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- seandfeeney, on 08/08/2008, -1/+30In case you are not sure why VMware would join the linux foundation, it is because VMware has its own native server called the ESX server which has a very basic stripped down version of linux as it's back bone.
- drunkenirish, on 08/08/2008, -0/+13Just got my first ESX Server and I'm loving it...easy to configure and their support is amazing. I had a problem getting my CD Drive to mount and after putting in a ticket, support called me in about 2 minutes to get the problem solved. So glad to see that they've joined up.
- zombiecarlin, on 08/08/2008, -0/+12VMWare is a great company, love their product, love their pricing, love their innovation, what's not to love?
- paradexes, on 08/08/2008, -0/+11Thats not exactly accurate. The console is linux based. The kernel is a proprietary product hence the limited support for specific hardware. Try installing a regular RPM (from RPMfind) in ESX and watch what happens.
That said there are alot of FOSS elements in VMware products judging from all the free code on their site. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -1/+11With all of Adobe's ported software to linux I can't believe I never knew they were in the Linux Foundation...
/sarcasm - angrysquirrelx, on 08/08/2008, -0/+10Partially true. The Console OS is not the backbone. ESX 3i is ESX without the Linux portion and that is the free ESX. ESX uses the console OS to manage 3.0 and 3.5. 3i utilizes the CLI for management from other machines or a virtual appliance.
- nandasunu, on 08/08/2008, -2/+11not open source? you asked....
- seandfeeney, on 08/08/2008, -0/+9Maybe because digg was originally geared towards computer geeks and still has the majority of them as users..
- SteveMax, on 08/08/2008, -0/+8- Because it's big tech news, and Digg's audience in general is interested in technology.
- Because enough people clicked the "Digg It" button and not many people clicked the "Bury" one
- Because there is a global conspiracy to promote VMware to the front page of Digg and therefore to WORLD DOMINATION!!!1!11
Take your pick. - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -3/+11No they don't. They just need to face up to the fact they over charge somewhat for a polished turd, that thier tactics are not for the benefit of all and that ignoring open source is denying innovation to their clients, not just the people who use OS technology. Without Apple and MS the world would be flat again, and that is not what the world needs. It needs compatible technology, Innovation, affordability and standards that work regardless of OS, media and application.
- sk11, on 08/08/2008, -0/+7The fellowship of the penguin.
- zadadka, on 08/08/2008, -1/+8I play with VMware at home quite a lot, but I'm obliged to use Microsoft's HyperV at work due to Partnership obligations ... it's just not nearly flexible enough :(
I also remember VMware stocks being a highly sought commodity around a year ago...this explains some of that, I guess. - Keithamus, on 08/08/2008, -0/+6As soon as I read that I protested out loud.
Adobe has the worst linux support of any third party software vendor. Flashplayer sucks, adobe reader sucks, anything else is non-existant.
***** you adobe. - paradexes, on 08/08/2008, -0/+6ESX3i is free now :P might be a good thing to get if you want to play with it. Maybe not free GPL free, but free as in you dont have to pay a dime free.
https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/login.php?eval=es ... - AtomB, on 08/08/2008, -2/+8Because people dugg it stupid.
- JasonCox, on 08/08/2008, -0/+5Because geeks read Digg and we like tech news.
- Rocketmac, on 08/08/2008, -0/+5"VMware VS Microsoft GO!"
1. Support (+1 VMware)
2. Migrate VMs without halting IO (+2 VMware - Storage vMotion and vMotion)
3. More mature product (+1 VMware)
4. 8 virtual CPUs per physical core instead of 1:1 (+1 VMware)
5. Large, bloated name behind the product (+1 Hyper-V). - theOster, on 08/08/2008, -1/+6***** you, 2 of my friends died from internet memes
- ChayesFSS, on 08/08/2008, -0/+5I run both VMWare and VBox at home and without a doubt, vbox rocks for most of my personal needs. If I ever want to run OSX though it's right over to the vmware machine though, what gives?
- kthoma22, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4so does that means EMC joins it to since EMC owns VMWARE?
- harmil, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4Xen is the core of a virtualization product. Even some of the basic functionality offered by VMware isn't supported by Xen. That's not to say Xen is useless, but I wouldn't want people to make the mistake of thinking that all virtualization products do the same thing any more than all OS do the same thing.
- BobTheTaco, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4But will that make them able to add directx 9.0c functionality?
- Elranzer, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4Why is Adobe part of this consortium? It can't just be for ports of FlashPlayer and Reader.
- ChronicColonic, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4I tech article on front page...this is shades of how Digg used to be and it is quite refreshing.
- santasing, on 08/08/2008, -0/+4Just pointing out that VMWare fired it CEO recently and the new guy is someone from Microsoft. I don't think it will be as simple at VMWare vs. MS. On the contrary, I would not be surprised if this move was actually bad for OSS.
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/09/emc-gave-vmwar ...
I don't know how much of this is true and how much speculation, but it is certainly interesting. - NateTheApe21, on 08/08/2008, -1/+5VMware VS Microsoft GO!
- mrsteveman1, on 08/08/2008, -0/+3They built their business around developing the software itself, at a time when everyone else involved was much farther behind. That probably took quite a bit of money and time on their part.
And now you want them to Open Source (capitalized), and perhaps even GPL (or worse, BSD) license the software? Why would they do that? So they can kneecap themselves into selling support instead, when they are quite clearly the leader in the market because of the SOFTWARE itself?
If a competitor can take that software, legally, and compete with VMware on the same level, whats left for them?
