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- jcbdiggers, on 10/27/2007, -7/+85Nice article. It explains how Ubuntu is improving and gradually removing the need for Automatix. And the best part?............. At the end of the article he thanks the A-x team for their work, for without A-X he wouldn't be using Ubuntu.
That's all it takes, a bit of credit where it's due. Ubuntu_Geek and the UF hardcore A-X bashers should try hard to think back to the beginnings of Ubuntu, what made it so popular and why Ubuntu and it's followers can feel so proud today. - rudy23, on 10/27/2007, -3/+50"Could this finally be the year of the Linux desktop?"
He had to go ahead and screw up the entire article - Spr0k3t, on 10/10/2007, -2/+43Way to be the bigger user there rossb1. Let people use what they want to use. If there ever will be a mainstream Linux, it's not going to be from users of various distributions bickering amongst each other over which is the better choice. So instead of using your efforts in bashing a distribution in an attempt to make your preferred distribution look better (you made it look bad, FYI), focus on the greater state of mind in Linux. GNU/Linux is about choice and each individual's freedom of choice. Don't be on the wrong side of the fence... now is not the time.
- richbradshaw, on 10/27/2007, -2/+36Actually, most of this was in feisty. (Codecs, drivers etc)
- MasteRR, on 10/27/2007, -1/+30Heh, I always cringe when I see that as well. We need to be realistic. It has been the "year of desktop linux" for the past 5 years. Yes, it is great, and yes I hope it one day prevails, but claiming things like that make us just look foolish.
- MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+27I've never understood the distro wars (or even the window manager/DM wars). The OS wars make sense, but why fight over what distro is bing used? Why not help promote each other? As long as they are usuing open source I am happy. Choice is a good thing.
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -2/+25You're right, I've read too many articles bashing Automatix, when in fact they brought easy Linux to the non ubergeek masses.
- GabrielS, on 10/27/2007, -8/+30"Apparently, he was not running the Gutsy beta."
Does anyone find comments like these a real step backwards in adapting Linux to the desktop? The comment is so puerile. "Just run the beta dude". What? Is this the way to sell Linux? Run the beta versions in real time?
Linux fanboys, among which I count myself, have to alter their criticisms so as not to alienate average users. Furthermore, we shouldn't try to alienate any user that is considering Linux. Help them. Offer a hand. This is what made Linux a reputable product. Users helping other users. This negative attitude of trashing people that ARE TRYING LINUX is just awful.
We can do better than this. We are better than this. - frazw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21ok thanks for the heads up, I was wondering what you were gonna do
- c0ldfusi0n, on 10/18/2007, -1/+18And you're not worthy of using any Linux distro.
- Wargalas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Ok, I'll bite. Why should we use PCLinuxOS instead of Ubuntu? What makes it better?
- sexybobo, on 10/27/2007, -5/+19It was all their for feisty. The only thing Automatix made easier in feisty was installing libdvdcss for dvd play back. But i would rather spend the 5 minutes to find the file then have Automatix posibly screw up my system and break dependency's.
- MasteRR, on 10/27/2007, -3/+17"Apparently, he was not running the Gutsy beta."
Doesn't Feisty do this too? - n8r0n, on 10/27/2007, -3/+17Glad to hear that it is no longer needed, it had a tendency to break systems and hose the sources list.
- frazw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12So what exactly does that leave? Sports news?
- capitocapito, on 10/27/2007, -1/+13From the NYTimes article
"That’s not the most compelling reason for consumers. There is the price: Linux is free, or nearly so. "
I don't think so. I never really concern myself with price. Piracy takes price out of the matter, and leaves the choice up to quality. I choose linux because it does what I want and need it to do, and better than the alternatives. The cause and philosophy also matter. - djGentoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12There's this little thing called a "justification". You should really check it out, because it'll make you look less like a little fanboy who trolls Linux articles because he has no life, which you definitely aren't, right? Right?
