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What's New in Ubuntu 7.10? (a.k.a. Gutsy Gibbon)

onlamp.com — Oreilly's ONLamp.com digs into the changes Gutsy Gibbon brings to Ubuntu users.

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  • foxhaze, on 10/29/2007, -17/+10Looks cool.
    • ToadLeg, on 10/20/2007, -24/+4This is not a tagging section. It's a comment section. If you don't have one, don't click "submit comment".
      • lsweet, on 10/20/2007, -5/+25He did comment. He said it looked cool. Because, get this, it looks cool!

        Weird.
        • outsid3rNo17, on 10/21/2007, -3/+3Actually I agree with ToadLeg. I read the comments for something funny or insightful and wasting the first comment with a quick alternative of "first" should be punishable.
    • kazamx, on 10/19/2007, -1/+6This is a really long interesting article. If you don't know a lot about Ubuntu and what to get an "everything you ever wanted to know about ubuntu, but were too afraid to ask" guide. here it is.
  • eatspie, on 10/29/2007, -22/+6Whats a Gutsy Gibbon?
  • neiltc13, on 10/31/2007, -78/+7Still not better than Windows Vista and it looks ugly as *****. What is up with that godawful font they use for the interface? It looks like something a child would pick. Very unprofessional.

    I will stick to my Vista desktop (which has never crashed once and is utterly brilliant) and my Mac OS X notebook.
    • lordtyros, on 10/21/2007, -0/+34Don't hate. Celebrate. More competition is always good for us, the consumer.

      Unless of course, you work for Apple or Microsoft, in which more competition just means you have to work harder. In which case I apologize.
    • kdoig, on 10/20/2007, -7/+15you suck!
    • weir, on 10/19/2007, -4/+17Glad someone's Vista works, of the 5 computers I upgraded since release, only one of them is hasn't been rolled back to XP. If I didn't have so many Wndows apps for work, I'd be installing Ubuntu as we speak.
    • potp, on 10/20/2007, -5/+21for crying out loud you fail at trolling. at lest you could have used xp. everyone knows vista is *****.
    • Flamekebab, on 10/19/2007, -4/+8Even the high-end Vista installs I've seen have been awful. I've used virtually every Windows version to date (excluding the oldest NT builds and 1.0 and 2.0) and I've got to say Vista is very much a case of one step forward, two steps back. Some minor improvements are overshadowed by the massive failures. The usability is awful and the whole "are you the admin? Do you authorise this?!" pops up so often that it'll just be ignored. It was a good idea, but in copying it from *nix systems it seems to have left its merits behind..
      • subliminalurge, on 10/19/2007, -4/+2"and the whole "are you the admin? Do you authorise this?!" pops up so often"

        You do realize it takes about 30 seconds to disable that *****, right?
        • devinx, on 10/20/2007, -0/+130 seconds? I work in tech support and thru practice I can do it in five.
          • subliminalurge, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I was including the time needed to do a google search to find the instructions.
    • halobender, on 10/20/2007, -5/+2I like them both but for different reasons. Vista does look nice and I actually enjoy using it, but licenses and viruses suck. Ubuntu is a bit on the ugly side but little to no viruses and no licenses to fiddle with.
    • hartley, on 10/20/2007, -2/+6Those of you who say the interface is ugly:
      Guess what? You have no idea what you are talking about. Ubuntu interfaces are VERY customizable. With Compiz you can have the interface look just as crappy as Aero does.
      Also those who say they have windows only apps. Try your with wine, also try to find an alternative. The only software I cant find replacements for is proprietary software that I use while I'm at work. Over the past 6 months to a year I have gone completely to Ubuntu on my laptop.
      • neiltc13, on 10/19/2007, -4/+2Good for you but if the whole point of these things is to make our lives easier, running applications through emulators is not making it easier, is it?
        • mdinire, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3W.I.N.E. = Wine is not an emulator
        • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2It is certainly better than not running the application at all.
    • insanebrain, on 10/19/2007, -2/+5-"It looks like something a child would pick. Very unprofessional."
      They did that so YOU would feel at home ..
    • stevedclarke, on 10/19/2007, -1/+5SourceClosed, is that you?
    • bobangitanov2, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1screw you and the RIAA/MPAA
  • keyo, on 10/21/2007, -37/+29Yes. Yes. we know it is out okay. Enough ubuntu stories. I'm not anti ubuntu, I use it myself but this ***** gets boring after a while.
    • neiltc13, on 10/21/2007, -20/+6I have already dugg this comment. Sadly, I'm not allowed to digg it again even though it makes a lot of sense.
      • derekJAB, on 10/20/2007, -8/+5Ok, have one on me.
      • Phocion55, on 10/20/2007, -3/+16You called Vista "utterly brilliant" above.

