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Ubuntu 7.10 let’s YOU choose your level of freedom

jonathancarter.co.za — "There’s one particular aspect of Gutsy that I think is more important than most, and that is that it allows you to choose your level of freedom. I ’d even go as far to say that this is an historic Linux distribution release, because of that."

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  • islingt0ner, on 10/15/2007, -43/+7I wish Gutsy would release, and we could stop seeing these stories.
  • Switchnig, on 10/18/2007, -116/+11ubuntu sucks balls
    • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/15/2007, -6/+29Wow thank you, that comment added so much value to this story. /sarcasm
    • 16777216, on 10/15/2007, -21/+4Yes it does.
      And that's why I love it.

      *eyes roll back in head*
      Ohhh yeahhh.
    • JasonsLan, on 10/16/2007, -27/+2your mom and your wife suck my balls.... at the same time...
      • Dylson, on 10/15/2007, -3/+11K, that was just stupid as hell.
      • championchap, on 10/15/2007, -3/+1How could they both suck each of them at the same time?
        Dylson was right, that is a stupid comment.
        • remccain, on 10/15/2007, -1/+3Obviously you've never experienced a menage a trois. I assure you, it's quite possible.
          • potp, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2watching it on torrented porn != Experiencing it.
    • renegadeafk, on 10/15/2007, -4/+28You all fail
    • RandaII, on 10/18/2007, -22/+3why digg him down for saying the truth. you are all ***** fan boys . Ubuntu ***** sucks
      • mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/18/2007, -0/+9ok....he was dug down for not saying any reason why.... and you will be dug down also for not saying any reason why. I like ubuntu, and am interested what you don't like it? Are your up set there making it easier to install non-free software? there giving users choice what more could you want.
  • plato747, on 10/16/2007, -8/+20Remember the rules for Upgrading to Gutsy:
    http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Ground_Rules_for_upgr ...
    • Chandon, on 10/15/2007, -1/+25Once Gutsy is released, there will be an "Upgrade to 7.10" button in Update Manager that you can click. Not 5 rules - one click.
      • spudlyo, on 10/15/2007, -4/+6Meh, I've always done it via apt-get.


        • trogdoor, on 10/15/2007, -1/+71: It's apt-get dist-upgrade
          2: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
          "Manual command-line upgrade (not recommended)

          Please note - this method is less reliable. If you use this method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectedly, etc. Using Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic."
          • spudlyo, on 10/15/2007, -0/+51: 'dist-upgrade' is an argument.
            2: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:pedantic

            I want to see the man behind the curtain, your mom probably doesn't.
          • trogdoor, on 10/15/2007, -1/+1Spudlyo updated his comment, when I replied to it it said something like "Why not use apt-get upgrade" And it's more than seeing what is happening "behind the curtain", if you want to do that use the server upgrade tool, it's about extra sanity checks that update manager does which apt-get dist-upgrade does not.
        • Chandon, on 10/15/2007, -0/+6Apt-get dist-upgrade just gives you the latest version of every package. Between Ubuntu releases, they generally change things in the base system as well (things like device names). Apt-get won't always get those changes, which can result in weird issues. Upgrade-manager handles all this stuff correctly. This actually ends up being really annoying for Ubuntu Servers, but it's perfectly clean on a desktop.
          • trogdoor, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4"sudo do-release-upgrade" for servers.

            And BTW, the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" is that "dist-upgrade" will allow for the removal of obsolete packages, and is used for upgrading between releases in debian proper.
        • Chicken001, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1The problem is that when you get packages that don't finish quite right.
      • spudlyo, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Ah, that's good to know, thanks. I won't be doing it with apt-get this time around.
  • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/21/2007, -4/+45With every release I am more and more impressed with Ubuntu. I have been running it for a little over six months without a hiccup, which I couldn't have quite said before that time.
    • mikefitz2, on 10/15/2007, -42/+7i've been running the same xp install for four years now with no hiccups. Clearly, XP is superior.
      • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -6/+20God you're annoying.
      • CATSCEO, on 10/15/2007, -5/+8Clearly you are lying.
        • Tenoq, on 10/15/2007, -2/+2Na, he just never turns his box on for anything other than e-mail and Digg.
        • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/15/2007, -2/+1you forgot porn.
      • pastasauce, on 10/15/2007, -0/+12I've been running xp and ubuntu for years, and I the 'hiccup ratio' is almost equal. Clearly, nothing is perfect.
      • championchap, on 10/15/2007, -1/+6I've not run Ubuntu for as long as I have XP.
        But I format and start fresh every year or so with XP, anyone else do the same with Ubuntu?
    • bratterscain, on 10/15/2007, -1/+11I agree. I'm using the Kubuntu 7.10 beta. XP used to be my main OS with the previous release. But there's a lot more improved in Kubuntu lately. It works much more smooth, easier to set up, more aesthetically pleasing without sacrificing as much resources, and it's more seamless now. Setting up my bluetooth phone was just a click away. Also I can smoothly run XP in virtualbox if I got to missing mspaint too much.

