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- neasteflorin, on 09/30/2008, -62/+151It's more like Windows 1442 - Ubuntu 7 . From a guy who runs Ubuntu full time.
And I predict this comment will be buried so deep by all the Linux zealots that not even a bailout plan will rescue it. - kruykaze, on 09/30/2008, -5/+46Linux does have flash dude.
- yessuz, on 09/30/2008, -30/+67I like an OS that works for me, not against me, that's why I use Windows XP.
Never crashed (!) per like 5 or more years with more than few weeks of up-time (this is my desktop computer), all hardware works out of the box (in some cases - you need a CD from the same box) and no need to browse like 55 forums, to realize, that this, exactly this *put_a_hardware_type_here* doesn't work with my OS, because some Taiwanese programmers are lazy to make a driver. - thePTS, on 09/30/2008, -3/+37I'm a guy who stands right between Windows and Linux (changed to Ubuntu about a year ago), and in my opinion, the platforms are about the same in terms of bugs and difficulties.
Roughly speaking:
On Windows you have the games, sure enough. On Linux/Ubuntu, you have the shareware library which is so amazingly easily available without going to ad-fueled sites and risking spyware.
In terms of bugs, it's about the same, might be slightly more on Ubuntu, but much easier to find solutions via google, and most problems are actually solvable.
Despite our disagreements about the "scoring", if you say Windows 1442-Ubuntu 7, but still run Ubuntu "full time", then you can't be very smart. - nevets138, on 09/30/2008, -5/+38Why is Ubuntu the benchmark for Linux? I run Fedora. Does this exclude me from this little rivalry?
- 22magnum, on 09/30/2008, -20/+48I like an OS that works for me not against me, that's why I use ubuntu.
- inactive, on 09/30/2008, -1/+26Site is hosed now anyways, but honestly it was an absolutely ***** awful "article."
Here's the jist of it, the guy installed ubuntu on two machines; and commented that text was bigger/looked nicer on ubuntu than windows....
...thought-provoking. - mikaelhkansson, on 09/30/2008, -3/+24clippy
=) - TehDoctor, on 09/30/2008, -4/+24Probably the parts that are responsible for sucking, like lack of file permissions and real user accounts (I'm sorry, hacking that ***** into the registry is just braindead). Or maybe the flaky network stack? The in-kernel drivers that crash the OS? I know I feel like my OS is fighting me when plugging a laptop into a projector blue screens it. Or how about the ***** scheduling policy that doesn't know how to handle misbehaving, CPU-sucking processes, doing nothing to stop them instead of lowering their priority? Maybe the lack of filesystems support has got him down? DRM? Updates that won't shut off and break functionality? Lack of a good firewall? The need to run resource-hogging virus scanners?
Linux can definitely be hard to use and I would not say it's perfect. It is designed much better and has a lot less ugly legacy code. Linux has these luxuries because it's not owned by a company and doesn't have to meet deadlines. Windows has a lot of old, crap code because rewriting it would cost the company too much. Unfortunately, quality suffers as a result. Try looking at things differently before spouting hollow comments. - DarkBlueAnt, on 09/30/2008, -10/+29I tried using Ubuntu. It was frustrating and didn't support my wireless card.
It's not ready to be popular yet. It has a ways to go to being accessable for everyone. - insanebrain, on 09/30/2008, -4/+23yes.
- AManWithNoName, on 09/30/2008, -4/+21I am a windows user. XP, specifically. I've also used macs in the past, but that's not important...Anyways, I got a huge virus a couple months ago on my desktop XP. I couldn't access anything at all, and every time I turned on my computer it deleted a little more of my hard drive. So, in a desperate attempt to get all the files backed up (I never back up because I'm lazy, so sue me), I made a Ubuntu bootup disc on my laptop, and used it to boot up in Linux on the damaged desktop, where I then proceeded to transfer ever last file I could find.
Now, part of this is obv because I am not experienced with the OS, and that I had yet to customize it to my tastes, but I had a hell of a time trying to get to my files. The interface was counter-intuitive to me, not to mention bland. It was efficient, I'll grant you that, and I never had a transfer freeze up while I was working, but efficiency isn't all I look for.
