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- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28This entire article was grabbed (legally) from:
http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Steam
I regularly read linux.wordpress.com, but I really think that the maintainer needs to improve the way he acknowledges the source of the content. It's usuaully obscure and no blackquote markup is used. - Redemption289, on 10/19/2007, -1/+24Yeah... about that... It seems like that is a common argument for people who don't run Linux. Truth is, there is a lot of good software out there that is made for windows. The problem is that there is an impetus TOWARDS windows because it is so main stream. If the software were developed for Linux it would 1. probably run better, and 2. we probably wouldn't have the problem of creating a good emulator for windowsesque things...
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21it looks a little old - Wine has changed to using git instead of cvs since then.
- Protoss, on 10/19/2007, -1/+19Spend a majority of the time? Have you ever tried Wine? All I did to get Source working was 'apt-get install wine' and then just copy my Valve folder from my Windows drive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18reed:
>I think I'll just continue to use Windows XP and not bother with messing around with settings just to get a game to run. Funny how people brag about Linux constantly on this site, but almost every other article about linux is how to get things to run like windows.
That's what's called "migration." People like myself are learning how to set up and use existing applications on Linux so we're not tied to Windows. It's not really "funny" it's a natural progression to a better product while maintaining the legacy (Windows) applications.
You'll get there eventually. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14D3Koy:
>Ok, no offense but when was the last time anyone PAID for a Microsoft OS?
When most people bought their computer, bundled, without their informed consent. - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15We're at war, pick a side...
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Simple. A) It's not half-ass emulation. B) It's totally worth $5 not to have a separate Windows partition and have to reboot every time I want to play DoD:S, and reboot again to get back to the rest of my apps.
Linux is only a dead end for serious *Windows* gamers. I play tons of games on my DS, Wii, and Linux PC. - themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Now if only I can get Source games working properly for Windows.... Damn CMESHdx8 errors... failed to lock index buffer..... *rambles on*
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12trounce:
>A Windows box requires specially made trojan/rootkit software that is hard to find much less write whereas a *nix box only requires a bash prompt and some skills. Ask any hacker/cracker and 9/10 they will tell you that *nix boxes are more desirable than Windows because they are extremely powerful and tend to be used on well connected boxes which host "important things".
Yes, Unix and Linux machines do tend to host important things. The reason they host important things is because they are more difficult to crack. It's not an accident, that's why server admins like myself pick them.
>The bottom line is that Windows is much easier to install, operate, and fix than a Linux PC.
Install? Nope. It's faster to install Linux now than it is to install Windows. Seriously. Try Vista or even XP pro against something like SLED (Suse). It's pretty close if not faster to do the Linux install.
Operate? Well, there isn't much to "operate" on either system, they're both point and click. For a Windows user, yes it would be more difficult to operate a Linux machine, and vice versa.
Fix? Linux machines just don't need to be fixed. They avoid things like shared dlls and thus prevent the dll hell that we've all experienced under Windows. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"I also think the problem is that if game developers create games under Linux, this means that they need to be free. "
Huh? Why? Sin, Quake4, Doom3, Darwinia, X2: The Threat, UT, SoF, Tribes 2, and many many other commercial games have been developed for Linux. None of those were free. Also, I could care less what OS you use. I use Linux because it's right for me. Just because there's a handful of Linux users trolling digg doesn't mean you've improved the digg community by being a trolling Windows user. - negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15because $5 is less than the cost of a copy of Windows? *****.
- Redemption289, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I was playing CS Source on my laptop in Linux (gentoo distro) just a little while ago actually. Runs alright.
- karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The games are made to work with Windows. Nowhere on the box do they claim that they will work in linux. Therefore these extra steps are necessary. If more people would convert to Linux than game makers would see this trend and possibly start making games that can run in Linux without the help of WINE. I don't play many computer games so I don't care for all this but I do believe that Linux is a cleaner much more intelligently thought out OS (see Start > Run > regedit vs foo.conf)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11pcgeek:
>Yeah, I find that amusing, too ... I mean, if Linux is such a great o/s, why do you have to spend a significant portion of your time "getting things working"? All I do is install Windows, the programs I use (which simply involves clicking Next a few times), and ... use them. :-)
I wish! No, to run older applications on Windows I have to set up "compatibility mode" and often various settings on the games themselves. Some games simply cannot be run (see the latest compatibility issues of Vista for examples). Additionally to install Windows I have to deal with serial numbers and keys and online updates that have to be installed quickly -- before the machine is zombified.
No, you just believe that it's easy to install under Windows because you don't deal with legacy Windows software, and you've blocked out most of the hassles that you confront when doing it. - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"if game developers create games under Linux, this means that they need to be free"
What the hell? No it doesnt.. Quite a few games have native linux binaries. - KSOVII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Interesting English in this article...
- andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I have been playing Valve games on GNU/Linux for awhile now - they work perfectly, run fast, and the only thing that doesn't work is some complex shaders.
