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- dirtman777, on 06/02/2008, -14/+261Sounds like Joost is politely saying fsck you to Linux users.
- daftman, on 06/02/2008, -5/+159Free market. Switch to some other server or service that provides what you needs.
- weizbox, on 06/02/2008, -17/+144'I'm heavily disappointed in your so-called "developers" who never seem to ***** respond on the forums. How about you fix this?'
That guy was an ***** to them... if anything he certainly wasn't helping them to be convinced. - B3Nji, on 06/02/2008, -36/+141i agree, i wont be using joost anymore.
- dramaticlemur, on 06/02/2008, -31/+110I want a Commodore 64 version
- KevinJim, on 06/02/2008, -9/+64If you using Linux, that's not much of an option.
- Kingoftherings, on 06/02/2008, -6/+60I haven't used Joost in a while, I tried to, and it was slow (I mean really slow), and the content wasn't to my liking.
I'll just stick with Hulu or some other Internet TV. - MattJF317, on 06/02/2008, -7/+59www.hulu.com
- phoenixp3k, on 06/02/2008, -17/+67This is pretty sad to hear. However I do understand their business reasons and it mostly has to do with the way they went about to developp their software. They promessed a DRMed plateforme distributors could have their content on. I don't see DRMed Windows Media Player files on Linux either.
Until the Linux market share becomes main stream like Mac has we have to look after ourselves and find solutions on our own. Otherwise I wouldn't be watching my DVDs on my Ubuntu laptop. - geoken, on 06/02/2008, -2/+39Why, he has a point. Every company needs to make a decision based on a platforms market share, and their software development budget.
They basically have to say "it's going to cost x amount to develop for that platform, so their market share must be at least y for us to re-coup" - JMPeronto, on 06/03/2008, -5/+40Linux users will be okay, Joost isn't worth it. Its totally over-hyped -- the programming is terrible and the interface is annoying. Stick to Hulu.
- Roger, on 06/03/2008, -25/+58If they don't port Joost to DOS pretty soon I'm gonna be pissed.
- ant1832, on 06/03/2008, -7/+38I understand why so many people are so upset, but everyone needs to realize that if they only have limited development bandwidth then they are going to put their efforts where they'll get the most roi...it's called running a business.
- Hickeroar, on 06/03/2008, -20/+46Like it or not, from a business perspective it's the smart thing to do, at least for right now. Linux market share is stuck at the same level and hasn't notably changed in a long time. Linux users also aren't very well known for being willing to pay for anything software related.
I'm sure WINE will have support for it before long anyway. - parax, on 06/03/2008, -0/+24The idea that Linux users aren't will to pay for software is a fallacy. Linux users pay premium prices for software like Adobe CS3, 3D Studio Max, MMORPGs (e.g. World of Warcraft). Using Linux has nothing to do with wanting to get stuff free of charge, it's about minimizing or removing restrictions in how you use things. Being able to listen to music in any format or location you choose, owning the content you create and being free to share your stuff with other people.
It's a mischaracterization, at best, to describe Linux users as freeloaders who aren't willing to pay for software. There's no shortage of businesses who rake in money hand over fist from Linux users. Companies who cater to Linux users usually don't complain about their customers being unwilling to pay, it's only people and companies who want to justify not developing a Linux version that use that rationale. - wphj, on 06/03/2008, -6/+29Well, that Linux user not-so-politely said "I'm heavily disappointed in your so-called 'developers' who never seem to ***** respond on the forums. How about you fix this."
Joost is a company, they do what they need to to make money. From their standpoint, concentrating on their Mac and PC versions will bring in more revenue than using those resources on a Linux version. - estvir, on 06/03/2008, -55/+76Oh shut up. People are sick of you people whining because something doesn't support Linux, get over yourselves and realise there is no real actual reason why they /must/ support Linux.
When you chose to use Linux you chose to accept the downfalls that come with that. - n0odles, on 06/02/2008, -13/+34Joost service to begin with was garbage. I bet they're running LAMP servers too. What a "***** ass."
