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- censorshipwreck, on 09/11/2008, -2/+81Ubuntu 10.10: Promiscuous Penguin
- murk, on 09/11/2008, -1/+28if only the U.S. National Hurricane Center would use names like this.
- ileftfark, on 09/11/2008, -5/+24What bothers me is Shuttleworth has spoken a lot about the future of Ubuntu, including creating an environment that looks nicer than OS X and now, quicker boot times. These are fine, but it's putting the cart before the horse. What needs to be accomplished is hardware support. Granted, the biggest hurdle is the manufacturers' unwillingness to acknowledge the Linux community at large, but IMHO it should still be the main focus of Linux in general, and Ubuntu specifically. Search Google for 'Broadcom + Ubuntu' or search the forums for ATI or NVIDIA as keywords, and you'll quickly see that the most basic parts of computing are terribly segmented, and are 'fixed' using workarounds or blacklisting modules. Again, I'm not saying this is the fault of the underlying kernel, which natively supports a *****-ton of hardware OOB, but it seems like Shuttleworth is choosing to ignore some of those issues in favor of making it more attractive to new users. And he'll probably succeed. Until said new user realizes his sound card is detected at the kernel level, but /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base isn't properly configured, so the microphone and headphones don't work. Form following function feeds a favorable future.
- Yookji, on 09/12/2008, -1/+19I'm still waiting for Hungry Hippo.
- barius, on 09/11/2008, -0/+18Why can't they do both at the same time?
- lopla, on 09/11/2008, -2/+20I have to give thanks to Microsoft. Vista was a nightmare unlike anything I had ever experienced in computing (I'm an industry I.T. specialist with of 15yrs and multiple certs). In a rage I wiped Vista and vowed to never use another msft product again. At that stage i was not sure where to go as I'm not a huge OSX fan. I did not want to revert to WinXP (msft product). So.. I heard about Ubuntu and installed it. I was blown away and have been using it 6 months now. best OS I've ever had. I am sold on Linux 110%. Add gaming + Adobe Creative suite and it'll be unstoppable.
- MAGZine, on 09/11/2008, -0/+16A brand spankin' new default interface to sexify Ubuntu from default would almost do it for me.
- h0ly, on 09/11/2008, -2/+18Maybe you don't know where the finish line is, but you can surely tell where it isn't.
By improving what you know is wrong, you can move forward. - hamobu, on 09/11/2008, -1/+16What you are saying is something like this:
http://vi.sualize.us/view/d107979b9f109a9eff796026 ... - shutaro, on 09/11/2008, -3/+13Jackalope isn't even a real animal. =P
- MAGZine, on 09/11/2008, -1/+11You're doing it wrong.
- ptFoe, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9Big news coming out today is that Shuttleworth is going to hire to developers to work on Gnome, Xorg, KDE, QT to make his "beautiful" Linux happen.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_work_more ...
This is what desktop Linux has needed - LightPhoenix, on 09/11/2008, -0/+9FTA... "Shuttleworth said 2009 would see Ubuntu compete strongly with its commercial rivals. 'The warrior rabbit is our talisman...'"
So basically, Ubuntu's new mascot is Usagi Yojimbo? - inactive, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9No, more like your sister's cooter.
- hamobu, on 09/11/2008, -7/+16Odd. 124 diggs and no comments? Well let me be the first one!
I think that the whole focus on usability is ill defined and vague. It is like competing in a race where you don't know where the finish line is. - teh_techie, on 09/12/2008, -1/+9As much as you want it to be, vagina is not an animal.
If it were though, you'd actually have a chance of getting some... - h0ly, on 09/12/2008, -0/+8Being an IT specialist, why stopping there? You can have a blast with all the available open source code. You can directly help improving the very applications you are running, even the kernel itself. This "richness" is sometimes lost in the Windows world.
Even if you don't have the time to do so, you can take advantage of your expertise by providing educated bug reports to the upstream developers, containing details that the average user would find difficult to report.