Ubuntu is great for certain purposes. But for someone like me, a casual user who spends his free time gaming and making digital art, Ubuntu is a nightmare. Quit trying to pimp this, your user base is set as power users, networkers, and coders. There is no "best OS", it's simply a difference of preferences. - connieLingus, on 09/30/2008, -2/+17we are still having this debate?
- BergyD, on 09/30/2008, -8/+21I'd use linux but I like playing games.
- garrettg84, on 09/30/2008, -1/+13People that make the comment that "linux does not support enough hardware" irritate the crap out of me. Format your factory computer hard drive. Go buy a windows cd off the shelf. Install it. Waller around in your stupidity for a little bit and then step into enlightenment. All mainstream linux distributions support double, if not more, hardware, right from installation than windows ever thought about supporting.
You have been pigeon holed by manufacturers and led to believe that windows supports all hardware without additional drivers. Have you ever installed(NOT UPGRADED) windows from a non-oem restore disk?
If your manufacturer pre-installed and configured linux from the start and for some reason you wanted windows and went out and purchased it, you would run into the exact same problems. - weizbox, on 09/30/2008, -2/+13FYI, there is a reply button. And just in case you ***** that up.. you can delete your comment within a decent amount of time :)
- WMGoBuffs, on 09/30/2008, -1/+12Ahh, there's nothing like making a blanket statement with no examples, then predicting your own criticism. At least you can be right about one thing.
- Simkin, on 09/30/2008, -6/+17Windows XP is designed to work against you. WPA, product keys, etc. Just because you find windows easier because you are familiar with it does not mean it is working with you. If windows did not work against you, you would be able to take your existing windows install, and move it to a new computer and keep going without a hitch.
As far as hardware that odesn't work with linux... sure there is some that exists, but it is rare, and getting rarer. And in almost all cases a little bit of reasearch before you purchase will prevent you from having to browse forums etc. looking for drivers and solutions (It will also increase sales for hardware vendors that actually care about your freedom and your choices). - klulukasz, on 09/30/2008, -0/+11actually WoW works great with Wine on linux.....
- jerrycan, on 09/30/2008, -2/+12Fast enough on my P3 1ghz laptop with 512 mb of ram. Seriously, make sure you press the turbo button on the front.
- Icetype, on 09/30/2008, -3/+13fast as balls on my 1 core. :P
- pilobilus, on 09/30/2008, -4/+14Silly little article, this Digg thread will probably end up with better content...
Linux vs. Windows has been a no-brainer for me. I waited for Linux to catch and pass Windows on the "convenience and ease of use" fronts, and when it did, I switched over 100%. Been happy as a penguin in a barrel of herring ever since.
Differences:
1. Security. All of the 40 milion botnet infected computers spraying garbage and poison across the Internet are Windows boxes. Linux does not get infected because the operating system is built from the ground up to be secure, unlike Microsoft products where security is at best an "after market accessory" issue. On this point alone, it is fair to say that using Windows is ignorant and irresponsible, unless there is a /compelling/ reason (QuickBooks, AutoCAD, cheaper than a real game console) to do so.
2. Convenience. Speaking from my recent experience with Ubuntu, Linux is faster and easier to install than any Microsoft operating system, and requires about the same amount of post-install tweaking to make it "just right". Getting application software is a simple matter of using Synaptic or Apt to install digitally signed packages from the repositories.
3. Performance. The home box I installed Ubuntu on, with no changes to hardware, downloads large files at up to 400% the peak speed I observed with WinXP. Programs don't hang, the system does not crash, and you can even "drag and drop" thousands of files from one directory or volume to another without locking up the machine (and failing to complete the move). The only times I ever reboot is when a new kernel comes in an automatic update, and when I need to open the box to add or change hardware.
4. Freedom. You can always download and burn an installer CD, a system maintenance CD, etc. whenever and wherever you need one - no hassles related to "well since you do not have your system restore disk, you are screwed" as is so normal with Windows. Also, keeping a Linux box "free" of spyware, adware, foistware, etc. takes no effort because it just isn't there in the Linux world.
