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- orbish, on 05/03/2009, -0/+27It's been a while since I've had to really dig into ubuntu to fix a problem. How the ubuntu team released a final product with an intel video driver issue is beyond me. Half of the laptops out there run intel drivers. My netbook, an MSI Wind U100, cannot watch youtube or hulu. The article points out 48 different variations to get it right... I'm not about to stab in the dark 48 times. Waiting for an update.
- InorganicMatter, on 05/04/2009, -3/+18Wow, that's a lot of instructions for a distro that tries to bill itself as newb friendly. Even worse when you consider that Intel graphics have 90%+ market share.
- amdlinux, on 05/03/2009, -1/+15If you suffer from these problems, try the packages in the Ubuntu X SWAT team archives:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-up ...
or
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/ppa - stewacide, on 05/04/2009, -1/+14It's terrible that Jaunty was released in such a broken state out-of-the-box. However all problems can be solved by upgrading to the latest 2.6.30 RC kernel and bleeding-edge Intel drivers, for those comfortable doing so.
I don't understand why they shipped broken unfinished drivers instead of just sticking with the old ones while UXA was ironed out. - amdlinux, on 05/03/2009, -1/+13And here is a How-To that helps fixing the issue - but requires command line access:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 - MrSpontaneous, on 05/04/2009, -0/+10eh, as far as trolls go, you get a 2/10.
Also, you don't use 3D cards for video editing ;-) - InorganicMatter, on 05/04/2009, -7/+15How typical of the Ubuntu developers: as usual, everyone except themselves is to blame for hardware problems.
My Intel GMA isn't having any problems in openSUSE. My wireless can also connect to WPA networks. Hmmmm, I wonder why...... - MrSpontaneous, on 05/04/2009, -1/+9Well, this isn't the first questionable decision they've made:
1.) PulseAudio... too early
2.) KDE4... too early
(additional subset: Network Plasmoid in Jaunty... not fully tested, possibly too early)
3.) UXA... too early - LastDitchHero, on 05/04/2009, -0/+8I enabled UXA in xorg.conf and it works even smoother than 8.10 but you do get some freezes up if you use a 2nd monitor.
Overall kind disappointed because I bought an intel graphics for open source support but yet it is goobered up. Maybe they will fix it soon. - oobuntu, on 05/04/2009, -0/+7We need a Jaunty 9.04.1 when all this is fixed.
- brianpeiris, on 05/04/2009, -0/+6Try this quick fix before you mess with the kernel, it worked perfectly on my Intel 945GM system.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136738 - mrBitch, on 05/04/2009, -1/+7@ dayal, RE: " @parax "they're not reluctant to polish the appearance of Ubuntu, it's just not a high priority"
Isn't that reluctance? "
No, that is NOT reluctance.
Setting a task as NOT URGENT and being reluctant to do a task are two completely different things.
Unbelievable. - Tenoq, on 05/04/2009, -0/+6This fix adds problems for certain wifi cards though - just a heads-up for laptop users who are thinking of doing this.
- Bridea, on 05/04/2009, -0/+5Jaunty Intel Graphics Performance Guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 - parax, on 05/04/2009, -3/+8I'm sure your reasons for using Ubuntu are different than the rest of us. God forbid you should be like the rest of us peasants.
If you already know for certain that Ubuntu will NEVER be as popular as other OS's (being as popular as other OS's is something you clearly think is crucially important), why would you waste your time or any space in your mind giving it any attention whatsoever? Allow it to float on by as the dust in the wind you obviously believe it to be. - KerrAvon, on 05/04/2009, -0/+5I updated to the 2.6.30rc4 kernel on my acer laptop and the video performance is back to what it was under ubuntu 8.10. Plus updates have been coming through the last 2 days for the intel video problem.
- ThantiK, on 05/04/2009, -1/+5Is it really that hard to open synaptic, click sources -> add, and copy/paste that line -> Then you get a warning that you don't have the key and it asks to procede anyways...you click yes. Much like windows when it says "zomg this driver isn't signed, continue anyway?"
Most of the time the reason for these instructions is because a UI can be different between different versions, so they have to instruct in the most compatible way possible. There are much easier ways, if you actually used/tried ubuntu and had an IQ above 70, you'd know that.
How is that any different than searching google, wading through the spyware/viruses, hope you get the right driver, install it and THEN, have to reboot? It's not - In fact at least this way, your driver can auto-update. - tripzero, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4Intel's driver has performance issues and Ubuntu is to blame? Sorry, I don't seem to follow the logic that ubuntu must make fixes to [every obscure driver] before they make a release... Maybe I suffer from practicality.