- opnickc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Hockey, RTFA!!! It's not "based" on the article, it's a response to it pointing out an innacuracy!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11sudo mv t1n0m3n /dev/null
- kahrn, on 10/27/2007, -1/+11I agree with this. While automatix wasn't the greatest method of doing things, if it wasn't for it then ubuntu probably wouldn't be where it is today. It'd be 'yet another linux distro'. YALD (yabasic, anyone?)
- Dhalgren, on 10/27/2007, -1/+11At least he didn't call it a "Windows Killer"...
- arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Distro flame wars are counter-productive. We're all about furthering the cause of Linux and if we fight each other, people just see us as a bunch of immature fools. I use Ubuntu, but I fully support someone who would prefer to use PCLOS, Mint, Slackware, Gentoo, etc. The fact is that people are using Linux and everyone has their individual preferences. The important point is choice. You could run Gentoo with Openbox, I could run Slackware with IceWM, or someone can run Ubuntu with Gnome out of the box. It doesn't matter. It's all about choice and we shouldn't deride each other for our choices. Be happy that people are using Linux and be comfortable enough with yourself that you don't have to bash other people because they use a different distro/WM/DE.
Oh, and Feisty already made Automatix obsolete. - inactive, on 10/27/2007, -0/+9if you don't want to bother with codecs, install vlc. It play everything without any new codecs.
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Yes it does. http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/metapackages/ubu ...
- deroderugridder, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10I thought Windows was for retards...
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8no, stupid you broke your hard drive because you're a dumb-ass. Linux only facilitated that. Stick with using your Dell and sending it in to them when you have even the smallest issue because apparently you don't know dick about troubleshooting.
- Sahtor, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8I tried it in Dapper, I heard bad things about it in Edgy and I stopped installing it in Feisty.
Not that I'd need clean repos because I upgrade by clean install anyways. - HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You have to keep in mind, he could very well BE a 5 year old. I'm not convinced he isn't.
- scyon, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8Please don't use Automatix, it will break your computer. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of the your computer's life (well, until a format and reinstall of your OS at any rate). https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Automatix
- fweeky, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8"a little scared about Automatix ruining my dependencies. I'd also like to know what that means exactly."
Dependencies describe the needs of packages; application A might need packages B, C, D and E, and depend on certain versions of them. Those packages in turn will need certain versions (or ranges of versions) of other packages; additionally they'll probably conflict with certain other packages because they install things in the same place (like other versions of the same thing; leading to problems when package A needs B-0.86 and package C needs B-0.98).
This forms a big dependency tree, describing what's on the system, what needs what, and what conflicts with anything else. When upgrading, it's the job of a tool like apt or Synaptic to update the installed packages without breaking this tree, which might involve removing obsolete packages, upgrading existing ones in a certain order, and breaking the tree for a short period to finalize an update. Upgrades between major versions (called a dist-upgrade in Debian-speak) generally results in a lot of churn to this tree, and a large part of testing new versions is finding and fixing problems with the process of updating.
Hacky tools like Automatix install third party packages of often dubious quality, maybe replacing existing packages or even forcing the acceptance of a broken dependency tree because "it works for me". When you then go to try to upgrade, apt might not be able to solve all the dependencies and could leave you with an un-upgradable system, or one that breaks in the middle of an upgrade.
(I've never used Automatix, and there may be additional hideousness in it I'm unaware of) - trogdoor, on 10/27/2007, -0/+7My favorite of that vein is YACC, Yet Another Compiler Compiler.
- rcarroll215, on 10/27/2007, -0/+7C'mon, doesn't it make you feel just a little bit better inside knowing you aren't stealing anything? Remember, 98% of the time, there is an open source alternative.
