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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72By the way, i'm not posting this to pose any harm to the ubuntu community or to curse the devs. But they need to hear when things go wrong and they need a community voice to warn them about the problems as much as praise them for the good. If any of you are having similar problems, let them hear it.
- konspence, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41I think he made it pretty clear he wasn't complaining.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29If upgrading in that fashion is so dangerous, the ability to upgrade via dist-upgrade (or equiv through GUI) shouldn't have been an option. Ubuntu is attempting to get into businesses across the world, imagine a network where users aren't locked down.. or a hapless admin who upgrades a couple systems this way, it would be horrible for them. As a company you must plan for contingency for your image, a little note buried on Ubuntu.com or Ubuntuforum.org isn't good enough.
I want to see Linux survive, and compete with MS and Apple as much as the next guy, but it doesn't stand a chance if this is the crap it pulls. It needs to ensure stability. - JohntB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Sysvinit isn't essential anymore. They're using upstart now.
- eMpi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25I agree. My upgrade went wrong too. When rebooting, the x server failed to start. It couldn't use the graphics driver, it had been using before. Now, I've fixed all this but this is something that really _must not_ happen, if Ubuntu are going to persuade Windows users to make the switch.
- Giga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21"I tried dist-upgrade and it wanted to remove something essential, sysvinit. I stopped that and just did an upgrade and then installed part by part (reminds me of debian unstable at times). I then had a problem with X I had to wipe a program out of /usr/X11R6/bin before X could upgrade and my system worked correctly again."
Probably because sysvinit has been replaced by upstart http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
EDIT: JohntB beat me to it - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Smacks you on the hand with a ruler... If you are going to run ubuntu or any other version of Linux for that mater you absolutely NEED TO KNOW how to reconfigure your X server in that distribution. Here's what you do for ubuntu. Write it down and tape it to the side of your monitor:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - bllambert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Upgrading was a bad idea. There are just to many tweaks and changes that people make to thier system that an automatic updater can not account for. I did a fresh install off the downloaded CD, and have had none of these problems.
- warpzone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Forums? IRC? Wiki? Anywhere but Digg?
- woohoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12well, that's the whole point: I don't want to do a clean install, because I think it should be easier to just upgrade... But, I'm in no hurry, yet, Dapper works perfectly for me. Thanks for the tip, though.
- hotani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12For_the_love_of_all_that_is_holy_don't_upgrade_a_server_to_edgy.
I'm_using_it_now_and_somehow_lost_the_space_bar.
Time_to_start_googling_for_a_fix...... - wilsgrant, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@Internetworld7
Thank you for reminding us why we all hate Microsoft fan-boys so much. - atezun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Ubuntu is the process of switching to an entirely new init system in this release. A switch that won't be completed till feisty fawn (and still some polishing work will need to be done for it in feisty+1), this is now small task. Seriously, unless you need have the bleeding edge for some reason (ie: hardware issues with dapper or absolutely need a new software feature) it's best to stick with dapper for now. This release is kind of like Ubuntu's first release, they're doing a lot of under the hood work right now. I plan to skip straight to feisty. Ubuntu releases now that there is LTS are likely going to be like this pattern in my opinion: Release 1: Lay the ground work, Release 2: Add the really cool user visible features, Release 3: LTS, polish and shine - Return to Release 1. Edgy is a Release 1 version they're laying the groundwork now that will help the next LTS edition shine, so this one won't be as rock solid as dapper. If you're using UBuntu for your main sytem, you likely want it to be rock solid.
- wilsgrant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The problem with your logic is this upgrade path is *offered* by ubuntu *on their main page*. How is the noob who just got off windows supposed to know not to do what the developers tell him to do?
PS: I had the same problem with xserver not starting after the dist-upgrade so I just loaded aptitude did a update and upgrade, problem fixed. Be sure to run synaptic and do all it's upgrades too when you get into X. - technofreak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10First Edgy is not a replacement to Dapper Drake. People who thought so, am sorry you are terribly wrong! Edgy is much like Debian Testing, which will be used for testing out improvements and bleeding-edge stuffs to bring out the next greatest Linux distro ever released. So, IMHO people should continue using Dapper, which enjoys the Long Term Support - LTS, rather than trying out the Edgy which is really edgy. If you don't know to play with the knife or don't want to take risks better stay with Dapper, which is proved to be one of the best distros ever produced on earth.