I have installed Ubuntu on a half dozen "dead" machines owned by people I know, who range from "total computer illiterate" to "intermediate level power user", and so far, they are all very happy with it. - mizarone, on 09/30/2008, -2/+12It looks like Digg 2, Site 0.
- inactive, on 09/30/2008, -3/+12I have a Media center with Linux, PC with Vista (gaming) which is also a Hackintosh (work), and an Apple Laptop and an XP virtualization on OSX for testing pages on IE (groan)
I use the right OS for the job, and If it wasn't for games I'd ditch Vista for OSX/Linux in a heartbeat.
Oh, and this "article" is rubbish. - TheInformer, on 09/30/2008, -0/+9You mean 2XXX, don't you?
- tdelet, on 09/30/2008, -0/+995+% of people are going to use what comes installed and what they know.
- Palaceguard, on 09/30/2008, -5/+14I am a PC
- shifte, on 09/30/2008, -1/+9I have WoW running in Linux under wine with no problem or configuration needed.
- thePTS, on 09/30/2008, -6/+14Windows has a long history of working against the wishes of higher level users in very many ways. Not that anyone above the mental level of the retarded, would feel very welcome in an OS that makes Documents directories for you called "My Documents".
It's also usually very hard to get insight into the full workings of the system, to fix bugs or tweak things. Configuration via the horrible registry is one example.
The freeware/shareware library of Windows is also, to put it mildly, lackluster. - theaceoffire, on 09/30/2008, -1/+9Tryin to catch me postin dirty.
- subgeniusd, on 09/30/2008, -0/+7Well the delete option is right there under edit DotNetWill. I'd swear if I wasn't so *****' uncool.
- garrettg84, on 09/30/2008, -3/+10People that make the comment that "linux does not support enough hardware" irritate the crap out of me. Format your factory computer hard drive. Go buy a windows cd off the shelf. Install it. waller around in your stupidity for a little bit and then step into enlightenment. All mainstream linux distributions support double if not more hardware, right from installation than windows ever thought about supporting.
You have been pigeon holed by manufacturers and led to believe that windows supports all hardware without additional drivers. Have you ever installed windows from a non-oem restore disk?
If your manufacturer pre-installed and configured linux from the start and for some reason you wanted windows and went out and purchased it, you would run into the exact same problems. - theaceoffire, on 09/30/2008, -7/+14I tried using XP. It was frustrating, and it didn't have the drivers to connect to wifi or lan, or to ethernet. I had to copy the drivers to a CD to get enough functionality to move on.
XP is not ready to be popular yet. It has a ways to go to being accessible for everyone. - thePTS, on 09/30/2008, -3/+10What happened to all the ***** ignorant Windows zealots in here recently?
*awaiting the ignorant bury brigade* - mikaelhkansson, on 09/30/2008, -1/+8VLC, MPlayer or you can install codecs then it will work in Totem too if I don't remember wrong.
- Culyt, on 09/30/2008, -0/+7Absolute *****.
There is no 'license mess' that prevents the development of software under Linux.
This is only a problem if you want to link to GPL code (not LGPL which is what just about all the libraries use).
Drivers for the kernel are the only parts that have problems but Linux actually has the best hardware support of any OS (it is just some of the newer hardware is missing or wifi, but not as often now days).
As for the software that does run on it most of its better than any commercial counter part, the UI apps are a little rough round the edges in some places but that is only a small portion of the software (It has also seen drastic development changes recently), Apache is the number 1 webserver, Asterisk is about the only choice for a VoiP PBX, Firefox runs just the same. I prefer the media players (Try Bansee 1.x).
There are some specialized apps such as Photoshop, video edition, audioediting, games, that don't really have adequate counterparts but this is purely a market share issue, not a license one. There are also some vendor lockin apps that have their own files types that don't have counterparts, you probably want to avoid those when possible. They are less of a problem now too.