NOTE: I'm using intrepid with the backported Intel 2.6 driver and a custom built 2.6.29 kernel and I have much weaker 3D than I did with my 2.6.28 kernel. I sucks, but guess what? I can still use my netbook with compiz. I'd like 3D to improve, but I'm not about to blame ubuntu for changes intel should be making in their driver. This effects all distro's who use the driver and kernel version. So by the logic above, fedora, suse and ubuntu are in "big trouble". - Hecubus452, on 05/04/2009, -2/+6Ubuntu 9.04 doesn't even work on my Nvidia 6800, let alone my Macbook's Intel Integrated graphics.
- Tenoq, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4Try heavier Flash sites. I could watch Youtube on my 1000H (just), but any higher resolution FLV or Flash intensive sites would just slow to a crawl. These fixes will MASSIVELY improve general 3D performance and Flash performance on the 945GM (in my experience). Downside is, it broke my wifi, almost rendering the eeePC useless. :p
- Tenoq, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4That works like a charm - ran through the kernel update on my eeePC and it completely fixed all the Flash performance issues I was having.
Downside is, the new kernel doesn't have my wifi drivers and/or won't let you use restricted drivers. So unless I make my own install and add it to the kernel (which is bound to break when I do), I can either have a netbook with good Flash performance but wifi, or great wifi and no Flash.
Awesome. :p - rpgmakr, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4Wow, and me thinking that this release was perfect, I have it on my desktop and it runs like a charm but on the laptop I have an Intel card. It has always worked right out of the box, after reading this I definitely won't be installing 9.04 on it (even tho I wasn't planning to).
Ubuntu always has this kind of bugs that you think that they won't actually ship the release with. So the only mainstream manufacturer that develops its driver in a FLOSS friendly way and we blacklist them? Nice job. - GavinZac, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3Is Mark Shuttleworth supposed to be writing kernel code for Intel now?
- Slade605, on 05/04/2009, -1/+4I'm quite confused by your use of "polished." Do you mean you want everything and anything to be usable through a GUI? Or would you prefer a desktop environment that forces you to have a start bar or dock station? Also if you don't like it and you claim you use it for development purposes... Why not change it? The source code is readily available.
- LingNoi, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3If you want stable you go with the LTS release lines. That's what they're for, stability at the expense of new and shiny.
- parax, on 05/04/2009, -1/+4@dayal911
You use it for exactly the same reason everyone else uses it. You have a computing need that can be filled by Ubuntu and you use it to solve that problem.
Ubuntu is successful because Canonical isn't competing in a popularity contest with arbitrarily selected contestants. They're aware of the flaws in their distribution. They're not reluctant to polish the appearance of Ubuntu, it's just not a high priority. That's like saying Toyota is reluctant to make the Prius as sleek as a Lamborghini. It has nothing to do with reluctance. They're not competing in the same category.
Ubuntu services a market aimed at transparency and open standards. Windows and OSX service a market aimed at proprietary solutions. OSX and Windows aren't even really in the same market as each other either. There's only a thin sliver of overlap between OSX and Windows users. Very few people are on the cusp that could go either way, most people have their needs clearly met by one or the other. Most people need a specific application and so select the OS that's known to host that application. The number of average computer users that could easily go either way are few and far between. - strangeman, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3BTW.. no problems whatsoever with my Aspire One..
- jay019, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3Amarok 2. Waaaaaay too early. :P
- orbish, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3maybe we need to stick with the LTS versions
- jay019, on 05/04/2009, -3/+6Why, because they are too stupid to follow simple instructions. *****, even my Nanna handled that without even batting an eyelid.
- orbish, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3The netbook market is entirely intel based graphics at this point. Well, it was the last time I checked... if it isn't it's a good 98%. Shuttleworth proclaimed 9.04 would be geared towards netbooks. What a crock.
- KibibyteBrain, on 05/04/2009, -1/+4I find it strange that some other Linux distros without a consumer focus have done pretty well with design/aesthetics, but Ubuntu consistently fails or seems to at least make unpopular decisions in this department, given it's goal of mainstream appeal. Perhaps Ubuntu has the RDF of the Linux world.
Oh, and to respond to some other comments, Windows does not force you to use a taskbar/explorer, nor does OSX force you to use a dock/the Finder. You can fully customize the GUI for any OS, although its much more clear and supported in FOSS OSes than others. - ukblacknight, on 05/04/2009, -1/+3You're absolutely right. I've been running Ubuntu since 7.04 and love it, but the process of adding repo's is a nightmare.