They could release the source for all their stuff without actually making it Free Software, but people would blast them for that, too i assure you. - tange1, on 08/08/2008, -0/+3Is anyone else confused about the 'new certification' - VMware Certified Professional? This cert has existed for a long time already. Posting this from a VMware course - esx 3.5 fast track course - NYC
- seandfeeney, on 08/08/2008, -0/+3never going to happen....
- Rocketmac, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2I've actually had better luck with Windows support from VMware Support Staff then I have getting through to Microsoft.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2"you must be living on a different planet. VMware is struggling as a company. This almost seems like a desperate effort to stay afloat."
No same planet. Vmware is totally dominant on the Enterprise scene,, and MS is struggling trying to push their HyperV. Vmware has struggled because they have has monstrous sales.. but not as monstrous as the stock market wanted them to have. That's all.
MS got in because HyperV was free, now iESX is free. MS is now competing with that. Good luck! lol - specialK16, on 08/08/2008, -1/+3lulwut
- mrsteveman1, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2I assume you are talking about vmkernel, right? Things aren't so clear as they would seem, in the past at least (prior versions), it loaded the Linux kernel first and then vmkernel.
Wiki still describes ESX as using some Linux drivers. Those drivers are GPL'd. So either vmwares kernel isn't really a kernel and didn't really take over for the Linux kernel, or they are (or were) using GPL'd drivers linked to a closed source kernel of their own making.
VMwares docs aren't really clear on any of this either, and from what limited info i could find about it back a few months ago it all seemed quite shady.
"An ESX system starts a Linux kernel first, but it loads vmkernel (also described by VMware as a kernel), which according to VMware 'wraps around' the linux kernel, and which (according to VMware Inc) does not derive from Linux."
"On ESX versions 1 and 2, no VMkernel processes run on the system during the boot process.[11] After the Linux kernel has loaded, the S90vmware script loads the vmkernel.[11] VMware Inc states that vmkernel does not derive from Linux, but acknowledges that it has adapted certain device-drivers from Linux device drivers. The Linux kernel continues running, under the control of the vmkernel, providing functions including the proc file system used by the ESX and an environment to run support applications. [11] ESX version 3 loads the VMkernel from the Linux initrd, thus much earlier in the boot-sequence than in earlier ESX versions." - WildTang3nt, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2I was a huge VMware supporter (still am, actually), but I too have started using Vbox, and it's just as good, if not better in certain areas, but the same is true of VMware. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. What I'm really glad about is the amount of competition there is in the virtualization business, and the best part is a lot of it is free now!
- bipolarruledout, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2It does but they are pretty close. Let them make some money. Vmware's technology is damn near first rate as they have been refining their platform for over 10 years. People who need workstation for production development are more than willing to pay for it and it's still a great deal for the asking price.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2XEN does not match VMWARE.
Citrix is taking a strange desktop approach for virtualization but not really on the server side.
If you want to split up what they are targeting:
VM: mostly Server som VM network-side
XEN: Mostly desktop-side
KVM is .. well cute for desktop rollouts but lacks the VM networking, the HA, and the live replication abilities with databases. Its a kid playing with the adults. - bipolarruledout, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2I would like to see this but possible "political" issues with Microsoft could be standing in the way. This requires a WDDM driver which may need to be signed by Microsoft. Keep in mind that there is not a lot of demand for this in Vmware but they are closer than even Microsoft in adapting their virtualization platform for new display technology.
- arigneysd, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2VMware ESX is by far the superior virtualization product. all other competitors are just trying to keep up. with the announcement that ESX is free for stand alone servers shows that they are willing to play hardball with Xen and Hyper-V. the standalone non-enterprise version of ESX is the same level of product as hyper-v and xen (Entry level virtualization)
- cutchyacokov, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2True, but I would prefer to compile vmware from source if I had the chance. He didn't say it was fair to discredit them for this downside; only that it is, in fact, a downside. To recap, its not that I don't love vmware but I would love it more if it were open source.
- bipolarruledout, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2Not anymore. Microsoft to their credit has been passively supporting virtualized guests since around 2005. They have always supported GSX/ESX instances on premier support contracts.
- paradexes, on 08/08/2008, -1/+3They do have some open source code. You may want to peruse vmware.com some before making a blanket statement like that.
- paradexes, on 08/08/2008, -1/+3Inform yourself next time. But here is some education. They already have FOSS code, and extensive partnerships with various vendors. This move makes sense on alot more levels than to compete with vbox.
- Elranzer, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2VMware Workstation needs to be free. VMware Server already is free, and as far as I know, WS doesn't have any features that the current Server edition doesn't.
- bipolarruledout, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2Took the words right out of my keyboard. They should probobally start with some native x86 OS X apps before they get too big into this whole "linux thing".
- spectre_25gt, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2Agreed. I run Xen at home and it works fine for me there, but there's really no comparison between the two. The ease of management and well structured environment of VI is worth every penny.
- paradexes, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2Considering how Paul Maritz was removed from Microsoft, my guess is that he certainly does not have that much love for them. I don't see a conspiracy here for MS to buy out VMware or something of the sort.
- jellygraph, on 08/09/2008, -0/+21st point, we use Xen for virtualization of everything at our company, from web servers, to database servers, to lead balancing and HA etc. It's proven itself to me. Xen rocks.
@harmil: well, do tell me what basic features vmware has that xen can't do. I'd be interested in hearing it. never used VMware for server stuff, but from talking to other people, they weren't so impressed with the networking performance.
@jabberwolf: I do believe you are mistaken. Xen is not targetting the desktop side. They are just trying to make improvements to support it better. Xen is all about server virtualization.
@killlninja: yeah... um, ok - JasonCox, on 08/08/2008, -0/+2You actually answered the exact question I was going to ask; thanks!
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