Especially this holds true to n00bs, dapper is the one for them. Everyone faced problems while upgrading to Edgy beta, especially X issues which eventually got solved. There were still more issues like broken packages. So, if you are on dapper please continue with that. If you want to try out edgy, use a separate installation. Don't move any running workstations from dapper to edgy and then crib about issues, which are probable considering the "stable yet not an LTS" state of edgy.
Those who are having problems with upgrading their dapper or even breezy to edgy, you can try the alternate Ubuntu 6.10 CD to upgrade. Using dist-upgrade is not 100% reliable. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"If upgrading in that fashion is so dangerous, the ability to upgrade via dist-upgrade (or equiv through GUI) shouldn't have been an option. Ubuntu is attempting to get into businesses across the world, imagine a network where users aren't locked down.. or a hapless admin who upgrades a couple systems this way, it would be horrible for them. As a company you must plan for contingency for your image, a little note buried on Ubuntu.com or Ubuntuforum.org isn't good enough."
Ubuntu Dapper LTS is for businesses across the world. Ubuntu Edgy isn't even supported by ShipIt: the only way to get it is to dist-upgrade, which at the beginning of everything you'll read telling you how to do this, there's a GIGANTIC disclaimer saying "DON'T DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING". Everywhere they could post it, they were telling users "Edgy is on the Bleeding Edge"; for Goodness sake, it's even in the damned name. Some Hapless system admin that went into their config files, modified it to add the Edgy repository and then upgraded to Edgy should simply be fired, and a backup system should be installed until the original system image is rebuilt.
This is the equivalent of someone running through their business installing Windows XP SP2 on their machine before checking with their software providers to see if their software would stop working between XP SP1 and SP2. Any business that's serious about keeping their machines running knew they couldn't just go installing it and cross their fingers and hope everything still runs at the end of the day. They *tested* it first. Let's try to use the same logic.
As for home users, this is a completely different issue... - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7They tried but the name Vista was already taken
- jsmucker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7For myself the upgrade has went very well. And the new boot is nice. I have not had that much time to play with it but all is well so far.
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm on edgy right now, but I had a big problem with dist-upgrade from beta to RC. I installed the beta, then did a dist-upgrade to get the RC and it hosed X. I did a reinstall using the RC CD and it worked fine (after one mis-burned CD, that is)
- orbvsterrarvm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I used this guide, had no issues.. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/upgrading-ubuntu-from-dapper-to-edgy-with-update-manager/
It did take a Really long time though - nickdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Automatix has made it so VLC can now play avi’s."
If you have been regular at the ubuntuforums, you should have known that dist-upgrade fails if you have used Automatix. I did a dist-upgrade without any problems. I've seen you've used Automatix on your new Edgy system. Fine, but you will end up posting the same story again when you want to upgrade to Feisty Fawn. Maybe you should upgrade with clean install and a separate partition for your home folder. - woohoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7well, i'm gonna be waiting for these things to get fixed then, before i decide to upgrade to Edgy :(
- LordBug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I downloaded Edgy and booted it, intending to do a re-install on my Linux box. Ubuntu STILL hasn't fixed their nVidia support on the boot CDs. I had to tinker a bit just to get a usable terminal screen so I could fix the xorg.conf so I could even do the install to begin with. All my hardware works perfectly otherwise (so far).
Fortunately, I knew how to do this (I've done it before...). I feel sorry for new Ubuntu users that have nVidia cards in their systems. - jimmsta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well... I for one will NOT be upgrading the server @ work... I suppose Edgy isn't an LTS release anyway, right?
I have my old gaming rig set up as the family server, which is running Kubuntu Server 6.06.1, and I guess I'll screw around with edgy in a VM, but will not attempt an upgrade until Edgy is fixed. ;( - M4v3R, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10 Beta and had only one problem with X, but simple "sudo dpkg --configure -a" fixed them. No further problems.
These commands:
sudo apt-get -f install
sudo dpkg –configure -a
Are really essential for successful upgrade. Also, You should install few more packages if they're not there, especially:
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop - sumadartson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@wilsgrant: No no, wait. I think I succesfully detected irony in that post. It's too content-free to be serious.