      I admittedly got a little frustrated with the last release and a couple of things but I got 7.10 looking and running sweet.
      • monroetransfer, on 10/14/2007, -0/+3kolourpaint
      • MonkeyFit, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1I love KDE more than GNOME, but Kubuntu always seems to lag behind Ubuntu by about a release. That's always pissed me off, on top of the fact that there's FAR more community support for Ubuntu than Kubuntu.
        • Vinvin, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1Yeah, Xubuntu has about the same problem, though it's even smaller than Kubuntu.

          For example, displayconfig-gtk, which is a great application, is set to only have a menu entry in Gnome, while it works (and even is installed) fine in Xfce. Actually, it should be set not to display in KDE :(
        • Vinvin, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1Yeah, Xubuntu has about the same problem, though it's even smaller than Kubuntu.

          For example, displayconfig-gtk, which is a great application, is set to only have a menu entry in Gnome, while it works (and even is installed) fine in Xfce. Actually, it should be set not to display in KDE :(
    • jbuberel, on 10/15/2007, -0/+5I agree with the steady progress made by Ubuntu and Kubuntu over the last few releases. I have three home machines running either 7.04 or 7.10RC. My wife, who is not a PC expert by any means, prefers her Kubuntu/Dell laptop configuration over her employer-issued Vista laptop - it does a better job staying connected to public WiFi networks and is more reliable in general.

      I now have 7.10RC on my spare PC at home, and the new Compz-Fusion stuff looks gorgeous.
    • acl123, on 10/15/2007, -2/+6Ubuntu is OK, but I can't say that it's been painless for me. After 6 months, my graphics card is still giving me endless headaches and those crashes when watching YouTube videos aren't too fun either. OK I know the latter is caused by bugs in Flash not Ubuntu. But bugs in Ubuntu's screen resolution management and driver management aren't helping me with my graphic card troubles.
      • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/15/2007, -2/+4I am not saying it is perfect, just that it is progressing nicely.
        • acl123, on 10/15/2007, -4/+1Yeah it is.
          I'm not saying that it's all bad - lots of cool stuff in it. I wish it did work 100% perfectly and then I would never miss Windows.
          • shawnz, on 10/15/2007, -2/+3so what you're saying is... windows works 100% perfectly? why not just use it?
        • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/15/2007, -1/+2Nothing will ever be 100%.
      • Sketchcast, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2If those are your biggest issues, II think you'll really enjoy 7.10 as it addresses a lot of usability issues surrounding restricted video card drivers, flash, and has made configuration of display / mult-display a whole lot more straightforward.
    • RandaII, on 10/18/2007, -14/+2and you also get to be a bigger ***** sheep with every new release. Ubuntu isn't for real linux users just ***** ass sheep
      • UNL1M1T3D, on 10/15/2007, -1/+4Oh sorry I am not as 1337 as you are. So what are you running hot shot?
      • MicrosoftBob, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3Yep, that's exactly what the Linux community needs: infighting and dick-measuring.

        Why not be a part of the solution and not the problem, Randall?
    • gudnbluts, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2I've been running it for a little over 5 days on my newish laptop. I had a lot of trouble getting my wifi card working, a little trouble getting encryption working, managed to screw up grub at one stage but everything else has been surprisingly smooth. It's even happy with my brand new mp3 player, which surprised the hell out of me. Still not quite there for Mr Average, but for someone with a bit of technical ability, well, let's just say I'm already starting to look at the Windows partition as free space.
  • repruhsent, on 10/15/2007, -73/+4Ubuntu will never be taken seriously as long as they keep giving it idiotic codenames like Gutsy Gibbon. Don't try to refute with "BUT DELL SELLS IT LOL" either, since Dell treats it more like a hobby OS for hobbyists (which, coincidentally, is all Ubuntu really is, with the exception of server installs).
    • JasonsLan, on 10/15/2007, -5/+42You're retarded, those are build names, just as in the MS world with all these stupid names:

      SUR (Shell Update Release) Windows NT 4.0 Some of the original goals of Cairo were never achieved - such as an object file system, itself known as Cairo. Microsoft originally planned for NT 4.0 to be just a simple "Shell Update Release" to integrate the Windows 95 GUI with Windows NT 3.51's kernel.
      Wolfpack Microsoft Cluster Server
      Hydra Terminal Services, Terminal Server Terminal Server adds "multiheading" support to Windows (the ability to run multiple instances of the graphics subsystem), and the hydra is a mythological monster with multiple heads.
      Impala Windows NT 4.0 Embedded
      Windows NT 5.0 Windows 2000 A watershed in Windows naming:

      * first major Windows release since Windows 2.0 without a codename;
      * first major Windows NT release whose client variant was named "Professional" instead of "Workstation";
      * first major Windows NT release without the "NT" designation in the trade name, which caused confusion when Windows ME was released. The original Windows line (Windows 9x) has since been dropped altogether, and Windows NT operating systems since then are simply referred to as "Windows".

