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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22If they're still RPM-based, they can go ***** themselves.
- samueldockery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I gave Mandriva 2007 a try and its horrid. You have to register (and pay?) for their "club" to get access to certain drivers (madwifi). WTF is that about? In Ubuntu its click, click done.
- ninjacob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I've upgraded 3 very different dapper machines to edgy...no problems here.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7One thing I would like to say, although there are many legitimate problems upgrading, I think the main source of problems with upgrading has come from people that think they are "smart enough" that they don't need to follow instructions and instead of running:
gksu "update-manager -c"
They edit their sources.list and dist upgrade which WILL break your system, that at very least appears to be the case with the person who submitted:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Edgy_Upgrades_a_Disaster_for_Many
And most of the commenters as well.
Please see http://jonathancarter.co.za/?p=58 for details on what NOT to do. - PirateFSM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm starting to look at Ubuntu more seriously. The community and its dedication are reason I use Fedora. Ubuntu's shows signs of strength. I sense a great disturbance in the Disk, as if millions of bits cried out in terror and were suddenly overwritten...
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Wow - quite possibly the lamest thing I've seen on the internet for a while, that.
- itanshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i trust installing edgy fresh avoids most of this if not all?
- bllambert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5its just the upgrades. A fresh of install of edgy does not have the same issues.
- shadesfox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That may have something to do with the fact that the only people you hear about are the ones who had a bad upgrade. I did have a bad upgrade, but I upgraded before the beta, so I kind of expected something to go wrong. Yay for having a separate /home partition.
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you're thinking about upgrading Dapper to Edgy, do yourself a favor and do a clean install this time around.
- andrewhodel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yes, no problems here
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Non responsive so far at 32diggs...
http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft_Ugrade_Common_Problems_and_with_their_Solutions - AlanLivingston, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Works for me, so far, at 35 diggs!
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@stoffe,
So... installing non-default repository software is 'messing up' the system? Granted, the farther you depart from the base install, the more likely something is to break when you upgrade the system... but merely departing from the base install (using it) is hardly 'breaking' the system.
How does Automatix 'mess up' a system? Doesn't it execute scripts similar to what I'd do if I installed it myself (w32 codecs, for instance)? - chapium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To answer your question, yes, its very possible to upgrade from 2000 to XP.
- tchawla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2One big problem I heard people trying to deal with is if they had Xgl installed before the upgrade, then X no longer loads after upgrade. To get standard xserver-xorg to load if you're in this situation, edit your gnome display manager config file to load Xorg instead of Xgl. From here you should be able to boot into Xorg and then set up Xgl from inside a GUI instead of using nothing but command line :)
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good to know. I upgraded my Parallels installed Ubuntu last night and when it came back up the X server no longer worked. I'll be trying some of these tips tonight.
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To be more specific then, it messes up the upgrade path and not (necessarily) your working system. It does this by introducing dependencies that can't be fulfilled during/after upgrade to next version, potentially incompatible repositories and binaries from these that conflict with the new system and in some cases removes metapackages such as ubuntu-desktop which are necessary for a smooth and automatic upgrade.
Clearer? - stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Most people having problems have used Automatix or some other third party extras installer or have installed stuff that removes ubuntu-desktop and stuff like that. This will break the upgrade path, because you are breaking the system. At least for stuff like Automatix etc this should be able to be made to work properly with some care, but that would require a real effort instead of the dirty quick hacks that are now.
I understand that people want all their goodies, but if you are using Automatix you better wipe-clean install each new version instead, there's just too much cleaning to do otherwise. - pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Fresh install runs beautifully. Just another reason to keep your /home on its own partition. Makes wipe/install pretty painless.
For anyone who doesn't know how to get that set up, this is a good guide.
(Disclaimer: this is not my website)
http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/ - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe it's just me but there's nothing in Edgy that I consider worth any hassle (major or minor) of updating a perfectly running Dapper install.
