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- PhinnFort, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7This is just stupid.
It isn't "anti automatix propaganda", it was a thorough report on how it works, and why it is dangerous to use. - weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Wow... who's calling who the idiot?
Ubuntu dev Matthew Garrett was the one to say it was dangerous. He is the one that took the time to look at it. I'm sure the devs fix the problems as they see them, but they don't always see all of them because of many different variables, hence the reason for bug reports.
Check his blog entry if you'd like: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
Next time check out what your saying prior. And don't try to turn this around to say the dev's were not having problems because they were smart enough to fix it or find a work-around.. and thats why you said the new users had problems :p - weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This was a poll that started back in January, so it does not reflect users opinions currently. Not sure why an older one was used...
This is the current one.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518244 - DasteeZ, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I've used it before, but not with the install that I'm currently using. Ubuntu is so much easier to use than other Linux distros. Most people shouldn't even need Automatix; they just need Google and patience, which is essentially the only way Linux should be used; with patience. Yeah sure, you can use some script that does everything automatically, but this won't teach you anything. If you're using Linux in the first place, you obviously know something about computers, and differ from the norm of Windows. Why use some script that essentially does for you what Windows does? You should just use Windows IMO. But on the other hand, I guess it could be overwhelming for people that are new to Linux, and just want to listen to MP3's without having to dig into the command line (or Synaptic).
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Take into consideration a percentage who don't know what it is, a percentage used it not sure what causes the issues, the other percentages are divided for against Automatix. Only one option for favor of it.
- weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5'an actual poll on ubuntuforums.org shows that the users themselves clearly support it with by an overwhelming 52.11%'
The 'users' are only the people that felt like filling out a poll and who were registered users on ubuntuforums.org... that's not a large majority of the users I'm sure.
haha.. 52% = overwhelming? - weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Exactly, it's a horrible poll to begin with. Gotta love the shameless propaganda tho :) Statistical manipulation ftw!
Why was he using a poll from January as well? Why not use the new poll?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518244 - PhinnFort, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Well, he would have to start learning how stuff is supposed to be done. After reading the analysis of his script, it seems he hasn't much clue about Debian/Ubuntu packaging policies et al.
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -1/+241.05% = I've used it and have had no problems with it. It's great!
vs.
13.69% = Combined negative experiences. Out of which 4.21% is unsure if Automatix is the cause of it, if excluded would be lower: 9.48% of
negative experiences. - lolbuntu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I am not sure if I would ever bother trying to discuss an automatix problem with automatix developers. They were willing to reject anyone who had been directed to them from the official Ubuntu IRC channel.
" #Ubuntu
If someone on #Ubuntu told you that Automatix caused a certain problem don't believe him/her. Its a known fact that the #Ubuntu channel spreads misinformation about Automatix. If you ask us for help and you mention that your were told by someone on #Ubuntu that Automatix caused the problem, your request for help will be ignored. "
http://web.archive.org/web/20070111055721/getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page - robjaa, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Automatix is unnecessary now, apps will prompt you to install codecs as needed (and install them for you) and Java etc is already in the repos now. There are even several 3rd party apt repositories such as Medibuntu which are much more safe then this horrible hacky "script". Automatix has had it's time, it is now redundant, please lets move on and not risk our Ubuntu systems to what some unknown, unaffiliated with the project guy thinks is "best".
Arnieboy, here is a suggestion: become a Ubuntu developer and work with the rest of the community, not against it :-) - bruenig, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Wait, ubuntu users are stupid? No way.
- PhinnFort, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Oh, and the poll is outdated. There's a new one, link at the last page, which shows some entirely different results (add together all the different categories of "trouble" and compare to the successful ones).
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5You ubuntu fanboys never cease to amaze me, now you think you know better than the ubuntu developers.
- djsroknrol, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Instead of them telling him it's no good, why not tell him what to fix?...AX has been a big part of the community for quite some time now and it seems like they're trying to abandon AX for minor, petty things..
my .02 in the desert - PhinnFort, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Heh. "I run rm -rfd / every now and then, but it's okay, because I delete /sbin/rm afterwards".