      Asteroid Windows 2000 Service Pack 1
      Janus Windows 2000 64-bit Same codename as Windows 3.1
      Odyssey N/A Ideas project, merged to Whistler.
      Neptune N/A Ideas project, merged to Whistler.
      Whistler Windows .NET 2001[citation needed] Windows XP Merge of Whistler build 2202, Neptune and Project Odyssey. Named after Whistler, British Columbia, where design retreats were held.
      Mantis Windows XP Embedded
      eHome Windows XP Media Center Edition
      Freestyle Windows XP Media Center Edition 2003 Name of a terrain rating system in the Whistler-Blackcomb resort.
      Harmony Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004 Name of a ski lift and alpine bowl in Whistler, British Columbia.
      Symphony Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 Name of an alpine bowl in Whistler, British Columbia.
      Emerald Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 Update Rollup 2 Name of a ski lift in Whistler, British Columbia.
      Trainyard Windows XP Service Pack 1 Trainyard was an engineering package of driver updates to ship simultaneously with Windows XP Service Pack 1, the most major of which was support for USB 2.0 which was also ported backwards to Windows 2000.
      Springboard Windows XP Service Pack 2 Name of a ski run on Blackcomb in Whistler, British Columbia.
      Lone Star Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 A branch of the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 codebase, featuring enhancements specifically for Tablet PC hardware.
      Whistler Server Windows .NET Server Windows Server 2003 One of many unrelated Microsoft projects of the time to carry a ".NET" designation. See: Microsoft .NET.
      Bobcat Windows Small Business Server 2003 Bobcat is a ski-run on Whistler Mountain.
      Eiger Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs A low-end version of Windows XP that is intended to be a thin-client that works with older hardware. Available through Software Assurance program. The Eiger is a mountain in the Bernese Oberland in Switzerland. The Eiger is part of a trio of mountains, The Eiger, The Mönch and The Jungfrau.
      Mönch Similar to Eiger, but supports Windows Mobile devices, Windows Image Acquisition, wireless networking, VPN-s and advanced IP (Internet Protocol) security. The Mönch is a mountain in the Bernese Oberland in Switzerland. The Mönch is part of a trio of mountains, The Eiger, The Mönch and The Jungfrau.
      Longhorn Windows Vista Went gold (RTM) on 8 of November 2006. Named after the Longhorn Bar in the Whistler-Blackcomb resort; initially planned as an "interim release" between "Whistler" and "Blackcomb" (which is now "Vienna").
      Cougar Windows Small Business Server "Longhorn" In development. Cougar is a ski-run on Whistler Mountain.
      Longhorn Windows Server 2008 In development. Planned server equivalent of Windows Vista to be released in 2008.
      Centro In development. Planned "mid-size" (25-500 PC) edition of Longhorn Server.[1].
      Fiji Planned as (or believed to be) a kind of "add-on" to Windows Vista to be released in 2008 before Vienna in 2009. It (so far) is speculated to include an improved sidebar, better speech recognition, new themes, and a Garageband-like application presumably called 'Monaco.' However, this could end up being pure rumor or Vista Service Pack 1. At this moment, much of the information available is speculation.
      Blackcomb, Vienna Windows 7 Originally codenamed "Blackcomb" after the Whistler-Blackcomb resort. Renamed to "Vienna" in January 2006.
      Q, Quattro
      • qbelek2, on 10/15/2007, -10/+3but unlike microsoft they use it AFTER development too - in repositories, on forums, everywhere. I always need to keep a bookmark to wikipedia just to unscramble this *****. whats wrong with 7.10?
        if you ask anyone to tell you types of windows you will get: 95, 98, 2000, xp, vista. What about office? 97, 2003, 2007. there. simple. try that with ubuntu... :P
        • jdhore1, on 10/15/2007, -1/+7You can say either and people will understand what you mean. The only place where it MUST say the codename is the sources.list because they update the OS too much to use a testing/stable designation.
          • qbelek2, on 10/15/2007, -6/+2yes on the Ubuntu forums they will, but when I'm talking with someone on the street and I don't have access to web site translating these dumb names to numbers I have no idea what version we are talking about... And it seems I'm not the only one. Even some people who are deep in Ubuntu get confused about this. And since they pop out a new distro every 6 months its really really confusing and soon it will be very very crowded.
            people at Ubuntu should rethink the naming scheme, and if they want to continue with this parade at least use names that are not total gibberish. Names should be simple and easy to remember. Oh and by the way the more people can understand your project name without using a dictionary the better...
            yes its fun I get it. but its not practical at all... And deep down in your heart you know it's true. ;-)
          • Gerbil_Juice, on 10/15/2007, -0/+6Anyone that actually uses Ubuntu knows what name correlates to what number. And it's not as if "someone on the street" knows what Ubuntu even is in the first place. Two names a year are hardly that difficult to remember.
          • PAStheLoD, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1You might ask that someone on the street about which is which .. :|
    • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -1/+19Most consumers wouldn't even know it by "Gutsy Gibbon" they would know it by "Ubuntu 7.10" - nearly every program available has a "code name" it just happens to be popular to refer to it by name in the Ubuntu community.
    • Scynet, on 10/15/2007, -2/+7Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. I'm quite happy with it the way it is. If "taking it seriously" means we have to make it like Windows, I'd rather pass. We already have Windows for PC-illiterate mainstream folks and corporate world, for as long as the Linux support base stays as large as it is, I've no problems.
    • bratterscain, on 10/15/2007, -0/+11Says someone who's nick is "repruhsent". Sweet irony.
    • neko, on 10/15/2007, -0/+5BUT DELL SELLS IT LOL.
  • neiltc13, on 10/15/2007, -67/+2How are they ever going to convince people to switch to Ubuntu if they:

    a) Don't change the name, it sounds like a naughty body part
    b) Don't stop forcing people to make choices rather than just picking the best one
    c) Don't pay a proper developer

    Hmm?
    • kilps, on 10/15/2007, -2/+25a) get over the name - if that's the only reason you don't like a OS then I have no hope...
      b) personally I like choice - imagine having only once choice of car with no optional extras? or one political party with no choice in candidates - there is no best one so rather explain the strengths of each one so you can choose what is best for you
      c) define proper developer. Canonical does pay developers - and I'm pretty sure that they are 'proper' - if you are talking about the open source model then stop being so closed minded - the whole point is that there are so many different volunteers - that's what makes it work so well - come now - get up to date
    • daftman, on 10/15/2007, -0/+12Forcing people to make choice? Isn't that an oxymoron?
      • neiltc13, on 10/15/2007, -3/+2Google:

        Define: Oxymoron
      • jdhore1, on 10/15/2007, -1/+2It's not an oxymoron (the OP is though), it's an ironic statement.
    • Renton, on 10/15/2007, -2/+12Because choices are so annoying. I prefer Microsoft because I don't have to install the latest DRM, they do it for me without my consent.
    • davidrools, on 10/15/2007, -1/+12home basic, home premium, business, enterprise, ultimate edition, home server, 32bit, 64 bit??
      • BassJunkie, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2missed Ultimate Signature Edition.....
    • setdosa, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1Like kilps mentioned, its only a name. And if you haven't realized yet, its not English! In fact, you should appreciate the meaning behind the word, and be happy that there are people who are willing to work for that cause.
      Oh! and one last thing, GROW UP!!
  • Dan2552, on 10/15/2007, -12/+3When I can actually boot into X on the install CD, maybe I'll try it... So far doesn't like my laptop's mobility radeon x1600
    • trogdoor, on 10/15/2007, -0/+6Try Gutsy, I am pretty damn sure that if X has really been the problem in previous releases that X will at least start with Gutsy. In fact, I'd bet money on it.
    • greggh, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I have a radeon x1600 pro in my laptop and the X on ubuntu's install cd has worked for me every time, from Dapper through Gutsy. I dont know what the problem is on yours, but it works great on mine.
  • Desimat0r, on 10/21/2007, -11/+20Ubuntu 7.10 let’s YOU choose your level of freedom
    let's more like lets
    • eje211, on 10/15/2007, -4/+17Actually, it should be "Ubuntu let's YOU choo'se you're level of freedom". ("Freedo'm" is also acceptable.)
  • jman583, on 10/15/2007, -2/+6Mirror?!?
  • Ev1d3nc3, on 10/15/2007, -6/+20Coral Cache got it.
    http://jonathancarter.co.za.nyud.net:8080/ubuntu-7 ...
  • renegadeafk, on 10/15/2007, -8/+1Server down
  • truegodofwar, on 10/15/2007, -32/+13working mirrors:
    http://jonathancarter.co.za.nyud.net:8080/ubuntu-7 ...
    http://jonathancarter.co.za.nyud.net:8090/ubuntu-7 ...