- mlw4428, on 06/02/2008, -6/+26I'd like to throw something in here:
Joost makes their money off of the commercials they play. We're talking a 1-2% (2% being the upper end) of a separation of the usage of Linux/Mac OS X with Mac on top. That's not a hell of a lot of difference in revenue and they've got a Mac OS X client. It wouldn't take much to translate that over to Linux.
What's sad is the amount of Linux users begging for it and Joost doing nothing about it. - cowanh00, on 06/02/2008, -13/+31I just removed my account with them after patiently waiting for a Linux version. I'm so disappointed with Joost, it could have been so great..... :-( Oh well Miro comes pretty damn close! :-D
- DeathfireD, on 06/03/2008, -1/+18"Linux users also aren't very well known for being willing to pay for anything software related."
Last time I checked Joost was free. - shadoweva09, on 06/02/2008, -4/+19I tried their service once, and it crashed almost every time i tried to watch something, who cares about terrible software not being ported to Linux?
- Protoss, on 06/03/2008, -7/+20It runs on OSX, so it can definitely be ported to Linux very easily. It has nothing to do with DRM, and everything to do with just ignoring their users.
- skyshock1, on 06/03/2008, -3/+15Someone will invariably clone it and we'll see a few busted knock-offs named KJoost and gJoost.
great. - mlw4428, on 06/02/2008, -4/+16These threads have been around for ages...not a single developer or official response was ever heard from Joost. Part of good business is letting people know if you plan/plan not to support their platform.
In the couple years since Joost came out without a Linux version I'd assume they've made their choice, but decided not to tell the many Linux users who were using Wine (still creating ad-revenue for them) while waiting for a Linux version. - yacks, on 06/03/2008, -0/+12I love Hulu.. watched all of arrested development there
- knuckles, on 06/03/2008, -3/+13You can get Joost for Linux right here:
http://www.paulyanez.com/labs/joost/
Make sure you have Flash 9 plugin and you'll have full Joost capability (not kidding).
PS: It's not Joost, but it's tied into every major video provider and looks and feels exactly like Joost. It's a complete clone of the UI done in Flash. - Checkerd, on 06/03/2008, -3/+13They can go suck a *****.
- Jexie, on 06/02/2008, -2/+12I miss the good ol' days where you had to be able to write to post on Digg.
- knuckles, on 06/03/2008, -1/+11Well, I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that they don't have a working business plan and that all their original sources of funding have all publicly stated that they will NOT be funding them when they go for their second round of funding later this year. These guys are not doing very well at all.
http://newteevee.com/2008/05/23/joosts-investors-c ... - fLUx1337, on 06/03/2008, -2/+12http://www.joost.com/whatson/popular
^^why I stopped using Joost a looong time ago - its content sucks! - nailer, on 06/03/2008, -0/+9> Linux market share is stuck at the same level and hasn't notably changed in a long time.
Er, no. It's doubled in the last year. And guess which OS ran last years biggest XMas gift in tech?
Luckily the 'IPTV' link on the eeePC runs Miro. - amirman, on 06/03/2008, -1/+9it's partially awesome, the player is actually really cool, as well as the interface, what joost lacks very much is GOOD CONTENT. i used it for a while, watched the 10 or 15 interesting videos on it and then waited patiently for more good content to arrive. it never did. Now that i use Ubuntu i don't miss joost in the least. there's always Hulu.com which blows away joost even if they dont have the killer desktop application.
- mlw4428, on 06/02/2008, -4/+12There's not much difference between mac os x and Linux market share (we're skinning off of single digit percentages).
So his point fails. - shadoweva09, on 06/03/2008, -15/+23I wish they'd actually try programming such a thing for Linux, so they could truly understand why no one wants to program graphical applications on Linux.
- dawnraid101, on 06/03/2008, -5/+13Joost is a peice of ***** compared to Hulu.com, and if your outside of the states and cant watch it just download a peice of software called hotspot sheild and it will work (VPN giving a US ip)
- hobophobe, on 06/03/2008, -0/+8Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.1
Close enough - westyvw, on 06/03/2008, -3/+11That makes little sense. Its not hard at all to make any kind of application on linux, and you can choose the degree of difficulty depending on the toolkit or library you choose to build it with.