My 2 cents. - Bloodwine, on 09/11/2008, -1/+9Before Linux can truly become a contender to Windows, it needs to have some sort of universal copy-paste mechanism. A lot of Linux apps support the Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Shift-Ins, that Windows users are accustomed to, but some apps do things more oddly such as Middle-Mouse-Click or with the case of PuTTy, highlight to copy. Variety is fine, but it's frustrating not being able to sometimes copy-and-paste between apps. I can't seem to copy from PuTTy to Accessories > Text Writer (or even OpenOffice Word) in Ubuntu 8.04, as one example.
I know this isn't exactly Ubuntu-specific, but applies to Linux on the desktop in general.
I know the "middle-mouse button = paste" in X, and it's low-level. I had to hack my X config to map my middle mouse button to the left mouse button, because I was accidentally pasting stuff left and right due to a sensitive mousewheel. I know some people swear by middle-mouse pasting, though. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 09/11/2008, -5/+13Well, I don't think "hardware support" is really the problem. All in all, hardware support in Linux is absolutely phenomenal. 99% of everything typically just works without any searching for drivers or even pop-up notifications telling you the hardware is being installed. You plug something in, boot-up, and it works.
Truthfully I'm a Fedora guy, but I haven't hard to bust out gedit on a .conf or .d since Fedora 7. Now, if Ubuntu isn't keeping pace in that regard I can agree with you. Otherwise the remaining hardware issues are the direct result of narrow minded copyright holders (Broadcom) and excessively controlling hardware manufacturers (ATI, NVIDIA). Those aren't really problems the Ubuntu team can resolve themselves. These third parties need to play along or nothing can change.
As it stands, the Ubuntu project is left focusing on it's primary goal, usability, and just crossing their fingers someone with authority somewhere comes to their senses. - badassninja, on 09/11/2008, -0/+8Compared tot he amount of political spam digg gets, this is a breath of fresh air.
- badassninja, on 09/11/2008, -0/+7Linux as a whole works it's ass off to create hardware support OOB from scratch. The hardware issues that have not been fixed by now is most likely because we need the hardware creators to release the specs. There are work arounds of course, in fact they are really not that bad. I spend a hell of a lot less time setting up a Ubuntu box then I do a windows box. But as more and more people switch to Linux, it is only a matter of time that Nvidia and others like them will release their specs and/or create open source drivers. If for no other reason then they like money and at the end of the day they sell hardware and not drivers.
- vsujohn2, on 09/11/2008, -1/+8Ubuntu 11.10 Quixotic Quail
- ptFoe, on 09/12/2008, -0/+6Big news coming out today is that Shuttleworth is going to hire to developers to work on Gnome, Xorg, KDE, QT to make his "beautiful" Linux happen.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_work_more ...
This is what desktop Linux has needed - CalcProgrammer1, on 09/11/2008, -3/+9Oh, windows 95! I loved the gradients in Windows 95, they looked so nice! Oh, and do you remember how awesome those 3d accelerated window transformations looked back in the day on our Pentium 1 machines using their nonstandard graphics libraries? Remember the windows squishing and stretching and the desktop rotating on a cube and particle explosions when you closed programs? I loved those things, man, I wish it was 1995 all over again! Those were the good ol' days!
What? You mean to say that I'm wrong? You think Windows 95 had a boring green background with no texture whatsoever, a gray unintuitive boring icon set, and plain 16 color designed 2d screensavers that only ran well in 640x480? Wait, I must be confused...OH THAT'S IT! I was thinking of UBUNTU, never mind, Ubuntu had all the cool stuff and ran on new hardware with 3d accelerated graphics and nice gradients and cool backgrounds that didn't have to be converted to .bmp and screensavers that look absolutely amazing and quality icons that look fitting with a modern theme! - cpsutcliffe, on 09/12/2008, -1/+7I still think they should have gone with Hungry Hippo for the current release.
- Netik09, on 09/12/2008, -0/+6And tomatoes aren't really a vegetable.
- roxgod666, on 09/11/2008, -2/+7They are in Imagination land
- badassninja, on 09/11/2008, -0/+5I think Richard Stallman would tell you to pick up a keyboard and get to work.
