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- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53#1 for me: The screwy copy/paste functionality of GNOME. If you copy text for application A, close A, then try to paste in application B, the clipboard buffer is cleared and you won't paste anything.
True, glipper fixes that, but that's pretty sad when you need a third party app to get something right that is sooooo basic. - nukem996, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28The only whine I have about Linux is that every time people see me using it or hear I use it they ask me why I use it, why is it better, and either have a million questions about it or start a debate about why average users will never use Linux.
- nukem996, on 10/12/2007, -13/+391. Many wireless drivers are supported and if there not use ndiswrapper to use your windows driver
2. HP officaly supports the vast majority of their printers on Linux with open source drivers (http://hplip.sourceforge.net/) Epson has very good support with GIMP print, and for Dell I've never owned one so I can't say
3. Thats not Linux's fault thats ATI's fault and for the record they suck on Windows to
4. KDE4 will support widgets including OS X widgets
5. KDE currently does this do a google serach
6. Quake IV, Doom III, Unreal 2004 to name a few native games and most main stream games work on wine, cedega, or crossover
7. Real programmers use vim or emacs but if you want a VS type IDE try kdevelop or eclipse
8. Yes you do - NX910a, on 10/12/2007, -15/+40*dons negative-digg-resistant armor*
Okay, I know this has been said over and over again, but I must say this.
I don't like the command line. I don't I don't I don't. I know it's more "efficient" and "faster", but that doesn't make it a pleasure to use (for me, at least). I think it is just tedious and frustrating, even if it does get tasks accomplished more quickly. This doesn't mean you need to force it onto everyone. For people who like to use the command line, leave it there. But as for me, I would like GUIs for everything, and I don't ever want to see the command line or a text editor again (at least, more then once in a blue moon).
Now, for servers, that's different. GUIs just slow them down, and, if necessary, you can use a GUI from a client computer to access it. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Biggest irritant for me is that ATI's drivers just plain suck. I know this isn't linux's fault. I will never buy another ATI product again.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28Well personally here's my few little linux annoyances:
1. Hardware support for not so very common hardware is not the best.
2. Samba configuration is HELL.
3. Sometimes I feel that with a bit more ram, I could have a better experience (256mbram here, duh!).
That's more or less it. I'm about to go install someone Kubuntu Edgy Eft, hopefully things will go smoothly. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20In modern distros you can do all of the samba configuration from a GUI. It's actually easier than Windows which has "simple sharing" enabled by default.
- cozinator, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24@nukem
I was going to dig you up until #7- what an elitist statement. "Real programmers" make use of whatever toolset is most comfortable to them and maximizes their productivity. - kushed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I feel you man, but I am proud to say after several debates I have successfully converted few of my friends and co-workers. Sad to say, most tried it after I demoed Beryl.
- redxii, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Tux Racer & gnibbles
- zeromancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@NX910a
Being particularly partial to command line from my early computing days of DOS, I can't say that I understand peoples' discomfort with the command line. However, I do think you're right. There should be an alternative to some of the things. I know apt-get is generally quicker to use, but there's also a package manager and the 'Add/Remove' app in Ubuntu and similar flavors. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+231. Lack of wireless network driver support.
2. Lack of printer support. (Dell, Epson, HP)
3. ATI Drivers suck! (No Composite, AIGLX Support)
4. Lack of good widgets. (Screenlets is OK, but it’s no Yahoo Widgets yet)
5. Lack of a really good docking system comparable to OSX. (Kiba-Dock and AWN have a long way to go yet, but it’s a start)
6. Lack of really good games available. (I don't care so much about this as I have a console)
7. Programming without an IDE as MS Visual Studio or Borland have. (There are a few out there, but they are a minority and non-standard)
8. I use the word ‘lack’ too much. - jerwong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Use SWAT (Samba Web Administration Tool) if you don't like the configuration file for Samba.
http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html - grakker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@ NX910a
I really don't understand the command line thing. The resistance to it. To me, that is what using a computer is. I remember reading years ago that the difference between being a *nix admin and a WinXX admin was the way you feel at the end of the day. The Unix admin is tired. The WinXX admin is totally exhausted and doesn't want to do *****, even watch TV. Maybe this isn't true for everyone, but it sure is the way I feel. When I struggle all day with *nix I just feel tired. When I used to spend all day dealing with crap WinXX (showing my bias) networks, I wanted to shoot someone. Maybe that's just me. - goodbeershow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Being a hardcore linux gamer, I have no whine. It is perfect.
