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- socket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Good thing Netcraft stats don't decide what an OS's actual value is. If market share was the deciding factor of how good an OS is then we all know who the winner is, and that would be scary.
- gahal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Look under the hood of OSX.
And off topic but every linux distro using different package management? Countless distros and for package management almost all use eather rpm, deb, portage, or straight tgz. Pulling a number out of my ass, I would say like 90% of the distros use eather rpm or deb. - Scourge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Fact: Alive as long as Mac OS X Uses it under the hood.
- willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Want to use the world's most secure free software operating system, but don't want to spend hours learning how to use it?"
Seems like not wanting to learn how to use it will make it not the "most secure free software operating system". - deBeuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Owl == linux
- Erkan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6wow, lots of hate here!
I remember back from before the millenium, knowing your way around BSD and Linux was so cool. Now suddenly lots of dropped motivation, and what is the reason?
Has XP made everyone lazy and uninterested? - sixspeed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"...doomed to be passed around like a harelipped orphan from one foster parent to another."
Jesus Christ, your metaphors are killing me - like a long thin needle plunged into my eye. - saitou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Only a complete moron would judge the quality of an Operating System based on its market share - I wasn't even aware there was anyone that stupid prior to reading the comments in this thread.
It's stupid to compare OpenBSD to Linux too, as they have different goals.
If I had more money, I'd donate it to the OpenBSD project. They write great code, and care little about the OS/distro politics constantly recurring in the GNU/Linux world.
They just have a zealous idealist spokesperson (Theo), who cares more about being correct, than politically correct. Which is something I respect. - eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OpenBSD has a focus on security, and NetBSD has a focus on portability and remaining lightweight. FreeBSD is the most general, least specialized BSD.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Strange ain't it... and just when I've concluded that OpenBSD is the only OS I'm going to mount a rented DVD on ever again.
Then again.. looking at some of the other stories the haters and griefers are out in force. - CharlesDingus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2emperortomato:
Excellent question. You should check out the following links
The BSD family tree
http://www.tribug.org/famtree.html
OpenBSD project goals:
http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html
FreeBSD introduction:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html
FreeBSD and NetBSD forked from the 4.3BSD code in the early 90s. I believe FreeBSD's original goal was focused on performance on the 386 platform while NetBSD was intended to support as many architectures as possible. Someone can correct me on that. At any rate, today FreeBSD supports many architectures and NetBSD performs very well regardless so the lines have blurred.
OpenBSD forked from NetBSD in 1996 due primarily to friction between Theo Deraadt and the core NetBSD team. OpenBSD prides itself on regular code audits, code 'correctness' sometimes at the expense of performance, and a 'secure by default' configuration.
They are all very good operating systems with different philosophies, communities and quirks. - merdely, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's wrong with http://www.openbsd.org/ or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/ ?
- digitalsin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Does it have pretty colors?
- emperortomato, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm like a shark. I just have to keep... making metaphors
- willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The security by obscurity crowd say that security and market share are inversely proportional.
;-) - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just so you know.. there is a great page on *really* securing OpenBSD... a little googling will show you.
I have not tried it on 3.9 yet but on 3.8 it looked to me to be invincible (within reason) - Pas3n7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Already slowing down with only a handful of diggs.
Coral Cashe http://www.softwareinreview.com.nyud.net:8080/cms/content/view/34/1/ - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ah ah ah, thats a simile (sp?). to be a metaphor you wouldn't use like or as.
ex. "I was so happy i was flying through space" is a metaphor - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think you'll find that despite a recent update John the Ripper is falling behind a little... looks like a little competition is a good thing because all the responsible OS's have updated their password generation schemes.
- whoutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The whole point of using BSD, is to brag that you're smart enough to rtfm.
- emperortomato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What'sa diff between FreeBSD and OpenBSD anyway?
- richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3FreeBSD is free, OpenBSD is open.
- jokerr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Mmmmmmmmm flame bait...
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Haha, mounting CD-ROM drives? That's soooo old.
Thanks to HAL I never have to mount/umount my devices. Thanks GNU/Linux! - crimsontwo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1World's most secure O/S?
I would rather say "world's most POPULAR secure O/S". Check out Owl (http://openwall.com/Owl/) from the guys who make the "world's best password cracker" -- John the Ripper. - scuzzo84, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2I love Theo, lets kill Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman
- jokerr, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3I'm sorry but Theo is an ass. OpenBSD is nice, I've used it but I just can't stand Theo. If he'd keep his mouth shut he'd actually be able to get more funding.
- socket, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8Most of you mongoloids are too stupid to use OpenBSD.
- jokerr, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1I would have gone with FP....
- sembetu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0Yeah, but does it run Windows?
- Mactopia, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2DO we have enough spare time on hand guys to learn another OS? And there is no needful application to work with and no one is dedicated to backup. Isn't it the reason why Linux could not penetrate the market yet? They still don't have a standard package installer. Every single Linux distro use different package management. Ahh life is too short to go through all these hassle. Get windows or Mac. Life's sorted.
- Mooseknuckle, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last (http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1148/sam0107a/0107a.htm) in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin (http://www.amdest.com/stars/Kreskin.html) to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000 1400 700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
Recently, Slashdot confirmed that FreeBSD has been bucked away by WindRiver to FreeBSD Mall, for a carton of Winston's and a six-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. This only serves to confirm the fact that FreeBSD is unwanted, doomed to be passed around like a harelipped orphan from one foster parent to another.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dead - da5id, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1Ubuntu. Done and done. Old news.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+0I win
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