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- tehrob, on 10/11/2007, -6/+141i would vote, but don't want to register :( sorry.
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+37Why can't Canonical advertise Ubuntu?
- NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+37As long as it's not that retarded one about how most intruders come in through Windows, I'm for it.
- mindsnare, on 10/11/2007, -11/+34Sorry guys, this is bloody ridicuous, you're voting in a meaningless poll which dell will take no notice of, and even if they did it would be completely pointless. A lot of people don't even know what an operating system is, let alone linux, let alone ubuntu. Face it, 90% of people are completely ***** oblivious to anything computer related around them, and they refuse to learn. They just turn up to work, sit at their workstation, do something stupid, and call up one of us schmucks to fix it for them. They are retards, every last one of them.
jesus.....I think I had a bad day at work. - Spr0k3t, on 10/11/2007, -12/+33Have to agree there. Why would I want to register on a site owned by a company I can't stand.
- roxya, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23The sad thing is, most of the zealots asking Dell to sell Ubuntu PCs and advertise for them are never going to actually buy one.
- Guard, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21They won't start advertising. The people who buy Dell machines don't usually know what they're doing.
I guarantee if they started advertising, people would start buying them, thinking, "I'll save a lot of money getting this one!", then they go home and try to install word, to find out they can't. And then they look for the little e for the internet, and can't find it.
Dell would get a lot of calls from confused people that don't understand linux is not windows and that all the windows software they have bought probably isn't going to work anymore. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18You want Dell to sell computers with ubuntu pre-installed
You want the ubuntu logo to replace the windows logo on the windows key
You want Dell to offer a big discount on ubuntu machines
You want Dell to make commercials advertising ubuntu
What are you going to bitch about next? Brown cases? A big ubuntu logo on the computer case? Vote for Dell to get rid of Windows & keep only ubuntu? You fanboys are a bunch of crying little pussies. Never satisified. Probably the biggest whiners are the ones that never even bought a Dell with ubuntu installed. How many of you actually bought a Dell with ubuntu? Apparantly, not very many people did, cause you fanboys would have posted about your experiences with your new computer here on Digg. I've only seen one or two of those. Why aren't you just satisfied with what you've got? - baalzebub, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16most people are annoyed by advertising until the product being advertised is something within their range of interest...
- AstralSin, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21@jimbojim
when was the last time you used Ubuntu? I deal with people that use Ubuntu and and people that use Windows every day. I hear FAR more problems out of Windows users than Ubuntu users. - Phocion55, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18I am actually having a very pleasant experience with my Ubuntu Dell system.
Sorry to shatter your MS fanboy dreams. - DBFT, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11have you ever used linux?
It is certainly no more buggy than Windows
If people were introduced to it in the same way they were introduced to Windows (as-in if it was the standard) I would bet there would be less work for support centers, less random bugs on Linux. - saturn5, on 10/11/2007, -9/+18Dell doesn't want to market Linux PCs to the "general public". It would be a waste of time and money. Their Ubuntu machines are for Linux "enthusiasts" only. Apple has spent many millions of dollars over the years trying to get people away from Windows with little or no success.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"Unlikely. The above requests are based on choice and appropriateness; why shoud there be a Windows Vista logo on my shiny new Ubuntu laptop? Why should I pay for a copy of Vista I didn't buy? Why *shouldn't* Dell be advertising their new flexibilities?"
Because the computer is made for Vista, ubuntu is just installed instead. The price for Vista from Dell is not very much, are you thinking hundreds of dollars?
"Um. I'm sorry, but IdeaStorm is essentially a place for Dell's customers and potential customers to ask for things they want. If that equates to 'crying little pussies', then fine."
It's a suggestion box, nothing more, they can ignore anything they want on that site, no matter how many votes it gets.
"Well, one, at the very least. I'm typing to you on it."
Well, good for you.
"Naw. I'm more interested in tearing apart ***** like yourself."
Oh yes, you've really torn me apart. I'm so sad.