- QuixoticSmile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I digg this because it's extremly helpful to those wondering how to play windows games on linux. It's not perfect, but it's definatly better than nothing. However, I think they should reference the original source http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Steam
I see some diggers commenting on how easy it is to install and get things working under Windows. But in my case, I don't use Linux because it's easy to use(And for me, I find the command line so much more efficient than a GUI interface most of the time) but I use it because of my philosophy. Just like I try to shop only at locally owned business's rather than big, corporate ones. Linux is the best of many worlds, the first being the obvious, it's free as in beer, second, there's no limits to what you can do, open source gives you the ability to modify anything you want in a program, don't like something, learn some code, and change it. Don't like the way something looks? Everything is completly customizable, and fairly easy for the average linux user to change.
Learning Linux has a stepper learning curve than Windows or OSX, but it pays off. Actually knowing what your system is doing, makes it a lot easier to fix problems when they occur(rarely) and helps you get the most out of your OS. The great thing is, after I get my system and desktop setup how I want. I can have it continuously update everything when it's available, and use my computer with no worries of virus's, spyware, crashes. And I won't have to actually touch anything in my system. Which helps me focus on actual work. And without having to run antivirus software in the background, it saves alot of resources that I can put elsewhere, like using Beryl to make my desktop look pretty.
Beside exceptions like configuring wine, installing new software on linux is actually easier in most cases than windows, just by typing(In Ubuntu or a debian based distro) 'sudo apt-get "Name of package"' it automatically fetches what I want, installs it, and keeps it updated.
If you're an average computer user, than linux might not be your first choice, nor do I think it has the gaming power that most gamers currently want, it's really worth it to get your hands dirty and try it out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Kwipper:
>We do not want to have to go through 30 billion steps to do something we could easily do in just 1 to 3 steps in Windows. Until you can do this, STOP TRYING TO GET US TO CONVERT TO LINUX AND SHUT THE ***** UP!
I don't think anyone is trying to get you AOL users to switch. Stick with your Windows.
>Yeah I know. I am just doing my part to piss off the Linux users by trolling in their threads, just like they come over to our pro-Microsoft threads and troll.
Those nasty people do that to your "pro-Microsoft" threads? What's wrong with using both OS's? I use Linux for server applications, serious work, secure work and important high priority programs, and Windows for games, but less so now. - twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just use cedega. Starcraft works perfectly. So does warcraft, diablo, half-life 2, far-cry, oblivion, steam, etc. My friend even bought WoW:BC the day it came out and it worked great on cedega.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"They avoid things like shared dlls"
Huh? What do you think all of those files in /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, and /usr/X11R6/lib are?
I'll give you one guess as to what the ".so" in "libcurses.so" stands for. Hint: it's a "______ object." - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7$5 means taking my lunch to work one day instead of eating out. Big whoop. You are willfully missing the point. These aren't 'bastardizations' of Windows game. They *are* Windows games. And the few I've played in Cedega/Wine work indistinguishably from when I used to play them in Windows. You talk about hassle. Hassle for a Linux user such as myself is rebooting into another OS for two or three apps. I can play the Windows games *I* want to play in Linux.
Look, Linux isn't for hardcore Windows gamers. Period. And we get that. But as one, you've got to understand that for many of us, being able to play every single Windows game released simply isn't a high priority. - reed311, on 10/19/2007, -25/+31I think I'll just continue to use Windows XP and not bother with messing around with settings just to get a game to run. Funny how people brag about Linux constantly on this site, but almost every other article about linux is how to get things to run like windows.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Windows -- It just works. I'll stick to dual booting Linux and Windows. When Linux can run all apps and games made for Windows, I'll make the complete switch. Hopefully it will happen one day."
Umm ok, so if all the apps on Linux are better than the Windows counterparts, you will still refuse to use it because the WINDOWS apps don't work under LINUX? You're an ass. - Bleach00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ Splinecl
Um, read the article and you will find that source games work under wine. - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Your wish is my command?
http://www.silwenae.org/blog/?p=536 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Actually bilbus, depending on the game, some actually run faster on Linux than on Windows.
Food for thought. Stay with Windows if you want to... - twelvedogs, on 10/19/2007, -0/+4They're pretty much always slower, it's not a huge hassle but it does take an hour or so to get your first game going
- SnowFire, on 10/19/2007, -1/+5Seems like too big a hassle. How's the performance? Any increases or does it run slower?
- CircleFusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@splinecl
It is not true that Wine ONLY works with games from 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago.
Wine works with many of TODAY's games.
The Source engine debuted in 2004, but it is constantly updated and improved and used in games that came out in 2006 or are planned to come out in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_engine
Look, gaming in Linux is not perfect. It is a big obstacle to moving to a Linux Desktop. But don't undermine the achievements of projects like Wine by posting misinformation just because you feel like being an *****. - axiomofstealth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Flashbangs in Source are a bit screwy, everything else works great. Now I can use Amarok and play CS, it's great.
