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- yetAnotherCroc, on 10/10/2008, -1/+23Quite impressive. Its nice to see someone finaly tackling 3D hardware support properly
hopefully future versions will improve performance. Maybe someday soon I can relegate my gaming partition to a VM. - ButterLoyalist, on 10/11/2008, -2/+20VMware rocks.
- Surferess, on 10/10/2008, -2/+19Now if they can just convince people to spend the $$. People are being very stingy all of a sudden in this industry.
- comwiz7, on 10/11/2008, -1/+14I had no idea this new release had 3d acceleration. Now I'm excited.
- yetAnotherCroc, on 10/11/2008, -1/+11According to the article it can do DirectX 9.0c in windows XP. So far its more focused on compatibility then performance but give it some time and they will probably get to that as well.
- Soldierboi, on 10/11/2008, -8/+18Virtualbox FTW!
- AmyVernon, on 10/10/2008, -3/+12Could it be ... the economy's collapsed? ;-)
Seriously, though, I'll be sharing this with all my crazy Linux-lovin' buddies. - Aurabolt, on 10/11/2008, -1/+8I tried 6.5 beta... Using the new DirectX support, I created a bot using an AutoIT script so it emulated keyboard/mouse input by actually moving the mouse etc. It worked =)
- jzraikes, on 10/11/2008, -0/+6Yeah it's great that VMware 6.5 has consolidated the best of desktop virtuali, but can v6.6 please focus on the zation?
- angryfirelord, on 10/11/2008, -0/+5VirtualBox is primarily used to run distributions in a desktop setting. If you want to deploy virtual machines across servers, then VMware is pretty much the choice. Virtualization is especially good if you want to isolate applications without the entire server going down due to a faulty app. There's just so much more to VMware & their products that makes it worth paying for.
Still, I'm sure Sun is going to be working on VirtualBox so it can compete in the server setting as well. Competition will only benefit us and help us expand on this elaborate technology. - ewertz, on 10/12/2008, -0/+5And you can dream about your guest OS surviving that.
- EmperorPsiblade, on 10/11/2008, -0/+5Wait, what the *****? How would Wine even interface with VMware like that?
Certainly VMware doesn't have (recent) Wine code in it.
Source or GTFO. (I think you just have no clue wtf you're on about) - whosmatt, on 10/12/2008, -0/+4The biggest difference, and the reason I bought it, is the ability to create and maintain multiple snapshot trees. VMware server only allows one snapshot at a time. Also, workstation allows the creation of teams which makes testing much easier. I can duplicate a server environment in a workstation team and keep the team's network discreet. I know this can be done with host-only networking in Server but it is much easier to manage in Workstation.
- shadowman99, on 10/11/2008, -0/+4What is the difference between a virtual machine built in VMWare server and VMWare Workstation? I have sampled both VMWare server and Virtualbox. Why would someone pay for the commercial license when there is free software doing the same thing?
- eriku, on 10/11/2008, -0/+4There is a lot more support for the VMWare hardware than the VB virtual hardware.
The best example of this is the ability to run OSX (with hacking) on VMWare but not VB.
That said, I use Virtual Box for all my virtual machines. I'd use it over Microsoft Virtual PC. Although Hyper V has some cool stuff coming. - moduc, on 10/11/2008, -0/+4If VirtualBox developers can deliver one thing that I ask, it would be on the fly resize memory. That is to use more memory as needed, and less if not.
- bullox, on 10/11/2008, -1/+5Pros and cons of this versus Virtualbox?
- angrykeyboarder, on 10/11/2008, -0/+4Do you work for EMC?
Why should people lay out $189.00 when VirtualBox does most of what VMWare workstation does for free? - wopbobaloobop, on 10/11/2008, -3/+6*spooge*
- johnnyrotten, on 10/12/2008, -0/+36.5 is good, but it still has some bugs. The new mechanism for switching USB devices between guests screws up my iPod drivers so I can't even charge my iPod Touch while I have more than one guest running. There are still some display bugs on large screens (going from full screen to windowed mode and back requires switching from Center Guest to Stretch Guest and back in order to center the guest properly).
Still, the upgrade feels faster and more polished than previous versions, and it definitely works well for long periods of time. - Morghin, on 10/11/2008, -1/+4Does this mean I can be a gamer on Linux, or is that a while to come yet?
- angrykeyboarder, on 10/11/2008, -0/+3VirtualBox doesn't offer full graphics acceleration in Windows guests nor can you "float" guest apps in Linux (you can however do the opposite in Windows).
Considering the price (zip) VirtualBox is a superb product, but it's still not quite where VMware workstation is.
I only wish I could justify the $189.00 to buy it.. - angrykeyboarder, on 10/11/2008, -0/+3Now if they could get Vista with Aero running as a guest, that would be awesome.
- Xlr8ed, on 10/11/2008, -1/+4Well, I have a VMware server sitting right next to me, I keep about 35-40 VM's on it for testing and as working machines. If I am on the road, I can copy over a machine, use Workstation on the road and just copy it back when done. Aside from the ability to float apps in the host OS, which by it self is damn near worth the money, the 3D support is pretty darn good. I have been on 6.5 for a about a week now and Unity is really sweet.