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I have a few, but most of mine are due to third party software:
WPA and wireless network browsing is not as good as it could be. I can get it to work but it's not that intuitive compared to XP SP2's wireless thingy.
Also, I can't figure out an easy way to capture video and audio from my webcam to make YouTube videos or similar (not particularly important, but it'd be nice if there was a built in Windows Movie Maker type of app).
Video editing is currently not as intuitive as it could be, to be quite honest, it's awful. I wish I could code so I could do something about the situation, but I'm afraid I'm lacking in that area.
Transgaming Cedega is pretty bollocks, to be frank. It claims to officially support several games and yet they don't install simply, there's all sorts of hassles. Yeah, that's fine if the game isn't officially supported, but I thought it was supposed to be simple if they were supported?
Another third party thing - Crossover, sort out MS Access! Some of us need to use it for our university work! - h0ly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10For old machines, you can choose more lightweight desktops... like XFCE. Use lighter apps too: Opera instead of Firefox, Abiword instead of OpenOffice Writer, and so on.
Also, your win98 box probably didn't run services like bluetooth, RAID support,...; so you have to disable everything you won't be using.
Truth is, you need a good box to run a modern desktop smoothly. In older machines some trade-offs are expected.
Sorry if you already knew all that, just trying to help :) - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10from article, 11th comment: "2) Themes that mimic Windows (are we not using Linux to get away from Windows for one?)"
No. A lot of people are, but for those are the fad hoppers and the trendy people that use Linux cause its cool to stick it to the man. For those of us that use Linux because we see how Linux can help us in ways Windows cant: it's not about getting away from Windows, its about filling in a gap that Windows never can. Most of us still use and even like many things about Windows. We don't follow Linux for the sake of snubbing Windows. We follow Linux because Linux is good at filling a specific need or set of needs.
I've been called a Microsoft fan boy simply cause I refuse to talk ***** about how much Windows and Microsoft suck. For my failure to completely abandon Windows I am a Windows fan boy. Never mind that 3 out of 4 of my computers run Linux, 2 of them exclusively. You know what, my failure to abandon Windows makes me more a hardcore Linux user than those of you who call me a ms fanboy ever will be. I don't use Linux cause its trendy. I use Linux cause Linux ROCKS!
Sorry the use Linux cause Windows sucks mentality is starting to bug me. I'll probably be over it in a month or two. Oh and I use xfce4 which I've never seen a windows-wanabe theme for and couldn't care less if I ever do.
And for my part in the reason for the article. #1 biggest gripe is the Linux communities elitist mentality. It is holding Linux back. - Aldrenean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You have Resize Maximized Windows on. Right-click an open window, go to Configure Window Behaviour, click the Moving tab, and turn it off. No more borders while maximized! :D
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"I don't understand why they can't pick one and stick with it."
You are "they". Pick one and stick with it. The community is probably not going to standardize on a common, unified package format in our lifetime. - fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Dependencies.
I wish apps were package files like OSX. Just drag them to the "Application folder". they require no dependencies or use the shared libraries in the system.
Standard file package format. RPMs. Ebuilds, Debs... I don't understand why they can't pick one and stick with it.
Other than that, I have been a die hard linux user since 1998, and I love the OS. its not for everyone but it works for me! - nairanvac, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12$10 says that if this got resubmitted as "What's your 'Ubuntu Whine'?" it'd make front page in a minute, flat.
- metaphysical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Oh but it's already on front page!
- ddxChrist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Configuring X. Sometimes it's just a ***** nightmare.