- Tanath, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7For people who don't even know it exists... it could be difficult. It's subjective. Everything's easy if you know how.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Come on, let's be nice. I don't like PCLinuxOS as much as Ubuntu and particularly Linux Mint, but if I talk about Linux Mint on some comments about PCLinuxOS, I'm not going to start with "PCLinuxOS sucks". When you say something like that, you sound like a 5 year old and the only thing you're accomplishing is making PCLinuxOS look bad, which I don't like because I think that like most distributions, PCLinuxOS has a lot of good things about it and is the best distribution for some people.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6R O F L - Thanks for that! A perfect start to the weekend :D
- darthchaosrspw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Actually there are some mainstream games coming out that will work with Linux out of the box. Among these is the latest version of Unreal Tournament.
- reuscel, on 10/27/2007, -0/+6I tried a dist-upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy, but it didn't look right, so I burned the ISO and did a clean install of Gutsy. So far, it's the best looking distribution I've seen. From a pure eye-candy perspective, I really like it so far. And I'm glad I don't need Automatix anymore. I'm a novice user, and was a little scared about Automatix ruining my dependencies. I'd also like to know what that means exactly.
- File13, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8New users to Ubuntu might find automatix or Easy Ubuntu as a great tool for adding features but it will only hurt you in the long run. As n8r0n pointed out earlier, "it had a tendency to break systems and hose the sources list." For new Ubuntu users I highly suggest going to their IRC or browsing the web to do the things right the first time to avoid future problems. You can find alot of the stuff in synaptic or add/remove as I said earlier, with those you will get stable versions that Ubuntu has added to their repo's and when future updates come the update manager will allow you to update very easily.
- nimbuscott, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I've been recommending Ubuntu to my friends as a solution to their teenagers' spyware laden XP boxes. I always added the caveat that they would have to do some tweaking to get their DVD's and their mp3's to play. I have used Automatix and Easy Ubuntu to upgrade several machines but it wasn't 100% on all of them. This simple check box built into Ubuntu is just the ticket. It's a great addition to a constantly improving OS.
- rudy23, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9people like you always help reaffirm my belief otherwise. thanks you are doing your part of 640K is more memory than anyone will ever need . . .
- ZephyrNinety, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There isn't going to be a "year of the Linux desktop". There's going to be a "period of the Linux desktop"
By that I mean, eventually, I believe it will be the most common OS for a long period of time. The personal computer has only been around for a little less than 30 years. And even so, it has only been a machine found in nearly every household for only about 15 years. - HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Distro FLAME wars are counter-productive.
Distro wars themselves are intrinsic to competition with community-based product. Think of how technology and industry grows faster during wartime. Only no one has to get hurt in a distro war. Even a little brand-loyalty is excusable. - gfnw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You don't seem to get it. Theres nothing about Linux that makes it "not support" games. The problem is that there are few games being written for Linux. This is akin to an Xbox 360 "not supporting" PS3 games, or vice versa. PS3 games won't run on an Xbox 360 because they weren't coded to run on an Xbox 360, not because of some innate flaw in the 360 itself.
- hyperair, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5Ah but Totem has a nicer interface! =P
- frazw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5So all news must come from a source you deem "proper." Sounds like propaganda to me.
I've got news for you all websites are looking for traffic. If it is unique information or a unique take on things it is allowed.
It's only blogspam if it adds nothing to the article or just says the same thing as the original article. - nobogeys217, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Point? this article was about Ubuntu, not Mandriva
- hyperair, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6Couldn't agree more. The first time I installed Ubuntu, it was Dapper, I ran Automatix and screwed up my system in a few clicks xD
- maffematician, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Because Ubuntu is on the verge of a major release, less than two weeks after the NYT article was written. If the author of a NYT article on where Linux is "going" can't even mention that fact in his piece or sort out the utility vs. unusefulness of using automatix vis-a-vis this release, then he didn't do a thorough job putting the article together. Hence the blog post and the observation.
- tHePeOPle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Wait... are you being sarcastic?
- ronin2040, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5and abuse of the system would be increased.
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