    brought to you by http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

    ..
    now the real question is.
    will you digg me for the mirrors?
    or bury me for the spam?
    You decide!
    • renegadeafk, on 10/15/2007, -4/+3Nice plug
    • neiltc13, on 10/18/2007, -6/+1It's actually "We report, you decide if Gutsy Gibbon really is a joke"

      FNC FTW!
    • Carpex, on 10/15/2007, -0/+9I am burying you for both cause the mirrors are not working.
    • truegodofwar, on 10/15/2007, -4/+3They were working when I posted them.
  • Dylson, on 10/15/2007, -18/+12Since when do I not have freedom in Linux? This is just stupid. Buried.
    • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8I'm a Ubuntu fan, and I personally think the article sucked, but whatever.
    • drakethegreat, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Agreed because this is just hype. Besides the enhancement of being able to select a free alternative to flash, everything else is only minor that was mentioned and the actual freedom was already there before this release. Really non-news to me. Don't get me wrong though, I use Ubuntu but I don't think this is the most monumental Linux release ever, that seems to have came from someone who hasn't been involved with Linux for very long...
    • obxjdt, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Point "Dylson"!
    • yagidem, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1Fear the Ubuntu fanboys, some might don't even know they are running a Linux. Maybe that is why they need "TOP 1000 PROGRAM'S FOR UBUNTU" lists and stuff...
  • davidlitts, on 10/15/2007, -1/+18I've been beta testing and I'm now running the RC of gusty, I have to say this is the best distros I've every used out of the box(off the disk), If you look at it from a newbie perspective a lot of things are easier now. So much that used to be command line is now GUI and I think thats one of people biggest fears of Linux, Will it work and do I need to be a programmer to make it work. I'd like to think in second or third release after this one we will truly have a "windows killer" on our hands
    • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -0/+7So far (even with some major issues I've had) I love the 7.10 beta. Can't wait till the 18th.
    • Ev1d3nc3, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8Yes, I totally agree.
      Compiz is extremely easy to use and install, which is a HUGE upgrade from 7.04.
      • sishgupta, on 10/15/2007, -0/+8I'd hope it would be easy to install...seeing as it comes pre-installed.
        • peestandingup, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1Well, there is no controller for it pre-installed, so how would people even know that??
      • crestfall, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1So, being that I have CF running flawlessly and beautifully, is there a reason i should go with the built-in version? Can i just leave that disabled and stick with my install of it? Can you import the flat-file profiles into the built-in version?
        • trogdoor, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4If you are upgrading from Feisty I would remove the repository you added for Compiz-Fusion and just let the upgrade replace the old installation with official Gutsy packages, unless CF is somehow different from most other programs the configuration should persist, even if the package somehow gets removed in the process of upgrading.
    • drakethegreat, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8Possibly but don't get your hopes too high. People have been calling new distros Windows killers but in reality it won't happen overnight. Look at how Firefox has performed over the last few years. Its still taking market but slowly so killer is probably not the best word to use. If Ubuntu continues to improve its UI and make things more intuitive then it may be able to help cause a slow death to Windows.
    • w022a, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I completely agree. This forthcoming release has all the makings of a very polished distribution indeed. The compiz-fusion GUI extensions are arguably slicker and more useful than Windows Aero and Mac OSX. There are still a handful of minor grievances that affirm for me that it's not quite ready for the masses... but these will come in time. I'm sure by the time we see "Jolty Jaguar" or "Kooky Kangaroo", Ubuntu (and it's siblings lets not forget) may be acknowledged as a genuinely feasible Desktop Operating system.

      With all this said, I still see little incentive for the likes of Adobe and the major games studios to provide support for Linux which for me at least is a major inhibitor for completely migrating away from Windows.. But i wait and i watch with baited breathe!
    • nogChoco, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1IMO, the only way to kill Windows, is by having every new game available on Linux at the same time.
      • Sketchcast, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1These days everyone I know who plays games owns an XBox. Having to pony up several thousand dollars every two years to play the latest games is killing the PC gaming market.
    • wabbiteh, on 10/15/2007, -1/+1My only fear, and the reason why I am slightly unhappy with the recent large rise of desktop linux, is that it won't become a windows killer, but a windows replacement. You say that things are becoming much simpler and that the command line is being replaced by GUI tools - while GUI tools are useful to a point, they obscure the workings of the operating system. Without any reason to simplify the 'hidden' workings of the system, and a tendency to sweep it under the rug, everything can get really ugly and complicated. So when something inevitably does go wrong, people have no clue how to fix it. (Simple example: some program futzes with the X server, which confuses the desktop environment's display settings dialog causing all sorts of warnings/errors, or loss of functionality. If one has only been exposed to GUI dialogs, they will have no idea what's going on, other than "it doesn't work".)
      I dunno, personally I just hate obscuring how things work, as handy as some GUI tools are.
  • emanpa68, on 10/15/2007, -11/+37I know everyone here doesnt want to hear this, and I'm probably gonna get a curb stomping of diggs down, but...

