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- mclewell, on 10/21/2008, -3/+77I disagree about having Wine and Picasa pre-installed. I personally never use either of those apps and would end up uninstalling them. If they start going down that road then Ubuntu will start to become bloat-ware.
- weizbox, on 10/21/2008, -1/+33'Dragging an app on the second monitor and maximizing it shouldn’t be that hard to implement'
It isn't.. and it's been done for quite a while now. I've been using dual/triple monitors with Linux now since 2001. It's gotten a lot easier over the years, but it's always worked for me. - talkingwires, on 10/22/2008, -0/+22"...Wine (the windows app emulator)..."
Uh-oh. Somebody call the "Wine Is Not an Emulator" Brigade! - kernco, on 10/22/2008, -0/+19Stopped reading when it said Ubuntu was based on the "Unix core" and was "lightweight".
- Schottdb, on 10/22/2008, -2/+19Good video card drivers.
- mynameistux, on 10/22/2008, -1/+17Autodetect of how much RAM you have, and if you have more than 1 gig, asking if you want to speed things up, by loading things into your RAM, if you answer yes, running sudo apt-get install preload
- werries, on 10/22/2008, -1/+17Unused memory is wasted memory.
- Ansible, on 10/22/2008, -0/+16I don't like the scenario where you're in app A and you copy something. Then you close A and go to app B. Paste and nothing happens.
- macoafi, on 10/21/2008, -2/+17RE: Linux Audio
It sucks universally. Not an Ubuntu thing. Check out http://trilug.org/~crimsun/2008olf.odp ...the "and i liked it" slide, he's got a great Graphviz graph showing the insanity. - funklor, on 10/22/2008, -3/+18Sigh.
#1 "it’s based on the Unix core,"
No.
#2 "We all want flash, java and mp3 playback, do we really have to ask for it? Pretty please?"
Yes, you really do have to ask for it. It's not a technical problem, it's a legal problem. wine &> /dev/government
4 & 5
Ubuntu is a distribution, as in: it distributes software. Outside of tools that aide in the process it doesn't develop anything. If you need from _X request it from its developers.
I agree with #6 - zombiepig, on 10/22/2008, -8/+20exactly - that's why i dugg down this article. Ubuntu should never ship with a closed-source desktop app like Picasa.
- hamobu, on 10/21/2008, -3/+14Ubuntu is amazing! prety much works without a glitch. Well maybe one or two glitches, but I do not think that it is feasable to support all the hardware and software combinations possible without ever running into a problem. I was amazed at how easy it was to install ubuntu, and get everyting working. And I love all the software it comes with. Everyhing I could think of is right there. I love looking trough aptiture and seeing all the software that I could install if I wanted to.
The problem with the article is that using words like 'sexy' and 'useable' realy has no meaning.
In ubuntu I would like to be able to do more trough gui - not that I mind editing smb.conf, and ftab to get things done.
And since we are talking about samba, it would be nice if it were as easy to see ubuntu machine from windows machine, as it is to see windows machine from Ubuntu machine on a local network.
The ubuntu help page is not that helpfull and teaches you the most trivial things. User generated help page is more helpfull, but it is hard to keep things consistent trough different versions of Ubuntu, and it is geared a bit more to CLI. - Sparticuz, on 10/22/2008, -5/+16it ships with closed source drivers, why not software...leave the purists to gentoo
- southeastbeast, on 10/22/2008, -3/+12Agreed. Theme + sound is what is killing me. Yes I can play WoW and multi-box with keyclone via Wine!!! But my Ventrilo is a pain in the ass to setup! Yay sound, but what's that? No microphone? More tinkering. Please make it work out the box =) kkthx
- Gutterpunk, on 10/21/2008, -2/+11"End of the world's hunger and hope for all humanity" is missing from he list
- h3xstream, on 10/22/2008, -0/+8"As it is, Ubuntu is a great operating system, it’s based on the Unix core" informative ? think again
- SDL486, on 10/22/2008, -0/+8What is the theme that the author is using in this article (the first theme with the hardwood floors)?
- Bloodwine, on 10/22/2008, -0/+8If Ubuntu really wants to make a good stab at the desktop, they need to implement a better clipboard system. Glipper isn't good enough IMO (it's buggy and wonky sometimes). It's frustrating not being able to copy-and-paste between a few apps. Most apps behave, but there are those that don't play by the rules.
- MavRevMatt, on 10/22/2008, -7/+14I agree with your statement on Picasa, but I do think WINE should be installed by default, even if it's hidden in the background because in the future providing compatibility with Windows apps out of the box would be great for Ubuntu. Of course, right now WINE is not perfect so that's not a good choice, but it could be in the future.
