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- 3242130193, on 12/04/2008, -2/+121This is lame, you can't compare Ubuntu and Fedora with a simple 580-word article. All it does is talk about a few new features in the latest versions, it does NOTHING to make an in-depth comparison of the two.
Also, the author tries to compare RPM and APT which is an old and very stupid-looking mistake. RPM is a package FORMAT and APT is a package MANAGEMENT system. Apples and oranges.
This is dumb - it's like any idiot that's used Linux for a month is now qualified to write a blog on it. Complete *****. If you want an in-depth comparison:
http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1= ... - pezangel, on 12/03/2008, -36/+124I use Ubuntu
- StripeyMagee, on 12/03/2008, -26/+95Anything but Windows!
- custangro, on 12/03/2008, -27/+87Fedora
- cheeseplease, on 12/04/2008, -1/+56I carved my own OS out of wood.
- mag1strate, on 12/04/2008, -4/+55Guys, be happy that people are using Linux in the first place, we are all a part of the Linux community no matter what distro you are using. We can't spend all our time fighting each other!
- j3ff86, on 12/04/2008, -0/+43Wimp. I write the machine code as I go.
- inactive, on 12/03/2008, -7/+48Arch Linux. It fast, realy fast.
- torressr3, on 12/04/2008, -8/+43He said Ubuntu, not windows!
- Vadi0, on 12/04/2008, -7/+41Anything you want.
(but personally, I'm on Ubuntu - bought a laptop with it so I get commercial support for it) - darkchild, on 12/04/2008, -3/+32You can't really compare RPM and APT because they don't do the same thing. APT is similar to YUM, Zypper, Urpmi etc, so you need to correct your article. I am surprised that many Linux users still make this mistake (it goes to show that some don't really follow the progress in other distro or they are just clueless). Compare RPM to DPKG and you will notice that RPM and DPKG share similar pros and cons. With improvements in YUM, ZYPPER, URPMI etc, choosing a distro solely on the package format is getting a bit old fashioned because mostly just work the same.
- MyNameIsGusto, on 12/04/2008, -0/+27You use a pre-existing circuit board? I create my own turing and finite state machines out of silica from deep inside the earth's crust.
- Johnglave, on 12/03/2008, -23/+49Ubuntu 8.10
- subterfuge, on 12/04/2008, -0/+26i use a ***** abacus
and yes, i can run crysis - whorunbartertwn, on 12/04/2008, -0/+25Bah rookie.
I use a big circuit board and change the logic gates around to solve problems. - HonoredMule, on 12/04/2008, -1/+24I also use an operating system.
- tmslak, on 12/04/2008, -4/+25A LINUX DISTRO IS ONLY GOOD IF NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
Right. God forbid a linux community should actually build a community of more than 15 people. - RoboDonut, on 12/04/2008, -1/+22Any post that starts with "***** stupid ass" usually isn't worth reading.
- DavidFromCanada, on 12/04/2008, -4/+24One command keeps me in Ubuntu.
apt-get
yum isn't very yummy - rcarroll215, on 12/04/2008, -0/+19It's better to compare Apt and Yum... and IMHO, Apt is better.
- habbofresh, on 12/04/2008, -2/+19I won't. you have your choice, but broadcasting isn't mandatory.
btw. I'm going to take a *****.
brb. - jhchrist, on 12/04/2008, -6/+22It does plenty for the linux community, and contributes a great deal. It doesn't do a whole lot for the linux *kernel*, since that is not where they place their emphasis.
Their main focus has been on usability. If you are a command-line-only user, then no, they probably haven't improved your experience as much as they have for those who use GUI and CLI, but its not fair to say that they've done nothing for anyone in the community.
Off the top of my head (and not including all the bug-fixes that have made their way upstream), a few of the things they have done include:
* automatic codec installation
* Bulletproof-X
* Restricted driver manager
* Upstart init daemon (although everyone seems to be writing one of these...)
* The Bazaar revision control system
* Wubi Windows linux installer
Canonical has hired developers to contribute to projects such as
* X.org
* Gnome
* OpenSSH/OpenSSL
* libclutter
They may not contribute as much as red hat, but they are considerably smaller than red hat, too, what would you expect?. - watcht, on 12/03/2008, -5/+21It's awesome cause a lizard is it's mascot. That and it's got an awesome KDE setup
- cheeseplease, on 12/04/2008, -2/+18I installed Arch with XFCE (compositing enabled), Firefox and OpenOffice.org on a P3 laptop with 128MB RAM, and it works incredibly well... Did the same on a pc with 192MB and added compiz fusion, the thing was flying!
Today I was working on a friend's laptop which he bought 6 months ago. I don't know his specs, but it had Vista installed and I realized it was actually performing poorer than the 192MB PC with Arch.
Arch has raised my confidence in OSS to new heights. - need4speed, on 12/04/2008, -6/+21neither! i use ms dos.
- lolwaffle, on 12/04/2008, -0/+14My wireless on my laptop worked for the first time after installing 8.10, without having to read forums for hours on end trying things that don't work. So I'm happy with the latest release!
- roebeet, on 12/03/2008, -19/+33Slackware.
- davidrools, on 12/04/2008, -0/+12gOS....
....is a joke - inactive, on 12/04/2008, -2/+13Indeed. I've had to deal with both, and I can say that I much prefer APT. Yum's output is a pain in the ass to read.