    We need a linux OS that does not require even one command to be entered, or config file to be edited and have users be able to customize their system. Then the masses will convert. Otherwise, sorry, I have to stick with my current os x and win 2k
    • SteelFrog, on 10/15/2007, -0/+15Agreed - there's still a steep learning curve to Ubuntu but with each release, they are getting closer and closer to achieving that goal.
      • davidlitts, on 10/15/2007, -0/+9like wise i agree, until everything is GUI and simple, ala windows osx, then there won't be a mass move to linux, but once that threshold is crossed linux could easy overtake any for profit os
    • TheJokerV, on 10/15/2007, -0/+13I agree. We have to remember that the large majority of people are a) retarded or b) lazy. What windows and mac (mac more than windows) excel at is making an OS virtually retard proof. We need a Linux distribution that "just works" even if it means removing some functionality. Part of what hinders Linux but at the same time makes it so great is the customizablity. As the growing success of apple has shown us, users would gladly give up customization and functionality for ease of use.
      • ninja0, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2hahahahaha
        "I agree. We have to remember that the large majority of people are a) retarded"
        nice.
    • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -4/+2PCLinuxOS might do you well.
    • Zettablade, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4A large number of distro's out there are really close to this goal. They just aren't there yet.
    • peestandingup, on 10/15/2007, -0/+6YOU GOD DAMN RIGHT! It really should have happened already honestly. But, one day. Soon hopefully.
    • Shananra, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Ubuntu is closing in on that. Though I'll admit that I am in no way intimidated by the command line, and I do many things via the terminal that could just as easily be done via GUI (for speed reasons mostly, for example remote administration) I definitely see the value in this for getting non-techie users running the alternate OS.

      The reason I even care what OS other people are using is because an increased market share will force developers and manufacturers to pay attention to Linux- which benefits me. Hopefully Photoshop isn't too far out.
    • lasermission, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3With a clean Gutsy install the only time I had to use the command line was to build VirtualBox.

      You can install 'Ubuntu Restricted Extras' and Flash from the Add/Remove programs...really the below average windows user should be able to install Gutsy and get to youtube or digg-- assuming they use ethernet.
    • wattersm, on 10/15/2007, -2/+1God forbid we learn something about the computer we use.
      • pyrates, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1Do you need to know what happens when you turn the key in your car to get it running? No. You shouldn't need to have that kind of knowledge with linux either.
    • grg183, on 10/15/2007, -1/+1What you are asking for in called Windows ...stick with it if that's what you like ...Linux is not for everyone
  • kermithefrogand, on 10/15/2007, -11/+5windows xp, please take note!!
    • ninja0, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1take note of what? that it sucks compared to ubuntu? (unless you're a gamer)
  • truegodofwar, on 10/15/2007, -2/+7by, the way. Don't use gnash. It's works for youtube videos,but it fails most everything else.
    • Megatog615, on 10/15/2007, -1/+10Thing is though, that's what 75% of what all users of flash use flash for.
    • truegodofwar, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2It doesn't work on other video sites.
  • jeffchuck, on 10/15/2007, -3/+32"Gutsy seems to be shaping up to be the best Ubuntu release ever"
    Shouldn't this go without saying? The developers would be doing a terrible job if the new version was worse than what came before it.
    • r00tus3r, on 10/15/2007, -0/+18It's not like it's unheard of. Familiar with an OS called ME?
      • synwolf, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8That was not an OS. OS stands for "Operating" and "System." ME failed the "operation" and "system" requirements - if it did operate, it was most likely an accident.

        Windows ME hated life.
    • keviniskool, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3iMovie '08?
    • niceyuk, on 10/15/2007, -3/+5"Shouldn't this go without saying? The developers would be doing a terrible job if the new version was worse than what came before it."
      It should go without saying but Windows Vista is a huge step backwards from Windows XP.
      • Sketchcast, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4Especially in the usability department. The new UI is cluttered, disorganized and inconsistent, and the simplest of tasks takes twice as many clicks as in XP. Microsoft's design team are a bunch of no talent hacks, just look at MSN homepage vs. Google, or Hotmail vs. Gmail, or MSN Messenger vs. Pidgin; the microsoft sites/apps are cluttered, ugly, slow, and bordering on unusable.
  • yevkasem, on 10/15/2007, -1/+13it's not historic. maybe for someone who has only ever used ubuntu (the author?), and who thinks ubuntu _is_ linux, it's historic. gentoo, slackware, linuxfromscratch, etc., all gave (give) the user more choice than ubuntu knows what to do with, before ubuntu even existed.

    in fact, the reason i run ubuntu on some of my computers is because i don't want to have to make choices, i just want something stable with conservative upgrades that works. that's always been the glory of ubuntu.
    • warriorscot, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4Ubuntu does still have allot of choice you can do just as much with it as you can with any other distro it just off the bat presents a few choices they have refined very well and made them easy to access and use.