        That doesn't make a lot of sense.
        • tech42er, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1neiltc is just a troll. Pay no attention to him.
    • r00tus3r, on 10/23/2007, -9/+52Who the ***** forced you to click the link? What, are the Ubuntu posts getting in the way of all your funny vids and pics? ***** you, this is an IT site first and foremost, and another Ubuntu release is major IT news.
      • keyo, on 10/19/2007, -7/+1It's not news if the same thing comes up 5+ times. The links just being all over the linux page is enough to ***** me off.
    • over90000, on 10/20/2007, -4/+13Now you know how we feel about OSX stories on Digg.
      • cquilliam, on 10/19/2007, -3/+1Agreed. At least the EXACT SAME Ubuntu story isn't posted back-to-back on the front page with people digging both of them. I don't mind Apple stories, but that was a bit much with the iPhone SDK story.
    • frsrblch, on 10/21/2007, -0/+13Just wait until Leopard comes out. THEN you will know the meaning of the word boring.
    • qber, on 10/19/2007, -0/+6Come on, this is nothing compared to when Apple products come out.
    • outsid3rNo17, on 10/19/2007, -3/+1*sigh* when in Rome do as Romans do.
      You guys are great, but all these stories about Apple & Linux that occupy the front page make up a sad picture. I would say that in real life, no body out of the IT sector gives a damn about Apple & Linux; but the truth is that where I live nobody gives a damn about Apple & Linux, including the computer engineers. If we fill our brains with these useless stories, we're making ourselves social rejects; or at least rejected by the cool & funny people. Yes, most geeks ain't funny and they ain't cool.
      • shredswithpiks, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2hey I'm a funny cool geek :(
      • keyo, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2The editor of new scientest said "Science is interesting and if you don't agree you can ***** off." Same applies here, non-windows software is interesting to me, it's something different from the old windows *****. Oh and don't forget you use linux everyday when you google.
  • youaredoome0, on 10/20/2007, -22/+9duplicate/spam, buiried
    • kdoig, on 10/19/2007, -6/+9who cares, maybe you've seen it twice but i haven't
  • kjd84, on 10/23/2007, -4/+32I cannot wait to see Ubuntu in 5 years time and see what they have become after ten versions! I have yet to install 7.10 but will do it shortly! I really believe OSS will be the future in computing as more companies organisations adopt it!
  • trex279, on 10/20/2007, -25/+6The interface is still unpolished and the fonts suck. Atleast in that respect, windows is waay better. The layout and proportion is also bad. I get more screenspace in Windows than in Ubuntu with the same resolution. But I still love Ubuntu, and hope they fix all this soon
    • onineko, on 10/20/2007, -3/+7Fonts and layout (title bars, menu bars) are far more customizable in Ubuntu (or Linux rather (or Gnome rather)) than in windows. Try Kbuntu or Xbuntu, or just download and use KDE or XFCE. To heck with your sucky font argument.

      BTW, 7.10's default background is much more pleasing, despite being more brown than orange...
    • babbling, on 10/20/2007, -3/+10You're probably going to whinge about being dugg down for "criticising Ubuntu," but that isn't the case. The reason you're being dugg down is because your complaints are far too vague to hold any meaning.

      When you say that the interface is "unpolished," are you able to provide an example? I've found the interface in Ubuntu to be more polished than any other Operating System I have used.

      When you say that "the fonts suck," can you be more specific? Which font are you referring to, and what exactly is wrong with it? The fonts I've come across in Ubuntu are fine for me, and are probably fine for all the other people digging you down because your vague assertions do not match the experience they have had with Ubuntu.

      The only specific point you have made is that Windows defaults to a bit more screen space for applications than Ubuntu does. I think that's a fair point, but it is also something that is configurable. If the default settings in either OS bother you so much, you will probably not regret spending the 60 seconds or so that is required to set up panels the way you like them.
      • trex279, on 10/20/2007, -6/+1You can't expect a normal user of linux to quantify his perception of the design's flaws... that's the software designer's problem. A user can only give qualitative comments. If I were a software developer, you'd have got much more specific comments, but I'm not. And I believe I'm not the only one to think so. Many people don't like the look of ubuntu much. And for all I know, that might be one of the factors that make ubuntu ever so slightly less appealing to users.
        • babbling, on 10/20/2007, -1/+7If you can't pinpoint what it is that you don't like, then your opinion is useless and invalid. Do you need to consult chefs to decide if you don't like burnt food because it is burnt?
          • trex279, on 10/19/2007, -5/+1When it is burnt, no. But when it is slightly off taste, unless you're a connoisseur or a chef, you can't pinpoint what exactly the problem is
        • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/21/2007, -0/+5Try going into System>Preferences>Appearances.