- talman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ah free content via creative commons.
- kill4killin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I tried doing this and I'm gettig some sort of error:
"Xlib: extension 'XFree86-DRI' missing in display ':0.0'."
Not sure what to make of it because it happens at the 26% update point they say in the article, but doing the fix that he links to in the article brings the same errors.
Anyone else having this issue, I would love to run HL2 on here. - Qenton, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It's not that people are bragging about linux as much they want what they have on windows via other operating systems, especially open source free ones.
- Redemption289, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This stuff isn't exactly new (although really cool). Wine can do source stuff, but not VERY well. If you are really serious about wanting to game on Linux, check out Cedega. Cedega's team is dedicated to improving Linux compatibility for all of the hottest titles using what they call WINE-X. At any rate, the draw back is that its something like $5? per month. HOWEVER, as much as I hate microtransactions, I think it is well worth it in this case because of the work their crew has to put in. If you are really stingy, then you can just pay a one time fee to get the software and then cancel your subscription. At this point your current Cedega software should still work, but you will not have access to useful things like updates or voting (thats right you can vote). WINE is a good free alternative, and it is also worthy to note that it can run other things besides Steam and the Source engine. Basically any Blizzard Entertainment game, and many others (I don't know... I haven't experimented with TOO many). Anyway, just be sure to anticipate some problems. They run, but running through an emulation layer always has its drawbacks (although I would say not having to use Windows outweighs).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7pcgeek:
>I don't run anti-virus software, I don't run anti-spyware scans, and I run as a basic user account (not Power User, or Administrator). I'm fine, TYVM.
Are you? How would you know if you don't run any software to identify the infection. Proof by anecdote. You might be, but you'd be the exception rather than the rule.
>BTW, what "legacy software" do I need to run to get my work done? There are modern versions of every possible software I could want to use, many of them open-source or trustworthy freeware.
I don't know what "legacy software" you need to run to get your work done, given that in my mind you're an unemployed gay porn photographer. Perhaps you need photo editing software. I have no idea. Whether you use free software on Windows isn't the point either, although that's a good way to begin migrating, most people like myself want to get rid of their old operating systems due to the overhead of managing bug fixes, viruses, etc. WINE is an excellent migration path. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You sound like you do Linux a favor. Linux is available for free.. use it if you like don't use if it doesn't work for you.
- thepxc, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3You don't have 3D accel. Try updating or changing you drivers.
- srg13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Where exactly does everyone get this idea that games run slower on Linux than they do in Windows? Depending on the game, some run faster on Linux. It's not like playing them in a virtual machine. Wine is not an emulator, it just translates system calls.
- nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I got Steam to work a few weeks ago, but the when I use the microphone it causes the pc to lock :(
- ellisgl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was hoping for benchmarks..
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6When you grow up, stop playing computer games, actually use your computer to get work done, have a job, and don't want spend your hard-earned money on a copy of windows. Then maybe you'll consider switching.
- capitapf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Im going to bet that you have very little if any experience with linux. you do have a point that SOME things in linux require more work than the equivalent in windows (mainly running windows apps ;) ) but for the average user getting things done in linux is easier (ie installing software).
- axiomofstealth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think there is problems with microphone, I haven't even tried that.
Also, I have the same mouse as you. I use a thumb button for walk, and it worked straight away for me, just had to bind the button. - jaguarjaws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I installed Starcraft on a Linux laptop several months ago using Wine. The setup was painless and it ran with no problems. Of course, if you were looking for a Linux native implementation then stalefries' link looks promising.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It's also not an accident that the vast majority of vulnerabilities tend to be discovered in open source software due to its nature. A properly secured computer is difficult to crack regardless of the OS."
Seriously, are you out of your mind?!
"vast majority of vulnerabilities tend to be discovered in open source software"?
Look at the viruses and malware out there for Windows, and compare that to Linux.
No comparison.
(I don't know how to expand on this - you just seem to be completely wrong.)
"due to its nature"?
No. Look at OpenBSD. In the their whole history they've had 2 security holes, iirc.
Even Linux is way more secure than Windows, and that isn't security-obsessed like OpenBSD.
It's been just about proven that the security boost from having more eyes read the code is greater than that of 'security by obscurity'. - noisey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A few questions then...
Does the microphone in-game voice chat work?
Is there support for MOUSE4 and higher (Logitech MX518). I have to use the mouse thumb-button for "last weapon". - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well said. I picked up Linux for a couple different things, one of them being to challenge my mind a little and learn something new. While it is easy to do stuff in Windows, one tends to get lazy when things are that simple. I have had a blast configuring Ubuntu and getting everything working. I have had my issues, but I feel comfortable where I am at and actually wince a little when I have to log onto my Windows partition. I will give this a whirl, because that is the reason why I have a XP partition.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4OMG, you are so stupid. Using WIndows software on Linux is a hack. It's like using gas in a Diesel car. However Linux games work very well, UT2004 for example worked just as well if not better on Linux than on Windows.
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