      It also markets itself so much better than any other distro which is pretty historic in itself, they put Ubuntu out there and back it up with professional support and a really friendly forum that has allot fewer of those high mighty linux fanboy types that scare so many new users off.
  • DarthBibble, on 10/15/2007, -7/+17lets*
    • mrjit, on 10/15/2007, -18/+9People really don't give two ***** about your spelling/apostrophe corrections, shut up.
  • mrmacky, on 10/15/2007, -2/+8Every time a new distro rolls out, I keep saying to myself "I should try Fedora Core, or take the time to compile Gentoo"... I want to break away from Ubuntu, but there is no denying it, Ubuntu is becoming a great OS. Historic? No. Well made OS? Definitely.
  • rock774, on 10/15/2007, -1/+5I would love to use Linux but the software i use is not available in linux :(
    • crestfall, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4What software? If it is Win software, have you checked for compatibility with wine? I chose my online poker software because it functions flawlessly within wine, and I have never had a single problem playing through this "windows only" software in Linux.
      • ninja0, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3wine works well for apps, not games though. flash works great. so do many others. but what about the more important thing here...
        the free clones and such?
        linux has a lot of VERY good software... most windows users jsut dont know about it. I stopped using windows all together about 6 months ago. haven't even looked back since. I found that there is a lot of software i used in windows, thats better or equivalent in linux.
  • adarkmethod, on 10/15/2007, -1/+4for people who want ease and don't care about the proprietary VS open source codec/driver war, Linux Mint is absolutely perfect... no real reason to look beyond that. It just works, out of the box... the end
  • Try2ImagineThis, on 10/15/2007, -2/+4"Host Gator!!"
    • AdHaR, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Apparently it also eats up the site with too much traffic...
  • joe90210, on 10/15/2007, -13/+8freedom to me = being able to use any software I want

    I couldn't give too ***** about whether the software is open source or not
    • crestfall, on 10/14/2007, -0/+3use wine, that gets you closer. I need a PS equivalent *now and then*. But I'm not going to buy one from adobe. I use the free version. Or, I guess if you really don't see a difference between open source and proprietary, then you could just pirate all the closed software you need for win or mac. (much easier on win) Does "any software I want" include stuff you can't afford?
    • PurpleZoe, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Codeweavers.com has an office suite that makes it possible to use windows software on Ubuntu.
      You can also get Virtualbox to accommodate those needs. Opensource is sorely needed in a world threatened by greedmongers...
      I've never had a more stable and smooth experience as I've had with Ubuntu.
      You don't need to run a virus scan daily or hourly, because Linux doesn't have virus threats like windows.
      The list of benefits goes on...
      Without the greed, you can be assured the offerings are in the best interest of the common folk.
    • daftman, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Nah that's not freedom. You might as well use bittorrent for all your software as you aren't free to run some proprietary software without consequences, e.g paying for it. Freedom like all aspect in life, isn't easy. It's much easier to bend over than to fight for it. That's why people can still stand crap proprietary products, vendor locks in, music and movie DRM content, because it is so easy to be screwed and feed candy than to demand for alternatives.
  • sephiroth4, on 10/15/2007, -4/+2YOOOOUUUUUU!
  • scorpio70, on 10/15/2007, -1/+0Working mirror, someone? Anyone?
  • KrayzieKyd, on 10/15/2007, -5/+4BURY because of unnecessary punctuation.

