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- opencoder, on 10/11/2007, -7/+137"Call me when they catch up with Windows and OSX."
Multiple monitor support has been in X since Xfree. It was just a pain to configure. You had to know exactly what you are doing, and you had to edit the conf file in order to get it working.
"***** the Ubuntu hype. It's just a digg frontpage buzzword."
Okay. While I can be nice to grogan. I simply can't stand this kind of trolling. You sir, are an idiot. And believe me I know them when I see them. My job puts me in front quite a great many idiots. Either you are a Windows/Mac loyalist that doesnt even understand what Ubuntu is. Or you are a Linux user that doesn't understand just how awesome Ubuntu is. So, I guess I will explain it to you.
Linux distributions have a reputation for being notoriously hard to configure. They aren't usually for the average user that knows nothing about computers. They also usually require a great deal of tinkering to get working properly. And almost always you have to go to usr-land or etc-land and edit some incredibly awkward file to get something working. And it usually takes a while. Ubuntu is a flavor of Linux that strives to provide Linux to the masses free of charge and to give to the open source community a better way to use their desktop. They have a dream of a true desktop Linux distribution. It is NOT hype. And it certainly is not a buzzword. Ubuntu is going to be here a long time and you better get used to seeing it.
As a sidenote and off topic: Has anybody run Fedora 7. I heard it is a large improvement over other distributions and that yum is worlds faster now.
"ohhh...you don't have the source code of your OS...damn"
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Source code is perhaps the best part of the Linux community. The idea that I can fork an existing project and take it in a new direction is simply amazing. Also, it helps because you can look at other projects that are similar to yours to see how they might have done things if you are lost. And it really helps further the community. I love the freedom.. And with Ubuntu its free beer too, so double win. - Tsen, on 10/11/2007, -27/+148Call me when MS and Apple give away their OS free.
- Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+104Ubuntu, and indeed all linuxes have had dual-screen support for a while. The new UI just allows the user to control it without going all ***** on stuff in /etc.
- marix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+44About damn time!
- jues, on 10/11/2007, -4/+44Try doing some *work* on your computer and then you will rethink your "kinda silly" statement.
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+37sweet but if anyone here uses an nvidia card, nvidia-settings can easily help you configure dual monitor setups.
- straps, on 10/11/2007, -22/+46Continue Using your Black Box and pay attention at the Trojan that is sending me your data...ohhh...you don't have the source code of your OS...damn
- Theli, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28"Gee... they are making a tool to enable dual monitors...."
No they are not. They are making a graphical user interface for a function that has existed for a long time.
I hope this will allow the end user to change the maximum screen resolution using a GUI as that was one of the biggest drawbacks of Ubuntu.Not so much because it was difficult to fix, but because it inflicted so many users. - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25Yes you can actually do more advanced display settings in Linux than in OS X or Windows. Believe it or not...
http://www.x.org/ - CodeNinj, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19"You can digg someone twice, or even three times Just click the green thumb fast, and it will glitch and add a second or third digg. :-)"
and it doesn't actually work... if looks like it goes up by two but if you refresh the page, you can see that it only counts one - sarthorn, on 10/11/2007, -8/+26Hmm.. Vista is just now getting the things that GNU/Linux users have enjoyed for quite some time now, things like User Account Control, window effects, etc etc... I agree that Linux and Windows have different features and are good for different things sometimes but saying that Linux is 9 years behind the times because it hasn't had a graphical utility for configuring dual monitors built into the OS is kind of silly, especially considering that some 95%+ of desktop users don't have a dual monitor configuration and won't use suck things anyways. (And furthermore, Linux is just referring to the kernel, if you mean by "linux" you mean the kernel than you are really comparing apples to oranges, linux runs on everything from PS3's to PCs to MACs to toasters to the international space station, some of the above don't even have monitors! (yeah okay so now I'm just ranting, sorry)).
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19People who say dual (Or more) monitors are 'silly' and just 'cool' have simply just never used them, it's one of those "You won't get it till you try it" or "You won't get it if you're ignorant and have a closed mind."
Out of everyone I know who has gone over to using dual monitors would probably commit suicide if they had to go back to working on one. - darwin81, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18This is ONE feature that Ubuntu (and Linux in general) was behind in. You don't have to diss on the whole OS over it. Besides you could set it up before, this just makes it a hell of a lot easier.
- Badspeller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16I hope so, one thing that always annoyed me when setting up Linux has been dual monitors. I have yet to see a distro let me setup dual screens w/o having to manually edit xorg.conf. After using dual monitors for a while I can't stand single, its like going from 1600x1200 to 800x600
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Now lets get some decent X1900 drivers and I'll be set.
- jub0r, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Linux, or more correctly, X11 aka XFree86 aka Xorg has had multiple monitor support since before I started playing with Linux in 1998. It was called Xinerama. Recently, Nvidia's drivers have made their own multi-monitor extension for X and gave it a nice configuration interface. I'm not sure how ATI does multi-monitor.
The article is just saying that Ubuntu wants to get a built-in standard config dialog for your multi-monitor setup. Trying to amalgamate all this disparate software into a user-friendly system that actually performs a function other than "running Linux" is a noble challenge that I don't envy Ubuntu for accepting. - thomas, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17@jdhore1 (#7200483)
"Look at us! We've made Ubuntu even easier for idiots!"