- Melvil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm running Edgy now. I decided to do a clean install(apparently a wise decision), and while everything is up and running perfectly now, I have encountered some oddities that have left me with the impression that Edgy is much less refined than Dapper.
- tuxracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, MacBook Pro users who have setup Dapper should not try to upgrade with dist-upgrade. Actually they should not try to upgrade at all unless they are prepared to put a lot of work into it.
- cartwheels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm really glad I have a test laptop to do my installs on... when the upgrade went horribly wrong last night I realized that my main PC is staying with Dapper for a while.
- CigarJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was switching to Linux to get away from Clean Install "Upgrades". I'm happy with Dapper so I'll stay put for now and see how things are in a couple weeks.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9“Don't just complain about something you got for free. If something needs fixed, help fix it, don't just sit there and whine.”
That is not the point. It is true that Ubuntu offers its software for free, but distribution of gratis software is not its main goal and certainly not an integral part of the Ubuntu philosophy. It's goal is to provide free (as in freedom) software. Technically, they could charge for their binary operating systems and still accomplish all of their main goals.
In addition, not all of us are programmers... - DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There is a big difference between a programmer and a sysadmin. I don't think anyone is expecting you to know a thing about programming, but if you're upgrading a linux system, you should at least have read the manual on how to configure it.
Do you have to be a mechanic to change the spare tire on your car? - triplep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Welcome to a 4 month dev cycle.
I went into dependency hell upon upgrade cause I got compiz before it forked and it destroyed all the mesa versioning of the libgl1-mesa packages. I didn't even bother configuring compiz after I got it, wasn't a high prority for me.
Regardless of this being an LTS or not, if it makes it past release candidate, it should at least be an easily manageable upgrade, not complete klugde. Being non-LTS isn't an excuse, if it's messy and half busted don't release it.
skip the apt-get dist-upgrade, and head to aptitude dist-upgrade, it will play much nicer with package dependencies. - smeager, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You can physically add it you your xorg.conf file under the screen section.
- cynicist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I did it without backing up. Am I the only one not experiencing any problems?
- saetaes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Having wasted tens of hours on various bad Ubuntu upgrades before (anyone remember the disastrous Xorg update in May??), I'm staying away from Edgy until I can take the time to completely back up my workstation...like, dd-style backup...The fact that you need to have two completely working systems to do an upgrade (one for upgrading, the other to surf the Ubuntu forums when ***** breaks), will definitely keep mainstream PC users away from Ubuntu, and Linux in general, away for quite a while.
- t0ny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Edgy is well edgy...
I have no boot or shutdown screens, I have a ati video card in my laptop but it no longer is accelerated, and blender after about 5 mins crashes the whole x server.
I hope there is a way to fix these problems.... - SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That is exactly what is going on. The switch from the typical init system is no small task. Bear in mind that the common conventions and lifecycles of bringing up a system has now changed for Ubuntu.
I would love to try edgy once it's a bit more ready. But I don't want to upgrade my main system. Perhaps my laptop where I can afford to lose one half of it for a bit. Ha ha.
This is an exciting time for Linux and Ubuntu. With upstart, you may see more control over what services you have running and who knows what else!
Congratulations to everyone for trying and keeping Linux in the limelight. - Philote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I had no problems updating my system with 'update-manager -c'. It took about 8 hours to download and install, but I just attributed that to the fact that I was a little stupid and decided to run the command on the first day it was announced. I even have the new Aiglx/Beryl running (although I have some tweaking to do). I'm sorry to hear that some people are having issues. Make sure you are making detailed bug reports, that is by far the best way you can support the Ubuntu community right now.
On a more negative note: I would like to know if the original poster took the time to give those reports I mentioned, or if he/she just rushed off to Digg? - nbx909, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yah i noticed that too but i just upgraded my server with only 1 problem. xserver-xorg disappered but i just apt-get install xserver-xorg and all was well. (yes i run x on my server, mainly just for when i don't want to turn on this machine and want to fire up firefox) but i'll be waiting until next week at the earliest for this machine since i won't have the time to mess with fixing it when ***** breaks.
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just want to chip in with the issues I had.
1. Window title bars were gone and windows could not be moved. Fixed by invoking metacity manually. Later figured out that it was trying to start compiz (even though I don't use compiz and hadn't for months). Compiz failed to start up due to a lack of 3D acceleration. Removed the compiz script from the session startup thingy.