Other than that, my experiences with linux have been rather favorable. - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Even polished distros like ubuntu lack a fully well rounded gui interface with dialogs and wizards to guide through all things that should be simple.
A good example, and one that put me back on my mac...
My neighbor needed to get pictures off his blue-tooth phone for his lawyer (car accident pictures). I threw a usb dongle on to my pc running ubuntu. It found it and seemed to find the phone to but would not accept file transfers. After about 5 minutes on google and realizing I was going to have to learn how to configure some asinine linux blue-tooth software that will probably get replaced by a newer, less asinine piece of software in less than 3 months...
5 minutes after walking over to my mac with the phone I had the pictures off. - RasutoIbuki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@jbarnett
Actually, the hardware thing isn't Linux's fault. It -is- the vendor's fault. The vendor is the one that supplies the drivers. They usually only supply them for Windows since it is the most popular operating system. A lot of the drivers for Linux out there are coded from the hard work and long hours of programmers that have no access to the original driver's code. That's very difficult stuff. It's not the OS's fault the hardware vendor didn't want to explore the option of coding drivers for it because they did not see it as cost effective.
There are a lot of vendors out there that do supply drivers for Linux, and that's excellent.
That leads me to my Linux whine. It's about the user base. I hate it when people complain that a hardware vendor releases closed source drivers for a piece of hardware. Look, just because we all love the idea of free and open source software doesn't mean everyone does, so if a company chooses to release proprietary drivers just be thankful you get (hopefully) working drivers. If you can't deal with it find an open source alternative or buy hardware from a vendor that releases open drivers, but don't go to the Linux forums and cry out about how nVidia sucks because they only release closed source drivers. - weijie90, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Broken, HP printers have good support from the HPLIP driver.
- elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm a hardcore Linux Flash-based gamer too.
- ts8lemonade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The only complaint I have about Linux is playing games. It's not a huge deal as I can still play WoW with the help of wine (who needs anything else?) but still a bit frustrating and more work is required than in Windows. Other than that, I've been loving Linux.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Aldrenean
That sounds like an ATI issue. I have the same problem running Postal 2 native linux) on my laptop (ATI Xpress 200M) it gets 0 fps no matter what I do, even at 320x240 resolution. Oddly enough running the Windows port in Wine results in a whopping 1 fps. Running it on a much older Nvidia GeForce3 delivers acceptable performance, in the area of 15-20 fps and it flies on my (integrated) GeForce 6100 (45-60 fps). Fglrx drivers are completely unoptimized garbage, And I've completely given up on ATI. The laptop is the last ATI-branded thing I EVER touch with my money until these drivers can qualify as drivers. - kushed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I don't know about the other games, But you don't need anything special for UT2004, just install it and run it. Matter of fact there is 64bit UT2004 for linux.
- neeyo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The one that rarely shows up but, when it does, pisses me off more than anything.
Behold my console text skills to demo this to you:
username@linux-laptop# ./program_that_ran_fine_yesterday
Segmentation fault
username@linux-laptop# - alpinweiss88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+81. Sound. Why is the sound always jacked up? One app will play something, then another can't play sound, then none will play it. The sound always seems to get messed up on my linux systems.
2. X configuration. I have a dual-head Nvidia card, and it is very frustrating to get it to work. I don't know why, it seems like it would be simple. It was easier after I switched to Kubuntu, but it still took me a half-hour of piddling with the Xorg.conf file to get it to work right.
3. Package management. I don't think there is a good solution for this really. I mean, i use Kubuntu, so it is brain-dead, right? Nope. I needed to have dts enabled on mencoder... well, gotta get the source and compile it. It has happened with other apps too, some option I need isn't in the apt-get version.
Overall though, the positives far far outweigh the negatives. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes Beryl was the exclusive reason for my friends wanting to try Linux, and they love it since it works for them. They're not hardcore gamers or anything like that, just myspace and youtube/dailymotion whores. And I'm relieved that I don't need to go to their boxes once every 2 weeks to clear out spyware.