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I'm quite satisfied; except that I had to marr my case removing the 'Windows' sticker. That's kinda annoying, but hey. I also over-installed Kubuntu on it (ie: installed Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu, since I do prefer KDE). Still a nifty laptop."
If you were satisfied, then you wouldn't be bitching about the price. - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12@Gr00veMerchant
"Linux = Communism"
You're actually correct there - though it's one of the few places that communism works well. With information, since it can be copied indefinitely, you don't get the kind of mass exploitation possible in fiscal communism, but you retain the benefits of community participation, and with a few controls at the lead developer level, you even avoid tragedy of the commons scenereos where the 'product' gets corrupted by freeloaders and vandals.
Though, it's not a threat to capitalist society; communism of information provides a lot of benefit for the work involved, which lubes up a capitalist market extremely well. This is why you have companies like IBM working on GPL stuff; under GPL, what benefits them benefits their industry, and a rising tide lifts all boats. Essentially, they get doubled benefits from improving the industry overall. First, they benefit from their own innovation, then they benefit from the innovations others build on theirs.
'Course, you won't hear the zealots of OSS saying this; they'll just call you an idiot and be on their way. Hence your dugged downness. - Phocion55, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Although I do agree people get carried away with IdeaStorm (ie. removing Windows logo from keyboard), it is a SUGGESTION BOX.
Dell can choose to ignore it if they want to. No one's forcing them to do anything. - Quiescence, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10"Dell should produce a new commercial for the Ubuntu PCs."
Are you kidding? People who would be happy with an Ubuntu pc do probably know about it. Do you really think that people who are gonna learn about this from a TV commercial will like Ubuntu? Too early for this. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13my problem with apple is the 10 - 40 % mark up on all their products vs similar consumer goods. iPods and Macs are a status symbol.
- thumbup, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13Linux enthusiasts can just install it themselves, it's free and not hard. I just don't see this move from Dell lasting for that long. I guess it's a nice thought that it can be already on there when you get it, but dont most linux people like customising it as it is being installed? I also wouldn't have thought that Dell would be a brand that linux enthusiasts would use for computers, but I guess I am wrong.
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@tizz66:
"Apple's are undeniably more expensive (though it isn't close to the level people like to think), but you get a better product for your money."
I can attest to this. My girlfriend and I just bought new laptops. More or less the same specs, 'cept mine was a Dell, and hers was a 15% more expensive Apple.
Now, I was all braggy and stuff, seeing as she's always the one saying 'Never pay full price', but a lot of the things you don't see on a spec sheet are really nifty. The lighted keyboard, the overall sleekness, the darkness detection (softens the screen and keyb lights), some of the software that comes with a Mac.
I'm almost going against my better judgement here, but I think that 15% difference may actually just be a luxury tax (ie: all this stuff is unnecessary, but it's cool to have).
'course, my Dell gets better battery life. Go fig. - Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6"90% of people are completely ***** oblivious to anything computer related around them, and they refuse to learn"
BINGO. And that's the ***** market share to fight for.
You get even a reasonable fraction of that 90% and give them GOOD customer experiences, they won't understand what linux is, but they'll tell their friends to buy it anyway.
"gee, i got that neat new Dell LIH-NUX computer and it's so much faster than yours and looks better too! Oh yeah, I found this button that lists a lot of games..I clicked a game and 5 minutes later I was playing it...how many games are on your computer?"
There's a lot of people SO computer illiterate that it'd be just as easy to click that red-and-blue circle as it would to click the blue "E"...it's just a matter of getting them to buy it.
There's only a few obscure levels of user between complete beginner and fully competent that really have any chance of seeing any greater difficulties learning linux over windows. - Cobainy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11Why should we vote? The only people who buy because ana dvert tells them to are not the same people who know what linux is.
It's not a decision you make on impulse, to buy linux over windows. - Philluminati, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Why are people digging this down?
Is it because we can't trust dell or is it because your trying to force the operating system on everyone?
I'm a real linux user but stop pressuizing dell all the time. - bigtomrodney, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I love Beryl, I run it all the time. But burning menus are not going to sell anyone. Cube maybe, but showing what will be assumed to be a waste of resources is not the way to go. Remember a lot of these people will be coming from Windows where most addons in terms of eye candy slow the computer down noticeably.