☢ - inactive, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6Paradoxically, I only started getting INTO gaming after I had Linux on my desktop. Quake 4, Doom 3, Nexuiz, WoW, EVE, Spore, etc. Some of the games (Quake, Doom, et al) have native Linux support, and others - in my experience - run perfectly well on wine.
Maybe I'm an exception, but I've had no problems and have no complaints as far as gaming on Linux is concerned. - inactive, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6So he should buy an PS3 and still play WoW? I'm missing the point...
- barius, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6@yessuz
WinXP actually supports very little hardware out-of-the-box. Your hardware from 5 years ago no doubt came with driver disks because they were not included in the NT kernel.
Further, if you were to assemble a new computer today (from parts) you may not receive any driver disks. Setting up WinXP without at least a driver disk for the network card is very time consuming and annoying. This process is virtually impossible for the 'standard' user (i.e. idiot) who is not likely to have the slightest clue what chipset they have, and thus what driver they need.
Linux, on the other hand, has never failed to recognize a wired ethernet connection for me. Having that connection makes any further updates trivial. - EricZBA, on 09/30/2008, -18/+2420XX is the year of the Linux Desktop/Netbook/whatever!
- Hollow5, on 09/30/2008, -2/+8I am a PC and i'm browsing in the nude.
- arcterex, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6you baitin'
- Zaphrod, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6Depends on what Graphics hardware you have, its easy with nVidia cards.
- JayRD, on 09/30/2008, -0/+6Why choose? I run XP and Ubuntu and I love them both. I'd also like to try other flavors of Linux though. Where can I start?
- lutiana, on 09/30/2008, -3/+9I have copied directories with 1000+ files in them from my server to my Vista and XP machines and have NEVER had a problem or a lock up.
I am tech savvy and my XP and Vista machines run smooth as silk on silk. My linux machines (though efficient and resource light) never run smooth, they are always having minor issues of some sort or the other (and I barely use them, and very seldom change anything on them).
Linux has A LOT of potential as an OS and could rival MS, but since it is an OS designed by geeks for geeks I don't see it happening anytime soon. The MS oses are designed by geeks for non-geeks, and that makes a hell of a difference. - soapergem, on 09/30/2008, -2/+8Not sure why you're getting buried (well, I am sure; this is Digg, so anything going against the overmind needs to be exterminated, and pointing out any criticism of Linux is uncouth).
But I have to agree. The fact of the matter is that real, industry software that businesses actually use (and not just fanboys on Digg) is designed for Windows and often Windows only. And let's not forget that all the computer help books and informational CDs for your grandma are still catered exclusively to Windows.
Personally I'm a big fan of Linux, I like what it has to offer, I like how well put together the code base is, and I like a lot of the cool things you can do with it. But I'm also not an idiot, so I know that the chances of any pure Linux distro (not modified ones rebranded by Apple, mind you) ever causing a serious dent in Microsoft's market share is slim to none.
The number of posts on Digg about how great ubuntu is hasn't really affected Microsoft all that much in the grand scheme of things, regardless of how great it actually is. - insanebrain, on 09/30/2008, -3/+8riiiiiiiight.. .
- FredFredrickson, on 09/30/2008, -1/+6Look, I'm a Windows guy myself, but I dual boot Linux too. I like it for when I just want to boot up fast, do some web stuff, and then shut down again. I like Windows for when I need to do work, or when I want to play games.
Does that make me a fanboy of either? No. Does it make me a convert? No. I'm a guy who likes to play around with computers, and I like goofing around with both OS's. There's nothing wrong with that.
Keeping score like there's some sort of war going on between the two sides is lame. Linux will only win when its users get over their own inferiority complex. - spritom, on 09/30/2008, -4/+9The automated-download-update-stuff-and-auto-reboot-because-you're-too-stupid-and-busy-remoting-in-to-work-to-an-important-meeting-until-your-presentation-is-cut-short-by-Windows-forcing-the-above-mentioned-reboot.
Other than that...nah...Windows ain't too bad. Especially after configuring the auto-download-install-reboot settings.
oh...and the crashes... - Sentinel, on 09/30/2008, -7/+12Another pointless Ubuntu article that doesn't even work.
Buried as lame. -
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