- Harabeck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@nukem
IDE's provide needed tools for some advanced programming projects... - patpi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6so use KDE. Klipper is out of box there ;] Wonderful app
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@jbarnett:
That was a good well thought out post. My response:
For point 1, its true many distros are different. But they are all slowly using the LSB. Which means that init scripts are in /etc/init.d , binaries are installed to /usr/bin , home directories are in /home, config files are in /etc and so on and so forth. This used to be a much bigger problem a few years back, but lately its been much better.
For point 2, Hardware support is MUCH, MUCH better now. In many cases it is better than Windows. The _only_ piece of hardware among my 3 systems that I have had a problem with is the driver for the Broadcom wireless card. But with ndiswrapper and a copy of the windows driver, I am up and running in a few minutes.
As for point 2a, we DO blame the vendor. It is their responsibility to make sure that their hardware works. Many companies such as Adaptec, Intel amongst others have provided drivers for Linux and BSD. If a hardware vendor does not provide a driver, it is their fault. Hell Broadcom provided a driver for their chipset in the Linksys WRT54G (which was reverse engineered for the native driver) so I don't see why they can't just release the driver themselves. Many linux developers have offered to write and maintain the driver. The ball really is in the company's court.
For point 3 (which is an extenstion of your point 2), my previous statement stands. I have had only ONE piece of hardware which had problems working. My USB flash drives work, my samsung mp3 player pops up with an icon on my desktop when I plug it in, everything works. My nvidia card in my desktop works and my 3ware SATA raid card in my server works as well. The 3ware card is detected on install whereas in Windows 2003 I have to press F6 and load a driver.
For your point 4, different packaging systems exist because people have chosen to take different approches to solving a problem. They all have their benefits and drawbacks. The LSB has standardized on rpms. Personally I think that commercial software vendors should use something like autopackage or the loki setup to install their applications.
As for point 5, I have found most alpha and beta software in Linux to be as stable or more stable than production software on Windows. How many games are released which are inundated with bugs and the company releases 2 or 3 patches. Wow for example took 4 updates before the insane lag and fps issues were taken care of. BF2142 was a nightmare. Anyways, in my fedora desktop, most packages are not beta. I use a stable version of the kernel, I use a stable version of gnome, I use a stable version of firefox etc. The unstable software was installed by my own choice and they work flawlessly. Oh about the camera thing, I just plug in my camera and F-Spot opens up and imports all my pics. It even tags them by date etc and I can add more tags to help me sort through the pics better. If i take out the sd card and put it in my card reader, I can import it that way as well. I have never had to recompile drivers (except for the nvidia stub in my desktop) and some select modules such as the vmware and vboxdrv modules.
As for point 6, we know Linux has its problems. But for the most part it works and it works well. I do most of my work on my Linux laptop. When I experience issues, I file a bug or if i figure out how to solve it, I share it with the community. People provide suggestions on improvements all the time. I don't know if you remember devfs, udev etc before hotplug and isapnp before that. People offered suggestions and solutions to improve Linux and thats where its strength lies. We know linux has problems, and the community offers suggestions, code whatnot.
For many things, Linux _IS_ better than Windows and for other things Windows is better. No piece of software is the end all top dog in every aspect of computing. However, Linux evolves with a much bigger dynamic than Windows (and to a certain extent Mac OS X as well). - zeromancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@suppressingfire
CSE 200 teaches Access @ Ohio State. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Check out LMMS ( http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ ). It's a music studio app that looks/acts dead like Fruityloops. Granted the interface is a little different, stuff like changing the beat length is a little different, but that's about it. Also a youtube vid of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPKqHgkFLM The only thing I haven't tried with it are VST plugins, but they are said to work.
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Gee, snypervash, I don't know why. Maybe everyone using Windows has their CPU pegged with a Norton AV scan and can't open their browser to start a Whine.
- wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's because gripes about Windows are slug around thousands of times per day unsolicited. There's no need for anything like this. There are enough people out there looking for opportunities to bitch about Windows in return for cool points that such an article would just be redundant.
- andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"1) every distro of linux is different. If you get "up to speed" on Red Hat - if you try to work on your friend's Slackware system it's completely different (Binaries in different paths, different package systems, different windows manager, different libs). Is it really that hard for all these linux guys to say "Hey, let's all put bash in /bin so no matter which distro a user is on they can find it! brilliant!""
Yeah, that IS annoying.
"2) Hardware support sucks. I tried three two ATI cards and a brand new Nvidia card. none of them worked right. I ended up using some crappy S3 PCI card. :/ wt* is that about?"
Ask nVidia and ATI.
"2a) Don't blame it on the Hardware vendor."
Sorry, blame where blame is due.
"Listen if you're pushing me to use linux and my hardware doesn't work, it's not the vendors beef - it's linux problem."
No, if I'm pushing GNU/Linux on you and you claim its someone's problem who it isn't, then it is your problem.
"A user will say "Hardware sucks under linux" and then it's a linux problem."
Only in their mind.
"They can't use Linux cause of their hardware (regardless of who's "fault" it is)"
Video cards are cheap.
"_and caues of that linux isn't going to be "mainstream" till it gets the support (in whatever manner required)."
I would suggest you pressure nVidia and ATI through email then.
"3) The hardware that does "work" is very half-***ed. Scanner not working from 3-in-1 printer, only printing works"
I don't know enough about the printing drivers to comment.
" - or full resolution support on graphic cards, etc (text only in some cases)."
Normally that is due to an incorrect video driver.
"USB said it was working, but when I plugged my flash drive I couldn't use it."
That's odd. Any flash drive I own just works when I plug it in.
"4) Why you guys have 50 different package systems? All the BSDs use the same (or close enough) package system..."
Because it's a free market. They have control, so they can write it how they like.
"the same command will install program on FreeBSD as it will OpenBSD - but under linux you need RPMs, slack packages in .tgz format, Debian packages, etc. Why are all this linux guys re-doing all this work? Why not just do it once as a community and do it right and then be done with it?"
If they could agree on what the best way is, they would.
"I thought one Advantage of open source was code RE-USE. Obviously they have failed on this with their package management system (and windows manager and most GUI programs in fact.."
No, I'm sure that they shared code amongst package managers. Code re-use doesn't mean ending up with that part identical to how it was in the other application.
"why does the linux community need 7! (yes 7!) different ***** calculators on a "default" install? Come on, I just need 1 that works good.)"
Well, you have different widget sets, and different desktops, different calculators for different needs (scientific, normal, ...), ...
"5) Lots of stuff in "alpha" or "beta"...."
That is one advantage of an open development process. Don't like it? Don't use the software until it is out of beta.
"Listen I just need to get my pictures off my camera. In windows I plug it in and I download them. In Linux I have to spend 2 hours recompiling my kernel with the correct options after it took me 3 hours to download the updates and then have all my *** *** libraries get ***** up."
BULL. I don't believe a word of that. Nobody has ever had to recompile a kernel to get photos. What on earth are you running? Linux From Scratch?
"User shouldn't have to recompile their kernel to do very basic tasks."
No, they shouldn't. AND THEY DON'T.
"6) Linux users not "admitting" problems with their OS. Every OS has problems, but linux users are blind to this and think that it's "better then windows" in all accepts (sic)."
I don't think it is. I think it is better in most respects, and in the freedom respect, which is one of the most important. Windows does some things better - that's the truth.
"It's not, in some things Linux is FAR behind the curve and it's not going to get better till the community as a whole says "Yea, we could do this better"."
Agreed.
"Stop making excuses for Linux."
You know what's great about the GNU/Linux community? Generally after we make excuses we fix it by writing free code. Wait for it.
"The Linux community sounds like a bartered house wife "Sure he hits me once in awhile and makes me spend 4 hours in the closet fixing my libraries, but I love him!""