          In the Fonsts tab, click the 'Details' button. There are a few different settings you can try. IMO, the two best ones are
          1. Full/Medium Hinting (Like Cleartype. Thiner fonts, more difference between bold/normal. MS Claims this improves readability on LCDs)
          2. 'None' Hinting. (More like the Mac. Fonts not forced to align to real pixel grid, look slightly thicker. Preserves original font style better.)
  • Forklore, on 10/19/2007, -2/+11But...but what are the differences... you can't tell me about the visual differences and then not show pics. Also, what about those out there that have more complex machines with newer video cards, chip sets and RAID arrays? No quad core test? I mean really this was more of an Op-Ed than a review.
    • quamis, on 10/19/2007, -3/+0if it gets more user-friendly it cannot get any faster....
      It will only get fasten when gnome.kde teams starts optimizing their code..and at the rate of evolution of theese 2 projects, do not expect speed boosts very soon.
      And what do you want to test in a video card? the video drivers are basically broken. Missing a loits of features, and are slower than the win-versions... why? because there are still more win-lsers that actually pay to use the operating system(pay microsoft, microsoft pays hardware developers..)

      So unless you are thesting the ram speed or number-crunching... the test would be useless.
    • frsrblch, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1I have an 8800 GTS, and it works fine. The drivers have never been easier to load (and that's including Windows experiences). Can't say as I know how RAID will perform, or quad cores, but you could try it yourself. It's not hard to set up or anything, and every problem I've had was quickly settled via Google. 20 GB of hard drive space is enough to set up a partition and give it a go.
  • niviche, on 10/19/2007, -5/+2As great as Ubuntu might be (or is), you can tell that there is something wrong when an article about it features a picture of an "installfest" full of worried-looking geek guys and cable-salad (on the article's second page)
    • leftyfb, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5There are no worried-looking geeks in those pictures. I should know, it's me. We happened to have been chatting about some of the new Compiz features at that very moment, while the guy sitting on the computer was ordering pizza for the installfest.

      And what does "cable-salad" at an installfest (have a better idea for the speakers, monitors and external drives?) have to do with how well Ubuntu runs?
  • guinnessstout, on 10/21/2007, -20/+5What's new? Me burying this artical about a horrible linux distro. Let's see how fast I get dugg down.
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4Person makes basesless, inflamatory claim, is dugg down for it. News at 11.
  • Hmoobgolian, on 10/21/2007, -4/+8The new Gutsy Gibbon rocks!!! Almost everything works after install. A++ and many thanks the the Ubuntu team....
    • Remmy, on 10/21/2007, -0/+6That reminded me of an ebay comment.... "Great OS! Installed fast! A++++"
  • heliosys, on 10/20/2007, -8/+6It is not uncommon for Ubuntu fan boy to bashing red hat/fedora and other distro. Their version of Henry Ford's "Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black" is "Every computer user should have the freedom to download, run, copy, distribute, study, share, change, and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees as long as it is Ubuntu.
    • bashveank, on 10/19/2007, -1/+6Sadly, it's not uncommon for the reverse to be true as well. The Fedora as PCLinuxOS guys HATE Ubuntu, even the Debian guys hate Ubuntu, and that really boggles the mind, seeing as Ubuntu is even less than a fork of Debian.
      • Shadowman, on 10/19/2007, -2/+1The reverse is true because heliosys is exactly right. As a Fedora guy I don't HATE Ubuntu, but I do dislike over-the-top Ubuntu fanboyism. The "Ubuntu is perfect and every other distro sucks" attitude in the Linux/Unix section is what boggles my mind. Many, many Ubuntu fanatics couldn't care less about Linux in general, it's all about Ubuntu.
        • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -1/+3I think that perhaps this is more an issue of branding. Ubuntu is perceived as "the" distribution thats going to make it big. Some misguided folks might perceive continued loyalty to and promotion of another linux distro as infighting, and as 'trying to steal/divide ubuntu's thunder'.

          To be fair, there is actually some merit to the single-distro approach. The overwhelming size of the ubuntu community means that there is really fantastic community support for this distro. You are *not* the first person to post to the forums about a specific problem. As well, more and more linux-related projects release ubuntu debs because of the sheer number of ubuntu users. Even a year ago, this was not so much the case.