There are a lot of reasons why someone will fork over the cash, for someone that has a actual working use for it, $190 isn't very much. For a lot of people who just want Windows in a VM for the couple times they need to use it, it very expensive, stick with VB - arjie, on 10/11/2008, -0/+2Well, Parallels (the Mac thing) had Wine code in it to allow some stuff (probably 3d) to work better. Not saying that VMWare has it for sure, just saying that it is not impossible for one of these virtual machine managers to have Wine code in it.
- ha3er0, on 06/16/2009, -1/+3virtualbox
- Giga, on 10/11/2008, -0/+2"nor can you "float" guest apps in Linux"
Are you sure? My friend does this all the time... - specialK16, on 10/11/2008, -1/+3What's a virtual penis? I'm very happy with my epeni.
- Junior612, on 10/11/2008, -2/+3The economy collapsed?
Did I miss that memo?
I'm sorry you lost your job due to this collapse and tell the children I'm sorry you can't feed them anymore because the economy collapsed. I'm also sorry that your arm is tired from the hand crank you're using to produce power because you can't afford your electric bill because the economy collapsed. - smackydoodle, on 10/12/2008, -1/+2well aren't you quite the douche bag
- EclipseAgent, on 10/11/2008, -3/+4Unity IMO is not all that great. When I switch to unity view, then switch back my VM then loses it's resolution settings (it sets it to the host resolution setting). Also there is still some issues with seeing the background (or desktop) when dragging open windows.
I honestly think that seamless which comes built into VirtualBox is a better Seamless tool, they are both in early stages so there are tons of fixes and changes to come I am sure. - oakgrove2004, on 10/12/2008, -1/+2Quite simply, I virtualize Windows on a Linux host because I spend the vast majority of my time using Linux tools and programs. They work better, faster and they are more stable. Linux supports much more hardware out of the box than Windows does. I use Windows for 2 programs. That's it. I use Linux for the other 1643 programs I like to have at the ready. Common sense, man, common sense.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2008, -1/+2Here's an idea - rather than virtualizing the OS you play your games on (windows), why not use that as your host OS, and virtualize the OS you dont need 3D gaming support for? (linux)
I have run linux virtualized under windows for years, but I never understand people doing it the other way around. Linux actually has better hardware support as a VM than on bare hardware. For example, Linux cannot use an X-Fi card, but it can if Windows virtualizes it for it. - iiiears, on 10/12/2008, -0/+1
Great article great product. - tHeSiD, on 10/12/2008, -0/+1its great!
i love the easy install feature,, installed ubuntu in 10 mins flat,, including vmware tools
amazing stuff..
the only thing is no proper 3d acc.. i know its difficult but... but i neeed desktop-effects!! - esc27, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1The market changed all of the sudden a few years ago when Microsoft's Virtual Server came out at ~$99 in a market dominated by VMWare's far more expensive GSX server ~$1500 and ESX ~$3000. VMWare released VMWare Server (a new version of GSX) for Free, and Microsoft dropped the enterprise version of Virtual Server (~$200) to free. Same year saw the release of the free VMWare player, and a cheaper Virtual PC.
Since then, Virtual Box came out, matured. Virtual PC became free. ESXi became free. ESX had a significant price drop. VMWare Workstation has dropped a good bit in the last several years, but is priced relatively high compared to the alternatives.
People aren't being stingy, free is the going price for raw virtualization, and most people don't need the extra utility VMWare puts into its workstation product to justify its price. - keyme, on 10/11/2008, -1/+2What's the point of visualized 3D acceleration on a Windows host? If this went the other way round (Linux) this could be pretty awesome.
- bobh1234, on 10/12/2008, -1/+2No its not. VirtualBox sucks compared to Vmware.
- Hiedran, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1I found the networking to be better, as I need to sometimes have my VMs sit on my wireless connection.
VirtualBox made me use Window's Bridge Network Connections, which fails with wireless. - moduc, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1@ewertz isn't VMWare already does that reliably?
- Cherubim, on 10/11/2008, -6/+6Yeah, Virtualbox actually does a better job than VMWare and is free to boot. I run it all the time on openSUSE (XP VM's) and it's less resource intensive and faster than VMWare.
- johndavidjack, on 10/12/2008, -1/+1Sun is close to releasing an open source bare metal hypervisor (Sun xVM Server) which is supposed to rival VMware's ESX Product line...
- galle0n, on 10/11/2008, -1/+1but my Wiinis has bluetooth
- inactive, on 10/11/2008, -4/+4VirtualBox is still cool, unless they've done more DirectX acceleration or added OpenGL acceleration. Off to read the article (Yeah, I know... Don't bother replying for it.)
- pcmed, on 10/11/2008, -5/+4VMware very good
- Bviper, on 10/11/2008, -6/+5Can't believe you'd actually get dugg down for mentioning something open source on digg... thats like dividing by zero and getting 1.
- Breepee, on 10/11/2008, -3/+2The 3D accel, was beta in v5 too, and uses Wine to do the actual translating. So expect no improvements over normal Wine.
- Lionhart, on 10/11/2008, -3/+2Let's just invent new words while we're at it..
- antdude, on 10/11/2008, -3/+2Do 3D games work?
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