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- phstpok, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The post comes across as patronising and arrogant, but it makes a valid point. The day will come when malware authors turn their attention to Linux, and we need to prepared. Also, developers are not the sole policy makers at Ubuntu. There will be a lot more discussion before anything as serious as a policy shift on security is made. And if it does happen, you still have the freedom to change distros.
- daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The ACTUAL message: http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ubuntu-devel ...
"What is of course also necessary is an ability for power users to specify additional third-parties without any blessing from Ubuntu. However *this facility must not to be accessible to naive users*. "
It is there to control naive users. The very same way Firefox block pop up by default and warn you if you visit a phishing site. The capability to install whatever you want is still there, but it is hidden from *naive* users like root access.
Ubuntu doesn't release proprietary binary blobs that control your software like Microsoft. I suggest people spend half a minute reading the actual blog before posting.
God, who am I kidding, this is DIgg. - Spr0k3t, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If you read the whole thread in context (not on the forums) you will notice this "bit of news" means nothing. Way to stir the ***** there jcbdiggers.
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You are free (as in choice) to ignore their advice. Advice is all that is.
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"What follows is very much my personal view"
- pooptaster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2FTA: "We cannot assume that our users are sufficiently knowledgeable and
experienced to know what is and is not an acceptable risk to take."
I'll give the Ubuntu devs one thing: they know who they're mostly developing for. - daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What's wrong with that? Alot of new Linux users won't know much about the system. Once you do you would be able to read the rest of that comment and realize that expert users can still do things normally.
- phil2490, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I have to give the developers at least some credit. They are looking at ways to protect the system without giving it Alzheimer's *cough* vista *cough*. Dev's have made no secret that Ubuntu is for first time Linux users, and a little hand holding may not be a bad thing.
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, if you had read it, you would have seen that there is an override at the bottom. Quit FUDing all over Digg.
Plus, we don't even know if this will even happen. Chances are it will be argued against until a suitable median is found. - khermans, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0$ echo ‘nameserver 10.0.0.138′ | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
$ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
–
Kristian Erik Hermansen - khermans, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0$ echo ‘nameserver 10.0.0.138′ | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
$ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
Kristian Erik Hermansen - jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Ubuntuista for sure. Thank you for your attempted defense.
- jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Ubuntuista for sure. Thank you for your attempted defense.
- baalzebub, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3ubuntu = Linux for Dummies
- jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Well, Ubuntu is known for being used by kids and n00bs (judging by the forum), maybe they are right to try and save them from themselves.
- jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Nope, these are developers talking about implimenting app control in Ubuntu. No choice at all, and if you had read it you would have known. Just a question schestowitz......... are you a new Ubuntu user? Because this normally happens with Ubuntu posts on digg. Ubuntuistas jump in to defend Ubuntu without actually even reading the article, which I feel you haven't. By the way, I came across the information by chance on Ubuntu Forums, posted by an Ubuntu user.
The forum thread seems to have caused a bit of stir in Camp Ubuntu ;) - jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ubuntu-devel ...
WE EXPERTS KNOW BETTER THAN OUR USERS (see exerpt below)
""All of us experts here know that this isn't a good way to proceed.
But our users don't. For these reasons, it is up to us to do better.
Conclusion: Ubuntu systems should not provide a smooth `click through'
route to the installation of untrustworthy software.
Untrustworthy software includes all software which we don't have some
reason to trust. This means:
* No click-through installation of downloaded .debs
* No click-through addition of arbitrary apt repositories or keys
* No click-through installation of arbitrary browser plugins
* No click-through addition of PPAs without further policy controls
What _is_ OK is:
* Yes, click-through installation of .debs already in Ubuntu
* Yes, click-through installation of browser plugins provided in Ubuntu
* Yes, click-through installation of media codecs provided in Ubuntu
* Yes, click-through addition of PPAs whose uploaders we bless
and for which someone will provide security support "" - jcbdiggers, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0"And if it does happen, you still have the freedom to change distros."
I think they will, PClinux OS is already starting to look attractive to many people. I think that controlling what people install, whether it be goodware or malware would be a very serious mistake for Ubuntu.
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