          I'm not saying that there *should* be only one distro, competition is a good thing, and if someone finds that another distro better suits their needs, I'm happy that they found what they needed.
        • init100, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3I completely agree. I'm also a Fedora guy, and I don't hate Ubuntu, but I dislike the "Ubuntu FTW, everything else sucks" attitude. I even downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 today to see if it would work on my systems (live-mode only, I'm happy with my Fedora 7 installations). It worked on my laptop, although I couldn't enable desktop effects (which I could with the Fedora 7 live-cd). It did not work on my desktop, as it probably misidentified my graphics card. All I got was strange unintelligible patterns on my screens after bootup. I couldn't even go into console mode, since it was all screwed up (on this system, Fedora 7 failed to start, but gave me a working console so I could install the nVidia drivers that way.
    • leftyfb, on 10/19/2007, -0/+4Who said anything about bashing of anything? I personally run Fedora, Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu as servers and Ubuntu and Windows XP as workstations(Ubuntu used 99% of the time). We have helped people installed Fedora and Suse at installfests and will continue to help anyone that needs help with almost any OS that comes our way.
    • rootneg2, on 10/20/2007, -1/+2Maybe; but that's really only the fanboys (who are ALWAYS flame-baiting trolls to anyone who isn't a fellow fanboy) and a small subset of the "hardcore" developers (who usually actually have valid, technical reasons for disliking another distro). While the fanboyism is by no argument annoying; I think that "bashing" coming from actual developers is usually more of the constructive criticism variety, and (though a bit caustic at times) is overall healthy dialogue for the linux community.
      • init100, on 10/21/2007, -1/+2"who usually actually have valid, technical reasons for disliking another distro"

        You mean like those guys that erroneously compare rpm to apt and conclude that rpm sucks because of dependency hell, without taking into account that rpm is more comparable to dpkg, while apt should be compared to yum?
        • rootneg2, on 10/21/2007, -0/+1no. not them (or you for that matter) since that isn't a valid argument.

          I'm talking about complaints over how runlevels are organized, or how device management is handled (which BTW the newer UUID fstab in ubuntu is terrible; obtuse and non-human-readable; just go back to the /dev/hda1 way....), or the more general philosophy of package management (ie comparing apt-get+dpkg+.debs with yum+rpm+.rpm as whole systems).
  • 350Zed, on 10/19/2007, -3/+4It still seems to have really poor wifi card support. My Linksys WPC11v4 shows up in Network Manager, and I see the SSID broadcasts, but when I try to connect to my WPA-secured hotspot I don't even get WPA-PSK as an option (I get WEP or LEAP only). Manual config doesn't work--I can add the WPA key there but it will not connect.

    HELP!!!
    • drewtown, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2from 2005 but may be what you are looking for http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-95591. ... or else just trying asking/doing a more detailed search in ubuntuforums they are very helpful
    • LocDawg, on 10/19/2007, -10/+1sudo apt-get install a brain
      • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3How does this help in any way. I presume that since you sit here insulting this fellow, that you know the solution to his problem? Please, tell us what it is?
        • 350Zed, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1I presume he's sitting in his mom's basement cursing his virginity.
        • LocDawg, on 10/20/2007, -0/+1lol, ubernet superheroe!
          phase 1) blacklistor broadcom kernel module
          phase 2) ndiswrapperss
          phase 3) buttsechs
    • Neodeusx, on 10/19/2007, -14/+0Uninstall that garbage and install some rock solid Windows Vista. I've been running it for months and can't get the darn thing to crash!!!~~
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3I have the same problem, networks show up, but theres never any signal.

      Turns out some of the Linksys wireless cards use broadcom chips that aren't really known for linux compatibility. I could go on a rant about it, but I'll just say that I use a tool called RUtilT for it, and it works well-ish.

      sudo apt-get install rutilt

      Shows up in Applications>Internet. You can view connections under the 'site survey' tab.
      • oldgeek, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1There's a great working fix in the forums at UBUNTU's web site. Takes about two minutes and no typing in commands. The only down side to mine was I have to use roaming mode and it tries to connect to other routers in my area on start up and I have to choose my router from a list.
    • craigyjack, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2you may try installing WICD - http://wicd.sourceforge.net/

      i currently use it instead of network-manager and gnome-network-manager. I find that it works much better connecting, especially with WPA. it is a real easy interface.