2. No sound anywhere. ALSA's config file (/etc/asound.conf) got completely deleted somehow. Seriously, wtf? Made a new one and sound immediately started working again. The compiz thing is SORT OF understandable, but this makes no sense.
3. 3D accelleration stopped working. I blame ATI drivers and AIGLX. Added a section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf to disable compositing and magically it works.
4. Pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 through F6 or whatever should give a x-less console. Just gives a bunch of crazy screen glitches on my computer. I still haven't fixed this and have no idea how to even approach it. Pressing Ctrl-Alt-F7 brings back X though.
I too recommend waiting to update to Edgy, if you're not comfortable with linux it might be a very very very bumpy ride for you. I have faith that the Ubuntu people will figure things out though. - iggee85, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The parent poster is right, for your desktop computer the easiest way to ensure a hassle-free upgrade is to wipe your root partition and install from cd. Also it helps a lot if you have a separate home partition to keep your settings intact. If you're a poweruser like me, then you'll likely have too many tweaks for a dist-upgrade to fix.
@DigDuality
The dist-upgrade should definately be left as is, it's much easier way to upgrade Ubuntu computers that haven't been excessively modified. ie business or school computers - latour, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I too had problems, I did a dist-upgrade and everything got screwed up.. i just downloaded it from bit torrent and did a clean install.
- locnguyen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Home users. Try telling your boss you're upgrading without making a backup lol.
- stewacide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3X died when I installed the beta: just pounded away at Aptitude un/re-installing packages until it magically worked for no reason (easier than figuring out the real problem ;)
Overall, I wouldn't recommend anyone who does real work on their Linux desktop to upgrade yet. There are still lots of problems I'm having (e.g. no matter what I do I can't get Azureus to run anymore) - f00xx0riz3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*****. Edgy is NOT a bleeding edge release. It's just a name.
I installed Edgy, got some trouble (mostly due to my WLAN connection dropping during dist-upgrade :P).. I took it like a MAN and fixed in the the console (how hard is it to run apt-get again.. doh).
It's a pity this is ubuntu though, I wish they'd be able to just make it "work". Linux needs ubuntu.
Try updating redhat, debian or any other dist and come back and tell me that just "works" in the same sense that Ubuntu "just works". - Philote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3--raises his hand with shame--
Which makes me glad I got lucky. - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Edgy is a final release, not experimental. The issue here is with the method Ubuntu uses to perform updates. That feature seems sketchy at best and we are bringing up the point that maybe Ubuntu shouldn't be pushing the idea that their OS is upgradeable as non power users will attempt an upgrade expecting it to work when it may not. We all love Ubuntu which is why we want it as perfect as possible.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bclinton
The ati driver or the proprietary fglrx driver? If you mean the fglrx driver that's something to blame ati for. - toodamfast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2a Disaster for Many. ??
I have seen 10 different post on digg about "how to upgrade dapper to edgy"
digg.com/linux_unix/How_to_Upgrade_Ubuntu_dapper_to_Edgy_Eft_Today_Released_With_screenshots
"First thing i would suggest is backup all your important data"
or
digg.com/linux_unix/Ubunt_Edgy_Eft_out_tomorrow_How_to_prepare_for_and_execute_your_upgrade
" * Be sure to check the Release Notes at the Ubuntu Wiki to make sure you won’t run into any known hardware/software issues.
* Back up any important files - documents, music, photos, etc. This can’t be stressed enough! If you can’t live without it then make a copy of it somewhere else so if your upgrade goes sour you can get it back.
* Consider backing up your entire system. Is it more of a hassle to restore it or just do a fresh install? If you chose to back it up, here’s some tips on backing up your Ubuntu system.
* Definately back up your xorg.conf file (located at /etc/X11/xorg.conf) if you’ve made any changes to it and you’re not planning on backing up your system.
* Be sure to back up your fstab as well if you’ve modified it to mount things like FAT32 or NTFS drives, it’s located at /etc/fstab.
* In that vein, if you’ve modified config files for other services, like Samba, Apache, or whatnot you should back them up."
if you lost anything it was you were to lazy to read.
I agree that not having a "smooth" upgrade can be a pain in the ass but you had been warned, a lot.
I have used dapper for 7 months, I can wait a few more weeks until the kinks are worked out of edgy. -
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