My Dapper install has been running for over 45 days straight so far with XGL, Compiz and all kinds of other crap. It's super stable and fast and have no issues.
Maybe I'll upgrade to the next release...
BTW before someone says something about Firefox 2.0 or what not, I'm running Swiftfox 2.0 on Dapper perfectly fine thanks. For other things I'll rely on the Backports effort. - Tanath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I did a dist-upgrade to Edgy about a month ago with minimal problems. Works great now. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@trogdor
I followed the directions and it still killed my system. This isn't just FUD, something is actually wrong with the upgrade path. - fatas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@trogdoor
The problem was that you had all these people writing on how to perform the upgrade. Note the Alternate CD upgrade is different to your method. - senorBojangles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice compilation. Thanks.
- ThrobbingBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IIRC, UUID is more specific than (for example) /mnt/hda1 and therefore is more successful went mounting drives.
- nicko68, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dapper Drake's Live CD also installed GRUB only to the MBR. If you wanted a choice of where to install it, you needed to get the "alternate" CD. This one isn't live, and the installer was text based.
- ajifans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To be fair these problems come about if you don't do a fresh install. And then these are easily fixable.
Is it even possible to do a Windows upgrade e.g from 2000 to XP without a fresh install? - Four20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1See, and I use Automatix, and Easy Ubuntu(mainly AX2, but EU does have 1-2 things I need as well).
I believe I have gotten everything working on Ubuntu, that I can do on Windows. I would like to see NewsLeecher working in wine first, but when that happens I will be wiping my entire hdd and setting up Ubuntu only. The question is should I go edgy or stick with the dapper that has not failed me in any way. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anybody had issues with swap not working after the upgrade? What's this UUID business?
- Patented, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I did the upgrade and don't have any issues - at all, on a Dell POS laptop (Inspiron 1100/512mb ram). Haven't upgraded the server yet, don't really plan to.
- Sabot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I had two major problems with my upgrade:
I had to manually add drives to fstab to have them mount.
Nvidia driver in repository messed up my xorg.conf file and I had to reinstall because I did not make a backup :(
Major upside for me is Kino worked much better for me. - h0zae, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5This is the quickest way for the Linux community to loose momentum. A newbie loosing his Gui will get frustrated and quickly go back to windows.
- code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Edgy is really good.
The only problems I've had were
1)Live CD installs GRUB to the MBR (hd0). I had to do a fixmbr,fixboot and reinstall grub on hdg7. Now the NTLoader loads Ubuntu via bootpart
2)Gparted shows 2 of my 3 drives as "UnAllocated", but those were 80% full with NTFS partitions
3)Ubuntu finds errors on my second drive, which contains two logical NTFS partitions. Acronis and Partitionmagic find no errors on this drive. Maybe I should create a dummy primary partition on the drive...
4)My Radeom 9800pro never uses the updated fglrx driver (downloaded and built), I get only 350fps in glxgears.
Tried all methods without error, but did not work. Setting the extension Composite=disabled did not work as well. - nbx909, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2good guide, basically the same stuff i've been spewing into the help channel for hours. Though i thought the no status stuff on usplash was a new clean boot up feature and not a bug, so i'll be fixing that later when i get home.
- tchawla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, a lot of times a new xserver-xorg package will enable the framebuffer by default. You can make sure this doesn't happen by (if prompted to) not replacing your config files, or using override config files. Most of the time you can figure out a reason why X isn't loading from its error output (e.g., if it says it can't access the framebuffer, disable it!)
- JW00000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@trogdoor and many others
For anyone saying hacking your sources.list is not the official please take a look at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php . The "official" Kubuntu release notes for Edgy really do say you should edit your sources.list. So no, I don't think I'm "smart enough" to use a non-official way, we're simply following the instructions posted by the Kubuntu maintainers.