- csixty4, on 06/03/2008, -1/+9The least they can do is abide by the terms of the licenses for the code they use. Anything else is icing. Yes, it would be nice if they released a Linux version as a "thank you" to the community, but they're not under any obligation to do so.
- shadoweva09, on 06/03/2008, -3/+10*and then after that you have people bitching about "look and feel" when there are applications like blender that prove you can accomplish so much more by throwing out all conventional design and starting over. As if choosing between gtk, qt, opengl, X11 etc... wasn't bad enough already.
(in blender's case five minutes of work seems like 20, and you seem to have produced 20 minutes of work too.) - AwesomousPrime, on 06/02/2008, -9/+16Linux Is something that needs to be recognized by software company's. I bet if all the Linux users removed themselves from joost, the amount of users would drop low enough for the company's joost wants on the network to think twice. Joost sucks anyways. good idea, just really horrible programming.
- inactive, on 06/03/2008, -4/+11Regardless, It's the least they can do for using OSS in their own software... It's already partially cross platform anyways...
- bpapa, on 06/03/2008, -1/+8Proper use of apostrophes should be recognized by Digg commenters.
- Hermmunster, on 06/03/2008, -2/+8The effort to produce a linux version considering Joost is built on open source tools, shouldn't be too much effort. I think their managers are illiterate in the area of OSes, etc. They most likely have good knowledge in how to market a product and do programming of channels but they don't understand the computer world. And considering they have already done it on the Mac means it should be an easy job for their programmers to port.
- thielmann, on 06/03/2008, -1/+7https://www.joost.com/account/edit.html
- Epio, on 06/02/2008, -3/+9how did you get your account removed, cuz i also want to do the same?
- daftman, on 06/03/2008, -3/+9You're contradicting yourself.
>'m a Linux user
> I've recently switched to Mac
So you're no longer a Linux user
>I'm amazed to see how whiny some of the users can be.
We're consumers. That's what consumers do. Whine and express their opinions. When comcast block bittorrent, users whine. When creative take down a free driver, users whine. When iPhone don't support Linux, users whine. May be being a Mac user probably got you used to taking everything that was handed down.
> Get this straight - no business owes the Linux community a version of their software.
Technically, no business owes any community a version of the software even Windows or Mac. So your point is moot. But when you're playing in a changing market, you have to be smart to predict the future instead of sitting around and waiting for trends.
> I'm all for open source, but people seem to think that every software developer should be required to provide a Linux version for free.
Why not? The rest of the other versions for other OS are provided for free. Their business models don't charge people for players so why should it start to cost now?
> bottom line is that it is still a minority operating system.
That's changing very fast. Might well be a minority for your household but look at the smart phones, notebooks, cellphones, game consoles that are released using Linux.
> Joost is looking to expand to a large base of users quickly and start turning a profit - Linux does not currently meet that business model.
True, that's why people will vote with their dollar. - MattFromSeattle, on 06/03/2008, -19/+25I'm a Linux user and I hate to say it, but I don't have a problem with Joost not developing a Linux version. I've recently switched to Mac and now that I've had some distance from the Linux community, I'm amazed to see how whiny some of the users can be. Get this straight - no business owes the Linux community a version of their software.
I'm all for open source, but people seem to think that every software developer should be required to provide a Linux version for free. While I support Linux and I appreciate that it is gaining a larger base, the bottom line is that it is still a minority operating system. And I know I'll be dugg down for not swearing my allegiance to Linux, but let's face it, Joost is looking to expand to a large base of users quickly and start turning a profit - Linux does not currently meet that business model.
And to top it off, the guy was a total prick in his post. That's definitely not the way to attract a positive response. Unfortunately it seems to be the attitude that is gaining traction amongst some of the Linux community. I hope it's just a trend from new users and that those of us who have been involved with Linux longer than just the Ubuntu distro can get things back on track. - mrsteveman1, on 06/03/2008, -1/+7Linux and OS X aren't all that similar at the high levels, they use different windowing systems, completely different high level APIs for graphics, audio, and video.
If the Joost app is written to take advantage of native APIs, its not something they can port easily.
You are right about it not having anything to do with DRM though, the drm is built into the client and isn't a native system function on the platforms Joost runs on, neither is the codec they use etc. -
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