Give me a break... Where do you get this stuff? - andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"yeah, I would have to whine on this one... I've been trying to get CS:S to run from Steam with Wine for ages, and no matter what I do, it always runs at less than 1 FPS with all the settings turned down, and it took quite some ingenuity to get it even to that point."
40-70fps here, I would check to make sure your video drivers are set up correctly. - dankCIA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61. not being able to use the Fn key on my toshiba (can't change screen brightness to extend battery life so i can't use linux all day for taking notes/etc in class)
2. Mouse movement. I have adjusted the hell out of it, but every time it seems a little bit off. - tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Use 32-bit?
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm a little bugged by how KDE maximizes windows. The window border is still visible on the sides, so when I move my mouse to the right screen to drag the scrollbar, I have to move it back a little or else I wind up grabbing the window border instead of the scrollbar, which is 80% of the reason I use Gnome.
Gnome's extra paranoid mime sniffing is a little annoying, and guaranteed to always be buggy. It refuses to open certain files if it incorrectly decides that their type is different from that indicated by their file extensions (stupid stuff, like "oh no this .html file looks more like an xml document"), so I have to right click and tell it what to open it with.
When I lower a process's priority, threads the process has already spawned seem to be unaffected, at least according to Gnome's "System Monitor".
Most of my other annoyances have been resolved in recent years, or I've forgotten about them. My video card wasn't well supported until the end of 2004, but it's been pretty clear sailing since.
XVampireX mentioned Samba being hard to configure, but my own experience was the exact opposite. I use SWAT to configure it, and it's very clear and straightforward. I've done things with Samba I could never do on Windows. But I can see how someone might find it difficult, particularly if they try the most obvious configuration route provided by Ubuntu. I've found that Ubuntu's "Shared Folders" GUI is completely inadequate for doing something useful with Samba, because there's no interface to add users so that someone could actually _connect_ to it once you've shared your folders. You need to use smbpasswd from the command line to enable that. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is not a solution to your problem, but you can use a tool like "lsof" or "fstat" and grep the output for /dev/dsp or /dev/audio and you will usually find the process that has the sound device open.
This is one of my gripes with Linux, and every other Unix system in existance. We shouldn't have to use "sound managers" to mix processes' audio streams in userland. The kernel's audio device framework should be intelligent enough to allow multiple processes to write and read to the audio device simultaneously. Alas, nobody seems to think about implementing this sort of thing. I'm certainly not a coder; I can't do it.
I could go on and on about thousands of other things that bug me, but after being a Unix user and administrator (yes, outside of a basement) for over ten years, and seeing it make very little progress over all in the *important* aspects of usability, compatibility, and standards, I have completely given up on trying to use Unix as a desktop OS of any kind. It's bad enough that I have to tend to Unix machines at work. I don't want to have to ***** with it at home. - wshs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My biggest gripe with Linux is that you have to learn a million different distros to be efficient at supporting it. Each distro has a different place for config files, a different init system, different x flavor, etc. The difference between each distro is enough to make me cringe when people use one name to describe the whole group. At least when someone mentions Windows, I don't have to relearn each version. Likewise with BSD. All the config files are in the same place, the init system is essentially the same, etc.
- NoTiG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5* Games .... not linux's fault
*Sound ... i have usb headphones.. the driver is the usb itself... sound frequently gets messed up. For instance if i have a flash movie loaded and pause it... i cant even start totem because "audio is already in use" . Secondly.. sometimes the audio goes into the background process... so even when i close the flash movie or whatever... the sound is still in use somewhere.. and i dont know which process to kill/restart so i have to log out then back in
*firefox crashing all the time ... im not sure if its the new flash plug in that i use or what but i crash firefox ALOT. and sometimes i cant even start it again because it says "process still running" so i have to find the process ID and manually kill it
*the windowing system is slow.. i have a 2 GB computer... 256 MB graphics card with binary nvidia driver... and the windows still fragment all over the place when i hold them and move them around... the cpu spikes. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes, let's use 32-bit even though 64-bit processors have been out for years. Hell, let's just disable that extra core, they didn't have one on the 386, why bother supporting it?
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