      just download the ubuntu/debian package at their website, uninstall network-manager and gnome-network-manager. then intsall the wicd package. if it doesnt do any improvement for you, you can always switch back. but it has done wonders for my wireless networking :)
    • rootneg2, on 10/25/2007, -1/+3first of all: not the right place to be asking. I'm sorry, but I have to digg you down.

      secondly: it sounds like you either need to install wpasupplicant to enable support for WPA encryption; or you have hardware issues. Linksys (especially with the wpc11's) are known for changing out their chipsets without telling anybody; so you'll first need to find out which particular hardware configuration your wpc11 uses, and then I would look around the ubuntu forums for that chipset. I would recommend a new adapter, however, wpc11's are known to be ornery with linux.
      • 350Zed, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1first of all: The Ubuntu forums have been consulted already, and have been of little help. Nevermind the fact that this is a free, unmoderated medium, and you're no one to judge where I can and cannot ask a question. It's arrogance like this from Linux dorks that turns the rest of us off.

        secondly: Buying a new adapter should not be the solution to poor hardware support. Read your own post and contemplate its stupidity.
        • rootneg2, on 10/25/2007, -1/+2digg is not a support forum. This IS the wrong place to be asking, as the comment is off-topic (only vaguely related) and you probably aren't going to be very successful in getting help. It's not arrogance, it's just courtesy to the other users of digg who don't want to slog through some thread of posting lspci -v outputs and back-and-forth debugging; that's what the ubuntu forums are for. Support for you problem here will only make it harder to find for somebody else experiencing the same problem; and annoy everyone else here for whom the topic is irrelevant.

          as far as buying a new adapter goes; yes, it is not an optimal solution, it would be much better if everything just worked in linux. Sadly, things don't and so I stick by saying that I would recommend against a Linksys WPC11 for anybody using linux. You can *probably* get it to work, but I know for a fact that there are a few WPC11 chipsets out there that simply flat out do no work with linux.

          if you're truly dead-set on getting your support in/on digg, we'll need more specific info: the output of lspci -v , iwconfig , and ifconfig would be a good place to start. Do you have wpasupplicant installed? are you using NetworkManager or some other wifi tray-tool or other roaming tool? what drivers are you currently using? is the problem new to Gutsy or did it also not work in Feisty?

          not knowing anything else; and with a brief google search for "wpc11 wpa" it looks like the rtl8180 drivers (the native linux drivers that you are probably using for that card) have spotty support, and you may have to use ndiswrapper with the winxp drivers if you want WPA support (although it looks like this card has problems with WPA in windows as well...). I have (fortunately) never had to deal with ndiswrapper, so i'm not really the right person to howto you through that process, but there are plenty of ndiswrapper tutorials around. If you can post up a link to your post in the ubuntu support forums I can try to offer some more help; but as of now this is the most advice i can think to offer.
  • baalzebub, on 10/20/2007, -4/+1i see a red hat ;^p
    http://oreillynet.com/onlamp/2007/09/26/graphics/U ...
    • leftyfb, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3As I posted above, all are welcome to the installfests ... more of a focus on Ubuntu, but we won't turn anyone away that needs help with other OS's.

