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- thelastknowngod, on 10/29/2008, -1/+61it would be nice if they added the ability to be able to update (even for minor patches) via bittorrent. theyd save a lot of cash doing it that way too.
- MistaMatt90, on 10/30/2008, -0/+54Don't you love it when your University blocks BitTorrent access?
- Knet88, on 10/30/2008, -1/+36I don't think that its really advertised, not to mention there are a lot more important things to consider when picking which university to go to then how fast you can download crap.
- samanathon, on 10/30/2008, -1/+23I'm curious, how does apt-p2p seed, does it stay running in the background?
EDIT: Never mind, here's the answer: http://www.camrdale.org/apt-p2p/faq/#index4h3 - jahman, on 10/30/2008, -0/+21http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-de ... ---> 32 bit desktop torrent
and
http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-de ... --> 64 bit desktop torrent - arjie, on 10/30/2008, -0/+18That is precisely what apt-p2p does. In fact, that is how it is doing this upgrading process, it sets up a proxy between apt and the repository and downloads from a peer when possible and from the repository when not.
Personally, I think that is ***** awesome. - chazza125, on 10/30/2008, -1/+17You should read up on the process and architecture behind bittorrent.
You may be quite surprised. - inactive, on 10/30/2008, -0/+15the torrents let us mere mortals feel like we are contributing at least something to the ubuntu community. Seed plenty!
- synapz, on 10/30/2008, -0/+13Arr.
- theaceoffire, on 10/30/2008, -1/+13"why would you go to the university that does not promote freedom on the first place?"
I wanted to get a degree, so that I could buy my own house and internet access and torrent 24/7.
Besides, most College networks are heavily restricted anyway due to the number of users... much easier to rent an apartment and get unrestricted access. - motang, on 10/29/2008, -1/+13I will be seeding, but I just updated all my system this morning to beat the rush!
- HonestAbe, on 10/30/2008, -0/+10http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7792/
I don't know why this isn't first on their list of priorities. You would think server costs would be a large chunk of their budget... - jahman, on 10/30/2008, -2/+11its out!
http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ - TVarmy, on 10/30/2008, -0/+9It is a much better protocol for downloading large files, but the problem seems to be configuration and bandwidth usage for the end user. Bit torrent is very slow without a port forwarded, and some people are charged for the bandwidth they use so they'd rather just download the file rather than end up paying to distribute one or two times the data. Plus, college campus networks often block out bit torrent use altogether, even when it is used for legal reasons, like this Ubuntu download. Of course, most American broadband plans have unlimited or very high amounts of bandwidth available (250 GB with Comcast = About 366 copies of Ubuntu distributed), and many people who aren't tech savvy keep UPNP on their routers so that BT clients can port forward themselves, so this is not a big issue for most people. Plus, if a person is savvy enough to install and use Ubuntu, he or she is also probably smart enough to get a bit torrent client properly configured. It should really be an option in the next major release, if not sooner.
The problem really comes up in mainstream software when it is enabled by default. Many people complained about Blizzard adding a bittorrent updater to their games because they didn't know how to set the client up. I think companies should offer bit torrent as an alternative to standard downloading that can be enabled in preferances, but which isn't set by default. Perhaps bit torrent users could be offered incentives such as less ads or discounts if the client is used for a direct download shopping service (iTunes, Steam, etc).
It really mystifies me that none of the major game distribution networks that I know of use bit torrent as an option. Valve offers early preloads for their upcoming games and seem generally very smart about getting a downloadable copy of a game into their customers' drives as fast as possible, but their servers are often dead slow on a release day even with those maneuvers. For a company that seems so smart in general, you'd expect them to at least beta a bit torrent system. - aladrin, on 10/30/2008, -0/+9Interesting idea. Wonder how it'll play out.
Also, Debtorrent seems to be more stable and -is- available with Hardy. Why would I pick this over Debtorrent? - cheeseplease, on 10/30/2008, -0/+7I really like the idea, I've never understood why bittorrent hasn't yet taken over as the primary source for downloading *anything*.
- naszaklasa, on 10/30/2008, -11/+18why would you go to the university that does not promote freedom on the first place?
- dignews, on 10/30/2008, -1/+7Your on the beta mate, this story is talking about when the final version is released later today
- Krissam, on 10/30/2008, -0/+5I'm wondering when I'll get the update :P
Been using RC, maybe that's why i don't get anything? Only update I've seen today is nautilus-dropbox - ayeroxor, on 10/30/2008, -0/+5you're.
/sigh... - skyshock1, on 10/30/2008, -0/+5They don't want you to use Linux apparently. Perhaps you should raise discussions between your computer science department and your school's network administrators.
- neko, on 10/30/2008, -2/+7Ah, it feels like only yesterday that people were looking at the (then) latest release of Ubuntu, and commenting "hey... why not use BitTorrent to do the updates?"
This is why I use Linux. Good ideas get made, and fast. Here's hoping apt-p2p becomes a standard option for Ubuntu. - sajuuk, on 10/30/2008, -0/+5My school didn't block it when I started there. Then I did something stupid and gave everyone who wanted files Bittorrent to get them off the virus-ridden Limewire and Morpheus which were responsible for 90% of the network downtime. Then one of my friends decided to torrent 30+Gbs of pr0nz over spring break while nobody else was there, got hacked, and the hacker managed to crash our (horrendous) ISP (which is done over a microwave connection). So now they block all comms with BT trackers, as well as loads of other things (IRC, online games, XBox Live might as well be blocked the connection is so crappy). And I'm stuck living on campus. Stupid school that wouldn't listen to reason when I told them they needed a better internet solution for us 500 residents. Yes, 500 students. On what is effectively a DSL line on steroids that craps out whenever there is bad weather. Did I mention the school is in Buffalo?
