ - flamadiddle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6OK. I understand the mobile phones and PDAs, but why shop for pre-installed Linux laptops? That limits your hardware choices a great deal (not as many configurations sold with Linux pre-loaded). Why do that when you can just install it later?
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't even know what the hell that is supposed to mean. How the hell is your operating system going to make your computer smoke?
- Stemp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I hope you are joking
- flamadiddle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@GMorgan:
That is true. Although, I think it will be almost a non-issue soon. The Linux world is getting a lot better at supporting the "fiddly extra hardware bits." I mean heck, I just found out I can burn Lightscribe labels with Ubuntu. - monergism, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Like Mac Fanboys, these are not just "computers". These are Linux computers. Something really special about them you see. Sure, they cost mroe but dammit it's worth it because it's not Micro$0ft!!11111
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The price difference is way smaller than you'd think, once you actually configure the systems.
I just configured up a Dell Latitude D520-n with similar specs to a System76 Gazelle Value. Once you move to a real Intel wireless card and upgrade the Dell "CD drive" to the CDRW/DVD drive that comes with the Gazelle and upgrade the 4-cell battery on the Dell to 6-cell, you've made up most of the price difference. Yea, the Dell is still $20 or $30 cheaper, but if they're willing to screw you on the *battery*, who knows what other components they skimped on.
I don't know about you, but it's worth $30 to me to know that the hardware was actually tested with the OS I plan on installing. - seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One thing that gets me about System76 and its ilk is that their laptops really aren't all that special. And where are the detailed system specs? They are selling to geeks, primarily. While its nice to know that the systems are well supported with Linux, the features just aren't there. Why not build a machine with all the hard stuff figured out and working out of the box? I'm talking about bluetooth mice, built-in webcams, microphones, ***** great acpi support, lmsensors, etc. Basically all the stuff that you already have, but can't get figured out without it being a pain.
People switch to macs because they are so cool, and work so great, right out of the box. I've said for quite awhile that Windows or Mac cant touch a properly set up Linux box. Let me repeat that: a PROPERLY SET UP LINUX BOX. IMHO many people will be willing to pay a premium to have their kickass Linux box delivered, and not have to set anything up by hand.
What we (the Linux geeks that are buying from companies like system76) need is a kickass laptop or desktop with all the cool new peripherals installed and working out of the box. This is the type of thing that Apple is _very_ good at, and one of the reasons they've been so successful lately. I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I'm thinking about getting a mac, specifically because of the perfect integration that OSX has with Apple hardware. - mweels, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5
Why is there not any linux set-top boxes? - f0dder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Linux users I know cannibalize older PC's.
If you know how to use linux you most likely
know how to build your own machine.
How hard is it to RTFM? - doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Totally overpriced. They show low prices, but that is for nearly unusable systems. I realize that it takes volume to make things cheaper, but these are just too expensive.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's not illegal. Steve Ballmer will just personally hunt you down.
- Cyclophile, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Its spam
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For comparison, I tried to configure a Lenovo N100. I couldn't get it the same as what I had on the other two, but I after reconfiguring the other two I ended up with the Dell leading the Lenovo by $8, and the System76 box $26 behind that.
Again, it's worth the $35 to buy System76 - where the tech support people don't get confused when you can't bring up the Windows hardware manager for them. - jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The TiVo is a Linux set-top box.
- Cyclophile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I almost dug this. but... it is spam..
- SPL3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is funny that most models keep the "Windows" key on the keyboard.
- Linguino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IBM ThinkPads are probably the top choice if you are looking to run Linux on a laptop... Or are they now called Lenovo ThinkPads?
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea look like they cost more than the windows installed counter parts.
I think I'll just buy one off lenovo and install Linux on it.
Unless someone has found a site that has lower prices this is what everyone should do it you want the lowest price.
(For a brand new one that is) - tech10171968, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder why not just buy a bare-bones "whitebook" laptop and install your own choice of Linux distro?
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=848&cid=10
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/264/1/
http://laptoping.com/category/msi-barebone-laptop/
I'm very seriously considering doing this myself; that way I can choose ONLY components which I know for a fact are Linux-friendly (for example, using Nvidia instead of ATI). - michelebot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have Ubuntu Edgy running on a Dell Inspiron E1505 notebook (Core Duo 2 GHz) and everything that I've checked works (I haven't checked the modem, yet), including the wireless Draft n network card using ndiswrapper and the included Windows driver. I've never been so happy with a laptop running with Linux.
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The "Lenovo ThinkPad" series is pretty nice, but you're paying about $200 for the brand name. If you're willing to spend that much, you might as well just buy a System76 box with a nicer processor and an extra gig of RAM.
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think those prices are to bad. Of course you can shop around on the internet for cheaper prices, but that is because there are a larger number of computers running Windows, so you have more chances of finding a computer cheaper. Plus the kick back from Microsoft and all the other third party crapware they put on preloaded computers.
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why? The key itself is pretty useful. Traditional Unix keyboards had Control, Alt, Shift, Meta, and Super modifier keys - the Windows key works great for me as Super, although I'm still short Meta, Compose, Alt_Gr, and Hyper.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1where to find lists of things, www.frontpagedigg.com
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@stemp
I would hope he is joking
If not he has a very low IQ - vornan19, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Install windows. bork windows. keep it limping around to play a couple of games you're too lazy to get working under wine. bowl of cheezits and a beer.
- Humptydank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1
And isn't the other half of the pre-install equation that you are supposedly getting a significant discount against what you'd otherwise pay at retail? Since there is technically no retail here, I'm not sure I see the point. - andocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One thing that should be pointed out in any comparison between suppliers is that if you go to supplier A, pick a system, then go to supplier B and configure a similar system often this will introduce a bias against supplier B.
For example if you go to Apple, pick a system, then go to Dell and config a system's hardware as close as possible, ie maybe add some RAM, bump up the proc, choose another optical drive etc, wow Dell are more expensive. Do it the other way around, go to Dell, pick a system then go to HP config a similar system, bump up the RAM whatever, wow HP are more expensive.
Now forget about the brands used in the example, they aren't important, the point is in my experience if you stray from the default parts things blow out quickly and this should be taken into account when comparing prices. - groverblue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2yeah. horrible site.
- crossers, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0ok! day-by-day we will get more information about computer-corporation news!
http://www.ocflex.com/
http://www.trgovinca.org
http://www.chasr.org/ - crossers, on 02/25/2008, -0/+0The survey results look kind of confusing to me. I think these links can be useful http://www.robobusiness2006.com and http://www.sitemapwriter.com
- dmitriyvoz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0OK. I understand the mobile phones and PDAs, but why shop for pre-installed Linux laptops? That limits your hardware choices a great deal (not as many configurations sold with Linux pre-loaded). Why do that when you can just install it later? The same theme on Russian sites: http://pivo.in.ua http://www.alcogol.kiev.ua
- mweels, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2
Thats the problem, it all a bunch of crap.
What is out there that I could spend $150-$200 on have a wireless connection, and hdtv out? Is the old XBOX still the best set-top box? - danknerd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3i am writing this on a system76 notebook... mmmm.... though currently i have Vista installed on it, works well too.
- jdepp, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I thought it was illegal to uninstall windows?
- oooo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3ah bury this...
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -44/+5try your city's dump yard. you can easily spot it. just follow the trail of smoke.
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