      It's my hat :)
  • swings1940, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5I gave the 64bit edition of ubuntu a try with no luck on install. It wouldn't get past the partition point. The partition process would fail at 33%. I will give the x86 version a try tonight and hopefully things will go better.
    • tech42er, on 10/20/2007, -1/+1It should. 64-bit Ubuntu (or any OS for that matter) is not that well supported. If you still can't install it, try using the alternate install instead of the LiveCD. Good luck.
  • robertmf, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Hopefully, mencoder will be fixed along with ffmpeg. Tovid's disabling of mpeg2enc in favour of ffmpeg doesn't work either.
    • alpinweiss88, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1I have had to compile mplayer/mencoder myself.. there were some things that weren't configured in the included version that I needed. I use mencoder to rip my DVDs to divx files, and there were some that used an audio format that wasn't compiled in... can't remember off the top of my head what it was. Not to mention that the version I compiled is more optimized for my system. I do have some weird thing where some video files have the audio completely garbled, but they will play fine in totem. I've been using totem more and more for playing videos.. but I still need my mencoder script.
  • SiliconViper, on 10/20/2007, -6/+2But, does it install on badgers? ( http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badge )
  • Tezdoll, on 10/20/2007, -15/+6nothing windows or osx doesn't already have.
    • radam, on 10/20/2007, -2/+11You're right. Tsk. Short of having a lot of losers throw cash at it in exchange for overpriced software and poor quality, I guess that's a cross Ubuntu will just have to bear.
    • Tezdoll, on 10/20/2007, -7/+1My software works, yours doesn't = poor quality?
    • fuckingusername, on 10/20/2007, -2/+11 a big hefty price tag
      Linux will be the future learn it love it....
    • Phocion55, on 10/19/2007, -2/+11You're right. It's about what Linux DOESN'T have.....such as Vista's DRM-like WGA bloatware that brings no value whatsoever to the user.
      • Tezdoll, on 10/20/2007, -12/+0or easy of use, or better support?
        • tripzero, on 10/20/2007, -0/+8You've obviously never used Linux nor ubuntu. Burried for not knowing what you are talking about.
        • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Vista is a regression in the ease-of-use department compared to XP. My opinion is that XP was Microsoft's top. Now they are going downhill. I mean, 10 billion dollars for *that* (Vista)?
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3It has customizability. Don't like the default animations in compiz? Cchange them to anything you want. Don't like the default menus? Use Deskbar instead - It can take over all of the functionality. Actually, if you don't like that, theres also the Ubuntu System Panel, and Gimmie, both in the official repos. Not to mention things that aren't in the repos, like avant window navigator. Lets see you customize your OS like that!
  • vIk34, on 10/20/2007, -16/+2i wonder why everybody is exciting and amazed by ubuntu - they have done absolutely nothing new - they simply preinstalled every ***** possible and are mirroring the version...
    Gentoo and FreeBSD are heroes but Ubuntu is just a slow and bad designed 'Batch' distrubution...
    • gerryk, on 10/21/2007, -0/+11Oh, please... get over yourself. Ubuntu actually makes things easier and friendlier and, whereas, maybe not as 1337, as a distro, has done more for GNU/Linux and the FLOSS movement than any other.
    • gerryk, on 10/19/2007, -4/+1Oh, please... get over yourself. Ubuntu actually makes things easier and friendlier and, whereas, maybe not as 1337, as a distro, has done more for GNU/Linux and the FLOSS movement than any other.
    • bashveank, on 10/19/2007, -0/+4Honestly why do you care? Those who don't know a thing about computers will use Ubuntu or Linux Mint and be happy about FOSS, those of us who do know more about computers will use Ubuntu to springboard to another, more advanced distro like Gentoo. So either way you win, one way less than the other, but it's still a victory.
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3"heroes"? Seriously? This isn't a comic book, its just software. I'd consider myself comming down on the libre side of the whole freedom debate, but I'm kind of liking the fact that ubuntu gives you the abiltiy to easily (as in GUI) choose for yourself if you want binary drivers or not. THAT is freedom.

      Wow.
  • bclinton, on 10/20/2007, -5/+4I can tell you whats not new. That would be the non support of ATI video. 4th release in a row that it will not load without a 20 step manual process. Oh well maybe I should be more patient. After all Ive only waited 3 years....
    • mheath, on 10/20/2007, -0/+5It worked just fine for me using the Restricted Drivers Manager.
      • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1To see the RDM, you need working video. My desktop, with a nVidia card just showed strange patterns instead of the desktop, so I couldn't really use the RDM, even though it may have worked. OTOH, my laptop, with a Radeon Mobility X600, worked fine except that I couldn't enable desktop effects.
    • TeacherOfHeroes, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3Credit where credit is due, and by that I mean "blame ATi". As frustrating as I know it is, try imagining who you would blame if a peice of hardware didn't work well on windows? Probably the hardware manufacturer, I know thats who I would blame. (Looking at you, HP...)

      Back before I ditched my ATi for an nVidia with proper linux driver support, I was able to get at least the right resolution with the VESA driver. But yes, the fglrx setup is more complicated.

      On the other hand, have you tried envy?

      http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html

      I forget exactly how to use it (been a while since I needed it), but if its built-in instructions aren't enough, there should be something online with more information. Basically, it's a command line script to automatically download source for and rebuild the kernel with support for the fglrx driver.