- twiztidsinz, on 09/12/2008, -2/+6I'm holding out for Masturbating Monkey or Wanking Walrus.
- inactive, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4Hardware support on linux has come a long way and people have to understand that this task doesn't rely on linux developers to be solved, most of the times is manufacturer responsibility and they refuse to help the cause.
I think that right now most people doesn't have any hardware issues on linux. The UI needs to be revamped to attract more new users. - v4vishal, on 09/11/2008, -1/+5I generally have no issues with naming convention of Ubuntu (Alliterating Animal-names); but Jaunty Jackalope is kinda weird. Its an animal in folklore. Why not Jackal or Jaguar or Jellyfish?
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-ann ... - CalcProgrammer1, on 09/11/2008, -0/+4The only other alternative would be "Jazz Jackrabbit" which was, in fact, an old Windows game. Really, how many animal names start with J? All in all, I do like the naming convention (unlike most people here) because it adds a fun side to the distro. It shows that the developers actually are creative and want to give their product unique names rather than just slap a nonsensical number on it (Ubuntu 8.04.2 GLXT-XP-NT-0014972-AMD64-ETC-LIVE-CD.x86_64.tar.gz.run-LOL is a poor way to do naming schemes, obviously I overexaggerated, but look at nVidia's letter mess with the GS/GT/GX/GX2/GTX nonsense, let alone the misleading numbers, as an ordinary user would think that 9400 is > 8800 due to simple mathematics).
- mrsteveman1, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4You know what i found out the other day? Broadcom natively supports their wifi chips in linux. There is a native driver, for NEW kernels (not just older 2.4.x for routers).
Hardy i believe has it in the restricted modules (wl.ko), and intrepid ibex will enable it with a GUI if you wish. So no more firmware extracting, no more ndiswrapper (def no ndiswrapper, no point anymore).
And they have it available from their website too here: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.p ... - IllBeBack, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4If your guacamole is moving, it's time to leave that Mexican restaurant asap.
- DeusMachina, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3They should have called it Jackrabbit
- werries, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3just ignore the animals and use like, "8.10".
Thats what i do. - teh_spazz, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3Gholy Guacamole!
- TheWindBlows, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3If Ubuntu was started ealier we could have 4.04 ...
- jackola, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3They named it after me.
- leamanc, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3While I agree Gnome's default menu widgets do look a lot like 20th century Windows, turning on the full desktop effects provides for a much more visually appealing user experience in Ubuntu.
I have been a die-hard KDE guy for years. I am tired of waiting for KDE4 to become usable (especially on Kubuntu; I understand it's better on Suse and other distros), and a little bored with KDE 3.5.x. So I decided to switch my Kubuntu installation to Gnome for a while, and haven't wanted to go back, thanks to the desktop effects. The "wobbly" windows are cool, and doing alt-tab, windows key-tab, and switching desktops remind me of OS X.
Granted, I've got a 256 MB Nvidia card in my Inspiron 1720, so I don't know if everybody can get this kind of graphical goodness, but I've been pleasantly surprised by how modern and innovative Gnome has been in Ubuntu 8.04. - tatinthehat, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3You can't really blame Shuttleworth for the lackluster GFX support. nVidia still doesn't open source their drivers (I believe they are still proprietary, even though Linux support has gotten much much better), and we all know ATI drivers were much much worse. The problem is, neither company will hand out the specifications for their hardware so developing real open source drivers isn't exactly something easy to do.
- psion01, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3I can tell you've never been to Texas. When I was a kid, back in the seventies, you'd spot whole herds of lepus cervus in the plains between Oklahoma and New Mexico. They competed heavily with local cattle ranchers and from the 1950s on, efforts to reduce their herd sizes got assistance from the U.S. Army. The average jackalope was about two to three times the size of a jack rabbit, not big enough to saddle, like you'd see in the tourist postcards, but big enough that dogs wouldn't mess with them. Their burrows looked like miniature strip mines, and cattle wouldn't just step in the holes and break legs like they do with prairie dog burrows, but fall in entirely. Out west, a rancher might not see all his cows for days, and a cow that fell into a jackalope burrow was as good as dead from starvation and dehydration, if not from injuries related to the fall.