- geekee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5This campaign wreaks of fanboyism
- bcmiller, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6With the recent big news stories about the "botnets" aka zombie spam computers... the Government should be running ads for Ubuntu so they would have less vulnerable computers.
I do believe that Dell should advertise Ubuntu as well but I don't think they will. They want to limit the sales of Ubuntu to those people who know enough about the system to seek it out as to limit the complaints from people who get Ubuntu by mistake... or people who thought it looked cool, saved a few bucks but now they want to webcam chat on yahoo. - jlebrech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5How about the option for a dual boot for an extra 1c.
Dell should really promote a dual system range.
Because us guys already know Linux, so what's the point in an advert.
And Joe public might be interested, but when he buys Crysis or StarCraft2 he wont be so happy.
But if they buy a Dell with 2 os's they might have a go at the os now and again, you can't really expect sumone normal to just switch like that.
How did everyone else switch from Windows to Linux well it was by dual booting.
And the Ubuntu's default homepage should be a well crafted website which shows of all the derivatives of commercial software that are available. - raynevandunem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I second the last two posters. The Linux/FOSS peanut gallery has always demanded that they receive every piece of software imaginable "free and open source".
Plus, why is it that folks rejoice when Linux is used for some purpose by some particular government or government agency (NSA, French gendarmerie, the Bolivaristas down in Venezuela)? Pardon me while I see government + Linux != something to rejoice about, only that the jackals in the capitol are hiring some slightly competent IT admins for the worse.
So why should I be concerned by a corporatist entity like Dell? They barely have an incentive to sell desktop computers with Ubuntu pre-installed, except for some sympathy on the part of Michael Dell and a payout by Canonical.
Why can't the FOSS folks come up with their own hardware solutions that can be maintained and manufactured by the hardware homebrewers of the world? Then they can make sure that their precious GPL-ed software isn't being "Tivoized", "locked-down", "DRMed", or some other ***** that gets their freedom panties in a bunch.
I mean really, your priorities are a tad misplaced. - DeejayLupo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4There are two front page stories now about petitioning Dell to do more about the Ubuntu thing. This is what Dell gets for listening to the online demand for Ubuntu in the first place.
How about this... Dell decided to offer Ubuntu, now they're going to see if it works for them. If they think the best approach to this test program is to advertise it, or to sell it overseas, they'll handle it. We've already convinced them to try, so how about we let them do their jobs.
I doubt they're going to invest large dollars in advertising or offering internationally before they have some idea of if whether it's economically viable. - jellystones, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6It looks to me that this article is saying "good, you provide linux im so happy!!...but I wasnt actually going to buy one.....go persuade someone to buy it"
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You can "vote" for Dell by buying a Dell product. Dell isn't a charity and hardware isn't free.
So Linux users, put your $$$ where your mouths are.
I have a 17' Dell Inspiron 9200 laptop, btw. - Godlike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+31) Everyone that gives a crap about linux knows that Dell sells them.
2) Linux is not for the commoner. For jesus tapdancing christs sake, most of these people cannot even find a start button, let alone navigate linux.
3) Linux is not compatible with 95% of the software on the market, unless, of course, you already know how to use linux and configure vmware or wine, in which case SEE POINT 1.
I am not against you, I am just rational. Until cross compatability is acheived linux will be on a burner even further back than Macintosh for any manufacturing company, as far as it's use as a desktop OS goes. - JohnnyXmas, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7I've used Linux. I HAVE to use Linux for a majority of of my job. I f*cking HATE it.
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Ubuntu's all about community and working together.
I can just see the commercial, though...
Shaggy dude: "Hi, I'm a Mac!"
Businessman: "And I'm a PC!"
Thousand or so Dell employees in identical outfits: "We are the Linux. Lower your firewalls. Your graphic design and technological distinctivness will be added to our own. Resistance if futile." - OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3[quote]This is ridiculus. Why don't you guys form a comapny and buy out Dell and run their business instead of keep telling them what to do.[/quote]
Why buy out Dell? They can just form a company and do better than Dell. That is, if they are as smart as they think they are.