      Unfortunately, you'll need to do this every time theres a kernel upgrade, but c'est la vie.
    • craigyjack, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2i am assuming these problems with be corrected once the ATI open source drivers become more developed. for the mean time, just blame ATI for their crappy linux support. now that AMD owns them, it should get better with the development of the new ATI drivers.
    • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Actually Ubuntu 7.10 worked better with my ATI-equipped laptop than with my nVidia-equipped desktop.
  • sq2shooter, on 10/19/2007, -1/+2I upgraded last night. Took about 4-5 hours to complete but I have not had the chance to play with it yet. Can't wait to see the improvements. It was the first upgrade I have done that worked on the first try.
  • codehkr77, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2I gave the ubuntu a try.. tried upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10
    fails at fetching something (im not unix savy) ... most forums say it is due to the fact that everyone is upgrading and servers are busy?

    any help?
    • DavidTangye, on 10/19/2007, -0/+6Just wait a while. As you said, the servers are overstretched. Else try to use a different server (Synaptic: settings->Repositories->Download From... If you select a slow server, cancel and try another.
    • euvirtual, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5As they told you on the forums... Wait a few days man. It wont kill you.
    • codehkr77, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1much appreciated
    • craigyjack, on 10/21/2007, -0/+3in my experience, upgrading inside the OS sucks. i always dld the new version and do a clean install. if you make separate partitions for your / (system files) directory and your /home (user files) directory, you will not lose any of your data or settings, and you will start with a fresh clean install of the new version. all you have to do is install the programs you had and then you are done, your settings are saved in your home directory
      • NOFXY, on 10/21/2007, -0/+1best advice ever. i did an upgrade from inside the OS from feisty to gutsy and there were some problems. since i'm still rather new to linux i decided to just do a clean reinstall, i backed up my home folder to another drive and after the install i replaced it and everything is working perfectly.
  • hartley, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5Gutsy Gibbon is the first Ubuntu release to work with my laptop (dell e1505) nearly 100% out of the box, with no issues what so ever. In my expierence with linux over the past 10 or so years, this is a VERY big deal.
    I believe Ubuntu now has the ability to become a competitive OS.
    • DavidTangye, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2Agreed. Its that last 5% of installation and configuration functionality that is making a big difference to a users' experience.
    • EricTheGrey, on 10/20/2007, -0/+1I have to agree. Gutsy has one thing new to it that made it more than worthwhile for me. Wireless!

      All I had to do on this version of Ubuntu was enable the restricted driver and let it download the firmware for my card and I had wireless, even after I rebooted. This is the first time I've seen it work since 7.06, and that was only briefly..

      Anyway, with any luck, once I finish installing everything I need, I'll be able to stop using the windows partition on the laptop altogether.

      EtG
  • fuckingusername, on 10/19/2007, -1/+4I just upgraded to from the 7.04 and I like it, The main difference is more support hardware, and now takes advantage of video cards on the desk top with effects, and many other things.
    7.04 installed flawless upgrade installed flawless. Get a try you will be Glad you did ,
  • kickarse, on 10/20/2007, -0/+4I have 7.10 on my domain network here at work. It's the first time it didn't fight me for proxy access through our firewall and I can browse my SMB servers out of the box. I didn't even have to edit any conf files.
  • Taomyn, on 10/19/2007, -7/+1If the say "Every computer user should have the freedom to download, run, copy, distribute, study, share, change, and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees.", then why do they lock down Firefox and make it so hard to use a standard version that can be updated whenever I want to i.e. weeks before Ubuntu get their fingers out!!!
    • shredswithpiks, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3umm.... what?
    • sanford42, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2yeah seconded.... "umm.... what?"
    • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Are you referring to the fact that you cannot update Firefox from the Help menu? The reason is that Firefox do not have write permission in the system-wide directories where it is installed. If you want that feature, install Firefox into your home directory using the binary that you download from mozilla.com.
  • alpinweiss88, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Is there anyone out there who has an nvidia card dual monitor setup, and performed the upgrade from feisty? When I upgraded to feisty, I had to wrestle with kernel/nvidia/xorg for several hours before I got it back to a working state. (and yes, I had saved my xorg.conf) I am holding off on doing this upgrade until I know I have a few hours in front of me to do it.
    • mheath, on 10/19/2007, -0/+0Yeah. It worked just fine for me. I didn't have to change anything. It just worked. To solve the black window problem with Compiz, I had to install the nvidia-glx-new package.
    • bytor4232, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Unless your video cards support twin view, you will need to run Xinerama and stick with Metacity for the window manager. Xinerama can't run with compositing. I gave up on twin monitors a while ago in favor of Compiz.
      • alpinweiss88, on 10/19/2007, -0/+0My video card does support TwinView (Geforce4 MX 440) but there were some annoying features with Twinview that I corrected by running Xinerama. I still think I'll wait a while to upgrade.. will allow some of the bugs to be fleshed out, and let the download servers cool off. :)
  • mariachi, on 10/20/2007, -7/+1Last one to cream on Ubuntu has to eat it!
  • CompIsMyRx, on 10/20/2007, -0/+6One comment: ***** YOU BULLET PROOF X! Took way too long to fix with that "Low graphics mode" popup that made it impossible to assess what was actually going wrong.
  • patterbt, on 10/20/2007, -2/+4This article is lame and the digg heading is very deceptive. It doesn't tell hardly anything as far as the "what's new" in Gutsy and is more of a "the story of ubuntu" sort of article than anything else.
  • Jareth86, on 10/20/2007, -4/+4My upgrade crapped out mid way and ***** up my laptop. With nothing left but a now-broken OS, I tried just doing a clean install and despite the live CD working fine, the actual install was still ***** up! Feisty Fawn was great. I was a retard to try and upgrade a perfectly good OS. It's like upgrading from XP to Vista, only it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg. Gibbon can suck my dick.
  • goldfenix, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2I just wanted to throw out there, for other Linux rookies (myself VERY included in that group) that this is the first Ubuntu release where I got the NVidia driver installed. And this time, it was super easy. So, yay Ubuntu!
  • swb50, on 10/20/2007, -7/+1More suckyness for the whole family to enjoy
  • tehbored, on 10/20/2007, -0/+4***** sweet. My printer may actually work properly now!
    • culbeda, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3I particularly loved this line FTA: "this is actually the first release of Ubuntu that I have ever successfully printed to paper, and now it's almost too easy"