By the 1970s, the population was falling fast. When I first rode with my parents from New Jersey to Arizona in '71, you'd see so many that they soon got boring. "Great, why don't we count rocks, instead, it'd be easier!" In '74, while making a trip the other direction, their absence was eerie. You'd see one or two groups of small, skittish herds ... they knew they were on the receiving end of a lot of hate.
This really hurt some of the trading posts along Route 66 and I-80. Easterners loved the intricately curving antlers some jackalope bucks sported; many felt the rack of a hardy jackalope, though smaller, possessed a beauty deer antlers lacked and their charming racks found their way into a lot of "rustic" taverns and bars up and down the east coast. Travelers usually couldn't resist taking home one or two and mounting them on their mailboxes or over their doghouse when they got home. But as the numbers dwindled, the trading posts found the prized commodity harder and harder to find ... and the surviving populations sported smaller and smaller sets of antlers. Disreputable trading posts began resorting to selling deer antlers marked as jackalope, but anyone who knew what they were looking for could easily spot the differences. I remember begging my mom to buy me one every time we made a stop in such a store, but the best I ever came away with was an Indian headdress or Mexican jumping beans.
I guess the population pressure was just too much for the jaunty jackalope ... disease wiped out most of the remaining population, and the last trip I made by car across the midwest back in the late eighties haunts me to this day. Not a jackalope to be seen, and when you'd go into a store and ask to buy jackalope antlers, the lady behind the register'd look at you like you're crazy. It's a shame ... I feel like I've watched the modern equivalent of the woolly mammoth die off. - ileftfark, on 09/12/2008, -4/+7"99% of everything typically just works"
http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Anyo ...
I like Linux. But I'm not blind. - alexsabree, on 09/11/2008, -0/+3Sweet.
All I really care about is a better looking UI, possibly a bit more performance (if that's even possible), and an updated Compiz. - werries, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Ctrl+Shift+C, Ctrl+Shift+V.
copy and paste for terminal, at least. might work for other stuff. - omgwtflawl, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Nice! Now we just need an adjective that starts with X...
Xenophobic? - SteveMax, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2That would be the first beta, Crashing Crow. Its slogan was "Quoth the server, 4.04"
- oobuntu, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2KDE+compiz= krashy
i still stick with compiz on kde but i find it causes instability in the kde environment, which is a shame, since kde components never used to crash before compiz came along. i guess that's why it's not there by default. still waiting for more features+stability in kde4 - it will come... - counterplex, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Xenophobic Xerus
- SteveMax, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2KDE+compiz+Ubuntu=krashy
KDE+compiz+other distros = great experience. I've tried it in Gentoo and OpenSUSE 11, and it works great on both. When I tried it in (K)Ubuntu, it was terribly slow and unstable.
KDE in Ubuntu is awful in general. It is a Gnome-centric distro, and that won't ever change. If you want to really measure up KDE (and Gnome), try both under OpenSUSE: it has one of the best KDE3 and Gnome desktops, and the best in KDE4.
When is the Kubuntu team going to pick up some steam? They can't even maintain feature parity with the Gnome-based version on their default desktop! Their customizations are bland, and the system feels poorly integrated. Applications from the Universe or Multiverse default to using FileRoller instead of Ark under Ubuntu's KDE (just an example), so if you browse with Firefox and have both Ubuntu-desktop and Kubuntu-desktop you will have to change lots of associations for users that use KDE.
As it is, there is no point for Kubuntu. Almost every KDE-based distro (and even DE-agnostig distros such as OpenSUSE) beat its experience by a wide margin. It's no surprise that you found Ubuntu's Gnome better than its KDE, because it simply IS better. Use SUSE's Gnome and KDE live CDs to measure the DEs for their strengths and weaknesses and you will be able to see which one you really prefer. I'm not saying that you will prefer KDE (it's a preference thing after all), just that using Kubuntu isn't really a good way to measure that DE. -
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