Well, what edge do you think you have over Dell? How do you plan to profit from $200 PCs? Who's going to do your tech support?
I bet you'll be outsourcing to Afghanistan in no time. :p
"I called up your tech support and they threatened to kill me!" - KarbonKopy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Anything else you want dell to do for you? Cut you a check for a million dollars? I love Linux as much as the next guy, but why don't you let them run THEIR business?
- softwhere, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3signing your own posts is for douche bags.
Best Regards,
Softwhere ;] - 1of42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Vote Dell to do this, vote Dell to do that. Sorry people, but contrary to what appears to be popular opinion on sites like this, sitting on your asses and idly bitching/voting for people to do things is one of the least effective ways of making those things happen. Actually go out and do something in the real world; make your opinions matter by making yourself important to those who make the decisions. Checking some boxes then hitting Submit on some website doesn't quite cut it.
- djauto23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"The general public needs to see how cool Linux has become with Beryl/Compiz desktop effects, OpenOffice, and the lack of viruses. Especially the burning windows and the cube."
Not quite sure excactly about that. It's seldom wise to brag too much about your product before it's ready for mass consumption. Digg me down, but the last time I tried Beryl/Compiz it was not, and it seems at least Ubuntu agrees with me. Beryl/Compiz is a sure hit, but not if people "see through it" (and I don't mean the transparent windows) and discards it by a premature encounter.
By all means, a Dell/GNU/Linux commercial would be wonderful, I'm just thinking don't push the pedal too hard in the beginning. - aspec, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8How about we don't tell Dell what to do with their advertising dollars?
- saturn5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The hardware on the Vista and Ubuntu Dell machines is not the same. When you configure the hardware on the Ubuntu desktop/laptop so it is comparable to the Vista one the "savings" disappears. There is a reason you can't just choose between Windows and Linux in the Operating System section. They are only available separately on different hardware so Dell can create the illusion that you are saving money with Ubuntu. Do some research son.
- grexeo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I agree, wrong timing is the key to this - but not due to the exclusion of OpenCompositing. (Although admittedly appearance does play a part in technology adoption)
No Linux distribution is ready for prime-time yet. Linux TV commercials are not only a waste of time and money, but could also do permanent irreversible damage to the chances of desktop Linux taking off. Remember people have Windows (and to some extent OSX) drilled into their heads - the only way the Linux desktop will stand a chance is if it's near perfect, first time. They won't come back and try Linux again if it isn't - at least not for a long time.
Linux isn't perfect yet - but it's getting closer and closer with every new distribution release. Maybe in 5 years time Linux will have a chance out in the public, but for now, and for the years to come, the Linux desktop is going to be mainly for geeks, or those who take first-hand advise from those geeks. - AARGH2K, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I'm just amused they want "Dell" to make Ubuntu cool. Uh what have they made before that their ad's looked "cool"
If you want something to look generic, standard, and black and grey, they are ones to go to!
Sorry guys, dressing ubuntu up in glitz still doesn't make it ready for the masses, as much as you want it to be mainstream. - SouLFacE, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Dell is a hardware company. its not their duty to advertise about OS. They advertise about their hardwares. Give them the money to make the ads about ubuntu. Linux community thinks, everything is FREE in this world.
- willwander, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I suppose they'll expect the ads to be done for free too.
- jellystones, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Don't get me wrong, I am all for Ubuntu and am trying to get my sister and dad to convert from Windows. Soon my whole family will be powered by Ubuntu :).
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Real voting in the free market world is done by going out and buying one.
- ruskie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Well dell comes with "linux" PREINSTALLED. no need for configuration.
- FKnight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4That's because, contrary to all of the lies the Anti-Microsoft crowd wants you to believe, Windows doesn't cost crap when it's preinstalled.
- FKnight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@9a3eedi
"Unlike Vista, you can actually choose whether you like the eye candy or not. "
Lie. -
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