And, BTW, I don't understand why there should only be 1 official way. If I want to upgrade by changing my sources.list, why should that form any problems? And if I rather burn Edgy on a CD so I won't need to connect to the internet during the upgrade then why does the upgrader still asks for an internet connection? And don't even try to change my mind by saying Edgy is *supposed* to be edgy: it's an official release, not some beta or RC! I thought Ubuntu Linux was for human beings, but the Edgy Eft clearly thought something else.
I hope the next release will go by with less problems. - ddinsdale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I had one work with minor issues (caused by installing something out of universe), but fixable with Aptitude broken package fixer. For some reason, the new artwork just isn't there though. The other machine was pretty vanilla (but had automatix). It was unrecoverable.
My new method is to just install the new version within the old partition (the installer will ask you if you want to resize an existing partition. Then mount the old partition and copy the home drive over. Next upgrade goes in the older partition and so on. This way I can always boot the old copy, but so far, every release has just gotten better and better. - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I upgraded from dapper to Edgy and mostly its fine, but, Firefox crashes on some pages. Actually, the only page it crashes on is my GMail inbox page and I have no idea why? It does not use Flash as suggested in the article.
Apart from that, I am having problems with Beryl. But I can live without that.
I think I am going to do a clean install tonight and see how that goes. - zip000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I updated yesterday with absolutely no problems - it took a while, but ran smoothly.
- AdamZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep, I had that problem too. Look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/66637 for the solution. Specifically, comments 4 and 5.
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's the automatix (and similar) users you hear. Using stuff like that or installing stuff that removes the main desktop packages will break the upgrade path. Wipe clean is the only sane way forward then.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Except for my slightly odd Matrox P650 drivers that I needed to reinstall, Kubuntu updated just fine with their instructions of replacing dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/sources.list.
Works ok on 2 systems so far. - hotani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Here is another list of common problems with fixes.... and it's not diggfrakked:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283364 - dadioflex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I ran Dapper with Automatix, in fact the Dapper was an upgrade from Breezy. The only thing that the official upgrade path did to my system was knock out my ATI card. I reconfigured xserver and it's all working fine though without any 3D acceleration, I suspect(not a problem for now anyway.)
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, this is almost always a good idea to keep your /home directory on another partition. It might not always be as 'friendly' a setup or as efficient with disk space, but when you break the OS or simply want to do a clean install, there isn't any backing up to do -- simply install over the old OS, mount the partition to the /home directory on /, and you're good (Ubuntu's installer can do this for you).
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Then it sounds like you ought to stick with Dapper -- it's a super-solid release.
I've noticed some improvements, most of which wouldn't even affect you. Upstart offers a speedier boot-time, for instance, but with an uptime of 45 days, it isn't worth it to spend several hours reconfiguring a system to lose a couple seconds on an oh-so-rare reboot.
Some new artwork. Nothing major. The new startup/shutdown splash screens sure look perty, but again, something you'd rarely see.
Myself, I've noticed a little improvement with my wireless connection, and I've seen some strange nvidia problems I've had disappear. I'm guessing at least the wireless improvement is due to the newer kernel.
All in all, it was worth it for me to upgrade (clean install; don't update into Edgy). I'm running a laptop, so I'm constantly starting/stopping the system, and the current boot time is somewhere around 30 sec to login, without tweaking. With a few issues fixed, Edgy is running overall smoother than Dapper did. However, if Dapper is suiting you well, stick with it, and wait a few releases. Edgy is more like an upgrade than an overhaul. - stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Only if you have messed up the system (ie Automatix, totem-xine or similar). A system with only software from the normal repositories should have no problem (barring the odd bug).
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep. Thanks for clarifying.
- code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The alternate CD was no good for me, The installer's partition choices were useless. It was forcing me to use hda only. It did not detect the ntfs partitions on hda, and did not even see the disks hde and hdg (hdg had the empty ext3 and linux-swap partitions I created for ubuntu)
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