Also, as someone who has had to both create and pick apart both kinds of packages, the .deb format is much better-designed than the .rpm format. It's much easier to open up a deb and pick apart its contents; just run 'ar xv' on your deb (yes, a .deb is just an .ar archive), and you get those nice control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz tarballs. The layout of the control tarball is particularly ingenious; the syntax of the control file is brilliant, and the preinst/postinst/prerm/postrm scripts are well-placed. RPM uses a bunch of non-standard extensions to CPIO, and getting at the metadata in an RPM is a pain in the ass.
As a developer, I'm glad that I work with Debian more often than not. - jvincent08, on 12/04/2008, -0/+11That's because the package name would be good-looking-woman. Remember there are no spaces in packages names ;)
- ballen12, on 12/04/2008, -0/+11buried. horrible comparisons, horribly written. would have been easier just to say:
"Ubuntu or Fedora?
Well, I don't really know, it's kind of up to you to decide. Also, I have no idea how to take a screenshot." - jyro215, on 12/04/2008, -0/+10I used Ubuntu for 2 years, but a couple months ago I decided to install Arch on my laptop. The difference is incredible. Bugs and slowdowns I experienced with Ubuntu never happen in Arch, and the packages are much more up to date. The package manager pacman is amazing, and the arch user repository has yet to lack a package that I wanted to install. Sure you have to build the system yourself, but it's worth it.
- shadowofthesun, on 12/04/2008, -0/+10No, its not. Ubuntu is far from the de-facto linux distribution. Ubuntu is great, and Ubuntu is linux, two plusses IMO. But its far from de-facto.
For one, Ubuntu is not bleeding-edge. It's built on attracting users from Windows and OS X, not serving as a playground for new technologies. This is where Fedora comes in. Many of the technologies you use every day on Ubuntu unthinklingly were first tested out by hundreds and thousands of Fedora users. The latest KDE release? It was on Fedora first. The newest release of the X Server? Same. While all of us over running Fedora were filing bug reports, compiling and installing patches, and fiddling with configuration files to get the shiny new X Server release to work for us, Ubuntu users sat back with their older release. Only later did Ubuntu jump on the boat.
For another example of this trickle-down effect which is occuring right now, see the following article on potentials for Plymouth to be integrated into Ubuntu. Plymouth was born, developed, and stabalized within Fedora. The push for KMS was spearheaded by Fedora. Now, Ubuntu users will reap the benefits. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&am ...
Just a side note- it may seem as if I'm being rampantly pro-fedora at the moment, but that's just because its the distribution I know most about. These are just meant to be examples, nothing more.
Ubuntu could never compete with distributions like Backtrack in terms of security, Arch Linux in terms of speed, or RHEL in terms of stability, Other distributions have their own benefits.
Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is a great distribution. It's just this focus on stability and accessiblity that allows Ubuntu to compete with Mac OSX and Windows, something Fedora just can't do. But don't act as if Ubuntu is the end-all Linux Distribution. Ubuntu may be the king of Linux in terms of numbers for now, but that throne was built on the backs of Linux users everywhere.
It's this rampant distribution fanboyism that fractures and destroys the Linux community.
My $.02 - StripeyMagee, on 12/03/2008, -0/+9Turn off indexing
- chr00t, on 12/03/2008, -20/+29RH/Fedora is the *****
- PRlME, on 12/04/2008, -1/+10"You are kidding arent you ?"
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumI ... - inactive, on 12/04/2008, -0/+8Wow, I never thought I'd encounter other Slackware users on Ubuntu/Fedora whoring Digg.
I slack, therefore I am... - fwertz, on 12/04/2008, -1/+9You harvest natural resources? I hijack martian space-craft and use their information systems to compute.
- rowjimmy, on 12/04/2008, -1/+9"Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want."
http://xkcd.com/378/ - Defiant001, on 12/04/2008, -1/+9You win.
- cheeseplease, on 12/04/2008, -1/+9No
- paulell, on 12/04/2008, -2/+10Fedora
- TheWindBlows, on 12/04/2008, -0/+7Thats Ubuntu with a few added tools.
- mikedoth, on 12/04/2008, -0/+7Agreed, I think Ubuntu's gotten bloated.
- Herolint, on 12/04/2008, -0/+7Personally, I think both systems are great. I am currently using Ubuntu simply because it runs well and it is based on Debian and I'm much more familiar with Debian systems than Red Hat/Fedora systems.
If history had played out differently and Debian hadn't been a refreshing break from dependency hell back in the days of Potato, I'd probably be using Fedora today. - raydeen, on 12/04/2008, -1/+8You don't take a *****. You leave a *****. Taking a ***** would be rather disgusting.
- jvincent08, on 12/04/2008, -2/+9"but includes automatic dependency retrieval and installation."
Which is why it shouldn't be compared to RPM. Ubuntu is to Deb as Fedora is to RPM. Ubuntu is to Apt as Fedora is to Yum. The author of the article needs to learn this. Like the guy above said, rpm and apt are apples and oranges. - RoboDonut, on 12/04/2008, -1/+8That's basically the same as saying "You can choose whatever distro you want, but mine is better than yours"
It's a terrible article. - trollick, on 12/04/2008, -6/+12Mojave
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