No, its we made Linux easier for normal people who don't want to edit config files or download utilities that should come with the operation system. If you want Linux to succeed on the desktop it has to be easy enough for anyone to use not just cli geeks. - Gogogo111, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21@allywilson
You can digg someone twice, or even three times Just click the green thumb fast, and it will glitch and add a second or third digg. :-) - estvir, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17I know, dual monitors is one thing I've always hated about Linux and with my current Ubuntu install I haven't even bothered to try and follow some convoluted tutorial on the ubuntuforums for fear of killing X or something.
Thank freaking goodness, can't wait to try it. - opencoder, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17"You can digg someone twice, or even three times Just click the green thumb fast, and it will glitch and add a second or third digg. :-)"
Yeah, but that is grossly unethical. - Ltgeo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12@estvir (#7200661)
I tried forever to get dual screens in Edgy and never found a solution. However, when I upgraded to Feisty dual screens worked straight away with no editing of configuration files and a fairly easy to use UI. This could be thanks to an upgraded Nvidia TwinView and nothing to do with Ubuntu, I don't know. - trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Why are you still using XFree86 ?
- cquilliam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I don't think he is, i think he's just giving an example from memory of years gone by. i know i almost went into a seizure when i read that.
- rulus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11That's not true, the new Xorg 7.3 will make things a lot easier to set up. It should be as simple as plugging your monitor in and go.
- Junpei, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Dugg mirror got it. http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_to_get_new_Dualview_UI
- Spr0k3t, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Dual monitors are sweet. Put all of your programming source tree and research on one monitor, throw your design and source code on another. Use multiple desktop spaces for graphics & sound editing.
- srg13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"AC97 sound cards are suppose to be fully supported yet mine sounds like crap."
This sounds like a problem with your hardware, or maybe you've set something up wrong - mine worked excellently straight out of the box - Fordi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9If you don't know the value of using dual monitors...
Open up photoshop, drag your work window to one screen, and your tools to the other.
Open up Scite in one monitor and Firefox with the webpage you're working on in the other.
Basically, anything that you alt-tab constantly for, get a second monitor and see how easy things get. - haider254, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Ubuntu had dual monitor before, it just wasn't very good.
Hopefully this is decent enough for me to run my CRT/projector off of. It's the only thing holding me back from going over to ubuntu... - allywilson, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17@opencoder
If I could digg you twice - I would. - pauldonnelly, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9How about buying supported hardware in the first place if you're interested in running Linux? You can't blame anyone else for your lack of foresight. I'm not saying you should have known... but whining that someone should make it work because you didn't get your ***** together *before* blowing your cash is silly.
- TritonX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Paying for Anti-virus. That's a market that only exists in windows, I'm jealous.
- TechCF, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Same thing here, though I am VERY happy with the nvidia-settings panel
- srg13, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"Didn't Microsoft (that evil nasty company that steals from linux) have this in Win98?"
As people have said before:
1. X has had this for a long time, it was just quite hard to configure
2. But, with the nVidia drivers, this can be done pretty easily - crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I tried the new UI with the Gutsy Alpha and my Radeon 9600, and it didn't work. Hopefully it will improve for the final release... if not, I guess that's what I get for buying ATi. :(
- renegadeafk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10I'm just hoping in the next release I won't have to edit xorg.conf to get my reolution, other distro's I can just select it but ubuntu gives me some bullswhit where the highest res is 1024x768 at 51 hz for my widescreen LCD.
- sarthorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Don't some people have seven monitors these days?
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/03/sevenlcd.jpg
;) - sqrt7744, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I use gxmame frontend to xmame.SDL. Works like a charm, fullscreen and everything. I don't miss anything from the win32 version I used to use... What front end are you using (in my experience gxmame is better than kxmame in ubuntu)?
Also re your wireless woes, I suspect you have a broadcom card. Install the package bcm43xx-fwcutter, this will grab the appropriate firmware for you. - zenwhen, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11There sure is a lot of trolling in here.
This is pretty awesome. I am glad this has finally been implemented. - crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I don't like working on dual monitors. Actually, they make it tempting to put stuff like chat windows on my secondary monitor, which makes me less productive.
- shableep, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8you know... i've tried the dual screen setup for weeks at a time. never end up making good use of it. honestly, going widescreen was a sweet alternative. when working on projects, i usually have 2 windows open in a horizontal split screen kinda layout. basically almost the same as using 2 monitors... but works better for me for some reason.
but now... come to think of it, if i got a 4:3 monitor for IM, Browsing and Joost... Oooo. *****. i'd never get anything done. - cope, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5nvidia-settings
aticonfig
anyone heard of these? If not try running them! - mattryan50, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Yeah I JUST finished setting up multiple monitors on Ubuntu and it was pretty simple with Nvidia. It would be nice though to have more features similar to what Ultramon in Windows provides.
- khedoros, on 07/31/2009, -3/+7The GNU/Linux OS has its own development priorities, and easy-to-use GUI tools are often low on the list. It just (historically) hasn't been meant for the WIndows version of usefulness....more like the kind that lets you log into 5 terminals at once (3 of them being remote) so you can code like mad using command-line tools. When re-purposed as a general-use consumer desktop or workstation, it'll take some shoehorning.
That being said, it kicks ass for its traditional roles of development environment and server =) - Sparkster185, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Have you even tried using it? It's quite neat.
- charlie763, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The blueprint page on Launchpad
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/displayconfig-gtk
which links to...
The full specification
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK -
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