- jimmyp3016, on 10/30/2008, -0/+4torrent is going great for me
halfway downloaded in about 40 mins. - DteK, on 10/30/2008, -4/+8other distros such as fedora have been doing this for some time. Works very well especially for dvd iso downloads.
- HonestAbe, on 10/30/2008, -1/+5Download the ISO with a torrent and mount it:
http://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades# ... - priegog, on 10/30/2008, -0/+4Yeah, I always thought it would be a good idea, didn't know there already existed 2 programs that did essentially that. I'll give debtorrent a try, because it seems to require a lot less fuss, being in the repo's and all.
- priegog, on 10/30/2008, -2/+6Did you even read TFA?
What they are talking about is program -apt-p2p- that intercepts the hhtp request from apt and supplies the required packages by downloading them via p2p. It has NOTHING to do with downloading iso's via bittorrent, and as far as I know no distribution has systematically implemented the use of either this or similar (deb-torrent) programs to distribute packages by default. - priegog, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3Yeah... you shouldn't link to the iso image until teh official release is made. This happens EVERY release. Understand that the reason it's there before the announcemente is so that the mirrors can sync up. If you just CAN'T WAIT to get it and share it, at least link ONLY to the .torrents.
/anal - ayeroxor, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3sajuuk: you forgot... "The Aristocrats!"
- impei, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3release candidate
- sliksta, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3Just checked, and it's still the RC thats linked. (Release Candidate) Least that's what it showed for me.
- inactive, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3consider it as any other update
- jahman, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3interesting. on my laptop its showing RC. on my desktop upstairs, its definitely the release. here is the direct link to the torrent:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-de ...
hit F5 - i just refreshed on my laptop and it now shows the released version on that page as well.
use the torrent! mirrors are going to be hammered! - priegog, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3Well, it's in the official repos since intrepid, so it already kinda is. Just needs to get turned on by default, or given the option to turn on at install/upgrade.
- bffoley, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3I wish my company didnt block torrent traffic. It's a shame how piracy gives bittorrent a bad name when its really the future of downloading :(
- pdotnet, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3Forgive the newb-ish question... but when these new releases come out, do they install over-top of your previous release or do they require a fresh re-install of the whole OS?
- smacksaw, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3@sajuuk
You could buy a house in Buffalo for $2000 and it solves the problem. And remember, even though that house is in a sketchy area - you still live in Buffalo. And even if the house is a turn of the century dump, you're still living in a crappy dorm room. - wacked, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY TO GET UBUNTU!
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#bt
All mirrors were very slow, but by torrent it took 20 minutes! - AngelBunny, on 10/30/2008, -0/+3why does it take so many steps for an update? i like linux and use it from time to time so don't get me wrong, but why isn't there an auto update .torrent client already pre setup with the os that auto checks for updates, auto downloads, and auto installs? why play around with the terminal for 15 minutes for this? this is the type of stuff that makes linux fun but keeps it away from the mainstream. things need to be automated more for everyone to use the OS not just geeks.
- felipe1982, on 10/30/2008, -1/+3If you wanna learn, you've gotta learn to teach yourself. Find answers to your questions. It is a very FAQ. First hit on GOOOOOOOOOGLE
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading - Catgofire, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2Holy ***** ... I'm getting 2.5 MB/s download. That's Megabytes. Why isn't everyone using bittorrent for popular things?
(I'm on FiOS but I don't usually get speeds like this) - Catgofire, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2The CS professors probably hate it too. Schools don't usually consult their CS departments for computer issues ... it's the same bureaucratic ***** everywhere. I go to Carnegie Mellon and our IT department is not great. The computer science/information systems students would do a better job for just free pizza. Although at least our campus network has a 10GB/5 days bandwidth limit, and other than that you can do whatever you want. We even get our own static IPs for each computer on the network :)
- SuicideMouse, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2What?
- expert01, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2Wrong - check out page two of the article comments. Debtorrent, as far as I know, is not compatible with Ubuntu repos.
On top of that, if you follow the simplified instructions, you will see you just need to download the deb from the authors site. - expert01, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2Download the deb package on page 2 and ignore step 3.
- ayeroxor, on 10/30/2008, -7/+9"why would you go to the university that does not promote freedom on the first place?"
Exactly. Never forget that YOU are paying THEM. THEY are your employees and YOU are their customer. NEVER accept any behavior on their part that you would not accept at any other establishment that you frequent, especially for the money you're spending! - heartsblood, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^
reply button, use it. - ostracize, on 10/30/2008, -0/+2@TVarmy
I don't see how hard it would be to do:
If filesize < 50 meg
Download entire file from closest peer
else
Divide and conquer - priegog, on 10/30/2008, -0/+1thank's expert01.
You were right, and I ended up installing apt-p2p.
I wish the article explained you can't use uptade-manager to upgrade using this method, since the first thing it does is disable third-party (ie, any weird or modified) sources. So I had to manually substitute in the sources intrepid for hardy, and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade. Not too bad, but it just SHOWS no-one actually TRIED the method they wrothe about. -
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