There is an idea on the Ubuntu Brainstorm, that really needs more attention: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17692/
It should be a one-click process, along with entering the root password. This process would add the repo, add the key and then install the software you originally desired (if the use case involves that process). - Swipecat, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2Mandriva 2009.1 is also in exactly the same position. The default installation on my laptop left the Intel graphics driver crashed. I had to boot it into text mode to select the older driver, and that runs noticeably slower.
- jay019, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2I have an Intel 950 in my Toshiba and haven't had any issues.
- LingNoi, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2Well it works on my 6800, you != everyone I guess
- a8ksh4, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2I ran into these problems on my Dell Optiplex 960, which has the Intel GMA X4500. Maybe the slowness outlined here was the root cause, but I experienced it as horrible graphics glitches affecting all gui apps. Firefox was particularly bad when displaying jpg images. This is a pretty big roadblock for a lot of people trying to use Ubuntu 9.04 on any system w/ an intel graphics chip.
- computershack, on 05/04/2009, -1/+3"I don't understand why they shipped broken unfinished drivers instead of just sticking with the old ones while UXA was ironed out."
Because it's Ubuntu and since 8.04 was released, they've had a history of releasing new versions with some really big ***** still in place just to meet the deadline even though the comments in Bugtraq from devs read "SHOW STOPPING BUG. Release should be delayed until resolved." - SmSpillaz, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2For those who are concerned - these changes might be painful in the meantime but are ultimately necessary for the future graphics drivers. The problem is that the new driver doesn't like the old rendering system and DRI2 is not exactly stable at the moment. There were similar problems with the radeon driver in Fedora already which poor performance whilst having KMS.
Hopefully the next releases of distros will ship the complete updated driver configuration. - jaytek13, on 05/04/2009, -3/+5"For Linux users who don't need absolute top-notch 3D performance, Intel is considered the preferred graphics solution"
"Intel’s drivers are currently in a state of some disarray"
Huh? Pick one, you can't have both. And having used Linux for 10 plus years now, I've never ever heard of Intel gpu being "preferred" for anything. If you don't need top-notch, get an old Nvidia card. If you do need top-notch, get a new Nvidia card. The answer is always Nvidia. Intel... pfft. - LingNoi, on 05/06/2009, -1/+2If your time was precious you wouldn't be trolling on digg.
- ukblacknight, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1@ThantiK
It's not hard, it's just fiddly when it could be an more straight forward process. For new people who wish to add repositories, it's a bit of a strange process.
Copy and paste two lines, then click on a link that is just numbers and letters, then another link, copy that text into a text document somewhere and import that key.
Why *wouldn't* you want that to be more straight forward? To someone that hasn't done it before, it's baffling. - ThantiK, on 05/04/2009, -1/+2It's as simple as this: BSD is BSD...Linux is Linux - They're similar, but completely different. BSD is as close to a PC unix as you can get. Linux isn't even POSIX compliant.
BSD doesn't feed off of Linux code. If it did the GPL would "poison" it. I suspect a lot of BSD changes do go into the Linux Kernel however, since the BSD license isn't as restrictive. (GPL requires code to be released back into the wild, BSD license allows you to take and do whatever you want with their code and requires nothing back in return, there are a lot of moral dilemmas between these approaches, but that's a different discussion entirely) - Frostek, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1I expect Amarok 2 to be great - *when* it's finished!
Right now it's just too patchy for my liking. Back to my old reliable version - still does everything I need! - paulsmith288, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1why? Because this is Ubuntu... they release broken things....
there fixed it for you.
Linux != ubuntu. Look at something like slackware - they dont release broken stuff. But then again dont have a release every - stevenelliottjr, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1I installed Jaunty on my hp 8710w laptop and was up and running in about 5 minutes... granted I don't have an intel graphics card. So, far I think its the bomb... I just got off of a Mac OS X developing Ruby Apps -- I am happy to be off the Mac and Ruby for that matter.. ahhh, I love SQL
- esssential, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1completely crashed everything (945GM). I'm cruisin around compiz with the new kernel tho.
- mok000, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1The big difference is that vendors actively support Windows and computers are sold with the OS installed and working. Most users live with the version of Windows installed on their machine when purchased and never upgrade.
How many Microsoft users would be able to install their OS from scratch, drivers and all? - Frostek, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1I have a 6800 - no problems noted at all.
- Azathothh, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1uhh they blame ATI for a bad Intel open source driver?
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