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3You idiot. Developers aren't having issues with Automatix, it's the new users who are complaining about Automatix.
- PriceChild, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2livevil where the hell have we pushed CNR down users throats? It isnt' even out yet and personally I'm dreading it!!!
richbarna I don't like your misuse of statistics. Users have not voted "in support", it just happens that about 50% have had no problems. - richbarna, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Ok, cool, where is the output of this "trouble" ? That's my point, it's easy to keep quoting trouble, breakage, etc and my friend got his system borked blah blah, there's plenty of that. I just want to see some proof, or at least some data to backup these claims, just as i would if somebody said "stay away from Linux, it fries hard-drives".
There is just too much hearsay and rumour. I have seen a few reports that actually refer to concrete facts that "may cause problems" or "aren't a good idea" in a script, all of which is perfectly acceptible, devs need to know the problems and bugs. What we don't need are a bunch of sheep bleeting about something which they really know nothing about just because their mates say so, or a guy on a forum said so.
I am all for doing things (in my case) "The Debian Way", and learning the system, it's all good. But don't steer prospective Linux users away from a helpful script just because you heard it might break something. Something breaks in Linux all the time, it's not perfect, that's why the devs need feedback and bug reports.
If you are an Ubuntu user and you believe that it is the bees knees, then I am happy for you, but didn't you ever question why it is the forum with the biggest "beginners section" or why there are so many members or support requests everyday?. It's because with or without Automatix, it's not perfect (even if you do everything right) and it will break all by itself.
So just stop being sheep, and stop blaming A-X for all of Ubuntu's problems.
A-X isn't perfect but it helps a lot of people, Ubuntu isn't the best but it could be if everybody starts to spend more energy on positive proven criticism instead of all the whinging and lies.
So there you go, next time you have a gripe, post a bug report or at least a support request, THEN come to Digg and post. - PhinnFort, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Well, if I'm not entirely mistaken, people where usually flamed by the Automatix team for different (but rather funny) reasons, e.g. mentioning that they where told to go to the automatix team by the ubuntu people.
- richbarna, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2The interesting part is that there where only a few gripes, and the majority of them openly admit that they couldn't be bothered to post on the Automatix forums to advise the developers or file a bug report.
I always though that when somebody spends there free time to develop something for the community, everybody should test the app and at least give some feedback.
There are too many whingers in the Linux world nowadays who are quick to take and then complain, but are too damn selfish and lazy to give something back.
So, anybody who posts a comment now, could you please give a specific detailed report of how A-X broke your system, and if possible a link to your bug report or maybe your support request on the Automatix forums.
I personally never had any A-X caused problems, I have tested it on Breezy through to Feisty and Debian Etch. I do agree that it isn't perfect, nothing in Linux is.
I also recommend that people should learn as much as they can about their particular distro and attempt to install apps manually or from verified repos.
In the meantime, to get your system up and running easily with all the usual multimedia/web luxuries that you are accustomed to on Windows, try out Automatix, if you get a problem, go to the Automatix forums for support. Then you can get down to the hard work of learning about Linux an performing these tasks manually.
Just remember to give some feedback every now and then if you try something different or a new app, this is how Linux improves. Anybody can come here and say that Ubuntu screwed their hard-drive or blew-up their monitor, how do we know if it was Ubuntu's fault or if the person is just a Troll? - livevil, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Ubuntu forums shove Linspire's Click N Run down their users throats and yet they ignore Automatix's efforts to help Ubuntu. Automatix has been around since the initial stages of Ubuntu, and I've used it since. I've had no troubles at all from installing Automatix on Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, LinuxMint to Debian Etch. Arnieboy addressed a very important issue early on that enabled a lot users to use Ubuntu as a Desktop Distro, he continues to help the community by not only working on Automatix but also on the forums.
- RapeApe, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Put me under the "I've used it and have had no problems with it. It's great!" option. Of course I remove it right after I'm done with it.
- edjay, on 10/10/2007, -5/+0The hurried report presented no tangible facts to be seen?
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