      NIIIICE!
  • cairmen, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Interesting. I'd not heard of Xubuntu. Thanks!
  • Scyth3, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3This is the first time Ubuntu has installed on my laptop, with no issus at all. Typically I'd be ndiswrapping my wifi drivers, or fixing my printer drivers, etc. However, upon install of Gutsy I had officially no things to fix. I felt this is the first time that Ubuntu could become primetime.
  • fliguy84, on 10/19/2007, -0/+0Loving Ubuntu
  • Borvo22, on 10/20/2007, -6/+6Please stop digging every article that has the word/phrase Ubuntu or I-pod,mac,phone.
  • bincoder, on 10/19/2007, -0/+0It worked ok as a live cd on the real pc. I just wish it would actually install as a vmware one. It runs extremely slowly during the install then stops altogether. I waited almost 6 hours for it to continue the virtual install then got tired of waiting. When I do that using windows, the install happens just as fast as on a real pc. Most linuxes i've tried also install reasonably fast virtualized. I still would love to try it out (ubuntu) but I will not erase my well running windows or mandriva (dual boot) from the hard drive and install ubuntu to do so. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe a setting to reduce its memory consumption until the install is complete?
  • cdmarcus, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Whoah! I volunteered at that installfest! No pics of me, though :(
  • Acqua206, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1Been trying out Ubuntu for the first time ever, well any Linux distro for the first time ever. I had a few problems when I deleted 7.04 from the partition and had a boot error where I couldn't even access Vista. Installed 7.10 and everything boots fine but if I ever decide to get rid of it, I'll get that boot error again. Me thinks they don't want you to get rid of Ubuntu once you install it. So far, so good. Nice pretty little eye candy. Can't say I'm too impressed with Open Office though, seems a little drab compared to Office 2007.

    Is there an equivalent to Speedfan for Ubuntu? I have a huge cpu fan set at a low speed for quiet pc running and it sounds like a hurricane right now at 100%. I'm not comfortable at all with the CLI.
    • init100, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1"Me thinks they don't want you to get rid of Ubuntu once you install it."

      That problem occurs because Grub reads part of itself from the Linux partition. If you delete it, Grub cannot find that file and cannot load properly. I suggest rewriting the Windows MBR before deleting the partition. That way you won't be left with an unbootable Windows partition. You can rewrite the XP MBR either with the command "fdisk /mbr" in a cmd window or by using the command fixmbr in the Windows XP Recovery Console (sorry, I don't use Vista, so I don't know how to do it with Vista).
    • tech42er, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1The problem you had has o due with the Master Boot Record. This page ( http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p18.htm ... ) explains, in detail, the problem and how to remedy it. It's a bit technical, but it will show you what to do.
  • undauntedspirit, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Unfortunately for me, nothing but problems.... got to go back to 7.04 because of hard system lockups.
  • nerdalicious, on 10/19/2007, -0/+0I dig it and so does my family! Good article! Write more! We wanna hear more!
  • Baxter, on 10/22/2007, -0/+0Acqua206:
    If you're that new to Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular, your problem with boot errors may be a problem with the boot manager GRUB. One of the first things I had to learn when working with Ubuntu and Kubuntu is how to edit the file that tells GRUB how to work. Keep in mind that to edit that file and save your changes, you need to be operating with superuser privileges .
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