- oomfoofoo, on 10/21/2008, -3/+10The next version of ubuntu will bring us pages upon pages of dupes of the release info & reviews.
- clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7Microsofts' address is 1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA.
One Microsoft way. They want things done only their way. They intentionally make it difficult/impossible for anyone else to integrate with them. Because if you can't then you have to buy another MS product.
No, I do not want Ubuntu to become buddy buddy with MS and have the ability to be taken over by a domain controller. - mahler, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7But does it work out of the box? And with which graphics-drivers?
- oobuntu, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7@sparticuz
picasa is not native (uses wine) and doesn't even integrate with the desktop - try adding a network share to scan for photos for example. noway should this be part of the distro until it is a native app at least. - zombiepig, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6It's just a mockup - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ...
- infiniphunk, on 10/22/2008, -1/+7No need for WINE here either.
- clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6Talk to the WINE devs, not ubuntu.
- inactive, on 10/22/2008, -1/+7I agree that they should not be pre-installed. I use both (and love them both), but I am not every computer user. This isn't Windows, which always has 80 programs pre-installed and cluttering your desktop and start menu that you'll never use.
Plus, closed source means closed source. Keep it in the closed source repos. It's really not that hard to do "sudo apt-get install bla bla bla" or to download the *.deb straight from the respective website. - clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -2/+8www.gnome-look.org
www.kde-look.org
Go find one. There's already tons. I don't know why people are complaining so much about the theme. It's sooo easy to change, there are already tons to choose from and you are never going to find a default theme that everyone is going to like. - Myonosken, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6Ignoring memory, it shouldn't take Ubuntu, a supposedly lighter OS, longer than my Vista installation to boot. Might be something to do with WUbi, but its still ***** slow at boot.
- stuffradio, on 10/22/2008, -0/+5I like Wine :)
- zeebo, on 10/22/2008, -2/+7Applications -> Add Remove [ search + select + password + install ]
is more difficult than:
Buy CD in store, put in computer, click install, type in cd key, type in windows password, click next five times, and reboot?
If you're going to pick an area where Ubuntu and Linux in general lag behind Windows, software instalation and management is by far the wrong choice. The right choices are quickly shrivelling up. Really the only one for me is gaming, and even then a $200 Xbox360 made more sense than a $300 copy of Windows + reformatting my hard drive. - bandola, on 10/22/2008, -0/+5Dugg for pointing out that audio and multi-monitor usage (at least if you want different resolutions on two monitors at the same time) isn't working well enough yet in Ubuntu. Those are actually the biggest reasons I turned back to XP, so I could multi-task on both my monitors and have 5.1 throughput from my soundcard.
- swmbuk, on 03/30/2009, -0/+5Looks awesome don't it i wanna know this too! It actually makes leopard look like *****...
- phantom_mullet, on 10/22/2008, -3/+8New theme.
Seriously though, there have got to be at least a few graphic designers out there capable of making a theme that is better than the current one. - ArthurSucks, on 10/22/2008, -1/+6Like a when windows had a live CD installer, package management that would update all of my apps automatically, come preinstalled with a FULL office suite, image editor, and was virus and spyware free?
Yeah, JUST like windows! - antiver, on 10/22/2008, -1/+6Doesn't work on any of the three machines I've tried it on. Multimonitor nightmares on my desktop, won't shutdown my new laptop properly, and won't boot up after installation on my old laptop. Fedora seems to work at first on my laptops... although I don't think I've ever gotten wifi to work seamlessly on any linux distro. Or my wacom tablet. Or my printer/scanner to work at all. And graphics drivers are a pain. Oh, and I've never gotten any audio on my desktop. ***** that's a lot of problems... I don't think I've ever listed them out.
I think Linux will have to stay confined to the servers I'm responsible for (where it absolutely kicks ass). - zeebo, on 10/22/2008, -0/+5The trick is making one that looks good and professional, while also being fast. There are lots of great looking themes out there that are too heavy to be usable.
- inactive, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4AGREED.
- clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -1/+5Depends on what you want to install. If what you want is already in the distro's repository of software, it's lightyears easier than Windows.
If it's not, it's just as easy to go and download a file and install it. Don't blame Ubuntu if the maker of the software doesn't put it in a .deb file. You'd have the exact same complaint if WinZip didn't come in a .exe format. Same thing, it would be just as hard to install something in Windows that wasn't properly packaged. Don't blame Ubuntu/Linux. - ExRe, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4How about better mouse/keyboard support?
Not all of us use generic keyboards and 2 button mice. And we definitely do not want to have to edit text files through terminal to get support for it's extra functionality. - BrendanSheehan, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4Is that the Predator's home office!??
- clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -1/+51) Go find one. There are already tons of themes out there and you can make your own easy. You are never going to make one that makes everyone happy. End of story.
2) That sounds like a lot of work. Why not just take the extra 15 seconds and put it into a repo and have it part of the Jockey hardware autodetect? You have the same issue on Windows. You have to go find the driver and install it. Honestly, I've not needed to do any "driver install" in any linux in probably 5 years or more. It just works.
3) Yes and no. They don't include some of those things for legal reasons. But, at the same time, those legal reasons are mainly just the USA. So it is kind of unfair for everyone else. I would like to see it just not install them if the locale is set to anywhere in the US, but the default for everywhere else would be to install them. Skype, Wine, Picsa, no thanks. I don't want that in a default install.
4) Actually linux in general has had amazing multi mon support long before windows did. It was harder to setup then, but there were people running 8 screen when Windows users were just hearing about this "dual monitor thing". As for the dragging and not maximizing thing, either it's a problem with the app or you're doing it wrong. That works fine and has for years.
5) That needs a lot of explanation. Linux has great power management support. It's just getting it working on all the different laptops and even the laptops that Microsoft pays to make it more difficult. Yes they do.
6) I have seen some issues with sound in the past. However, I must say in the past 1.5 years, I've had ZERO sound issues. Installing a new sound card was easier than Windows. Open pc, put in hardware, boot. That's it, sound just worked. No "Oh now I have to install the CD" then "crap, it installed a bunch of junk, why can't I just get a 3MB driver?" then "why is this driver 200MB?" install it then reboot and hope it works. Nope, install and boot. Done. - swmbuk, on 03/30/2009, -0/+3awww man :(, one day i hope all OS' will look this good!
- macoafi, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3My "2 hour" battery gets 2.5 on Ubuntu. If I turn off my wireless and turn down the screen brightness, I get closer to 3.
- dorkdork777, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3Maybe... he likes Linux in general, but he just needs those few Windows programs? Like me, I love my Linux Mint install, and I'd never think of going back to XP (*shudder*), but I still need a few Windows apps, like Rosetta Stone. Which works like a charm.
- hyperair, on 10/22/2008, -1/+4@DarkReign16: No, you keep telling yourself that with Ubuntu it's harder to install software. In Ubuntu I check a checkbox and the software is installed. Exactly what command line stuff are we talking about? Please, if someone tells you to apt-get install something, that does not mean that's the only way to install something. People just give command line instructions online because it's that much easier to get the point across.
In Ubuntu I check a checkbox to install software. In Windows, I look around for a website to download the installer, double click on it, click next about a dozen times, accept a few EULAs, click next another dozen times, maybe make a few choices, and then click Finish. In Ubuntu, I uncheck a checkbox to uninstall software. In Windows, I go to Add/Remove Programs. select the software I want to uninstall, and click remove. Then I click next about a dozen times, and accept a hundred different options, and finally when it's finished, I think it's fully uninstalled, but it's not. There are leftover registry entries, leftover dlls, and various other files that the program refuses to remove.
Now tell me again, which is easier for the average user? - markcrules, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3Right now Windows is number one, I wont argue with that. This was for the simple reason that for x86 architectures it took over from DOS, which for business at least, dominated the desktop. The problem windows has, and one it cannot escape from, is that all OS's are coming up to parity. They all have GUI's, they all use the same hardware, and they all offer similar functionality. As Linux improves (and it does need improving, no doubt), it will be harder and harder to differentiate the OS's, and very hard for Microsoft to justify charging £100's (sorry i'm British!) for something that is not radically different from the free offerings. There is only so much new you can do with a Desktop. This is where Microsoft will have a hell of a time pimping WIndows 7, 8 or whatever. No matter how good Windows 7 is, its still Windows. Once you have market dominance the only way to go is market share erosion and market fragmentation. This is what we are seeing now. I am not anti-Windows, I confess I use Ubuntu, because I WANT to, not because I dislike Microsoft. I am not the only one.
- rdavidson3, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3I get the same behavior in windows working between terminal sessions... really annoying.
- lassegs, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3But the mockup doesnt show any widgets, for crying out loud! I've seen it been used 100 times to show how good it could look, but all it does is showing you a panel theme and a background, blinged up with custom software, icons for Windows/Mac applications and Songbird. (Songbird doesnt use native GTK-theme, it has a lot of things going for it, but that simply isnt one of them)
Dust theme is good though. - clickwir, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3Maybe for some, I've been using Hardy and upgraded to Intrepid Alpha 5 and been upgrading right along on 3 systems with very different Nvidia cards with ZERO problems.
YMMV, as always. But I've not seen or heard of any major Nvidia problems. -
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