    "lets" not "let's"... as in "let's spell check before someone lets you know that you're an idiot"
    • stevetheninja, on 10/15/2007, -1/+4Quick! Let's bury everything that has minor grammatical mistakes, no matter what the content!
      • ninja0, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1yeah, flame the submitter all u want, but don't bury it cuz of the mistake.
  • Ghomf, on 10/15/2007, -4/+3poor south african web server .
    • wattersm, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Um, their servers are in Florida, hence the "gator" in HostGator.
  • binarypower, on 10/15/2007, -1/+2Who needs the mirror, just download it and check it out
  • RandaII, on 10/18/2007, -14/+3Ubuntu is the biggest ***** piece of ***** ever made.
  • gahannamailman, on 10/15/2007, -1/+032bit X-FI drivers please
  • dan991199, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2does this release have built in dual monitor support ?
    • scorpio70, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1Yes, I'm buying a new video card for it.
    • zman14321, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1Xorg7.3 is in it, and it is supposed to do dual monitors very easily. Very easily is a VERY relative term though. Best of luck.
    • Vektuz, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3if you have a nvidia card, make sure you use
      gksudo nvidia-settings
      instead of their stuff... (after installing the restricted drivers).
      Using their stuff, checking the wrong box will break your system, permanently (unless you're familliar with text mode config editing)
  • xxdesmus, on 10/15/2007, -2/+3I heart Ubuntu, but it still fails miserably at supporting wireless on my laptop.
    • daftman, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Change the wireless card on your laptop.
    • gudnbluts, on 10/15/2007, -0/+0I had problems too. I needed to uninstall the included version of ndiswrapper, download and compile the source code for it, and use windows drivers found on the net. Then it worked, but what a hassle. If you have a Broadcom 4318, like me, that's pretty foolproof.
    • reedatschool, on 10/15/2007, -0/+0I installed it on my Presario with the dreaded Broadcomm 4311 chipset, but it worked and I only had to use the restricted driver. First time I did not have to use the ndiswrapper workaround. My friend installed 7.10 on his Acer laptop which also has a Broadcomm 4318 and it worked flawlessly. Even with Windows drivers handy you are looking at hours to set everything up in Windows, Gutsy simply blows it out of the water, of course results may vary :)
  • rahuman, on 10/15/2007, -1/+0Site seems to be down...Seems life Gator hosting can't take the digg pressure... lol
  • thecheatah, on 10/15/2007, -5/+5I am running ubuntu gutsy on my laptop and my computer. There are A LOT of bugs right now. Bugs such as my X crashing (recommendation dont use video or 3d apps ajflsdjflasdf). My laptop not waking up after it goes to sleep or wost yet crashing while its going to sleep. Its just not very useful right now. I really hope they fix these issues.

    If any one diggs me down cuz they think im hating on ubuntu ***** YOU. I want Gutsy to work and I want it to work at least as good as feisty. (note to self dont upgrade to beta software)
    • Cherubim, on 10/15/2007, -2/+1You're using a test release so what did you expect ?
    • daftman, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I'm digging you down because you feel there is a need to curse at people who digg you down. This isn't a popularity contest, I disagree with you and thus I digg you down.
    • yagidem, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2***** YOU UBUNTU HATER! ;D
      Well, it's a beta. Just wait for the final.
    • barbecue, on 10/15/2007, -1/+0I can't see how they can fix all those bugs in three days. Blackdown crashes, xorg is unstable, nvidia binary driver doesn't load at all... we'll see what they can do before thursday
  • Cherubim, on 10/15/2007, -3/+0Have they fixed the mess with xorg.conf yet ?
  • josh1413, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Now what will happen when i upgrade if I have automatix installed on 7.04?
    • zman14321, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2I guess with gutsy automatix is no longer necessary, but if you mean will automatix ***** with your system, I don't know.
  • whalesalad, on 10/15/2007, -1/+2http://duggmirror.com
  • blazes816, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2I just hope my ATI card is supported.
  • obxjdt, on 10/15/2007, -2/+1Meh, nothing new here...... http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/
  • someguyfromhell, on 10/15/2007, -2/+0cool but link down
  • Vektuz, on 10/15/2007, -3/+2None of my games worked on it... and my videos played back all chunky like. On the plus side, it did automatically downlaod all the codecs for it and I could spin the cube around and see gears inside it.
    Then I realised I can't actually get any work done w/o photoshop, or any play done w/o games, so it was back to XP for me. Sorry dudes, priorities.
  • ShinGouki, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1ok FReedom, that i can disable AppArmor by default when i upgrade or install?!
    Or do i have to do this afterwards?!
  • grg183, on 10/15/2007, -1/+2"levels of freedom" ?? that's nonsense, It's either totally free or not-free at all !! ..You can't have such thing as partial freedom ...If you have even one key thing that is non-free ..the entire system is non-free
    If we end up using non-free software on Linux ...we've thrown away the entire concept of open-source !! ...if you prefer proprietary software ..stick with windows ..we don't need You!!
    • shethinkmefunny, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1ummmm...... the open-source manifesto specifically states that there is room for both open-source and proprietary software to coexist and thrive in this world. using a mix of proprietary and open-source/free software does not defeat the purpose of either, but addresses the needs of individuals that cannot be met with one or the other.

      Luckily there are totally free, mixed free/non-free and totally non-free OS's out there in great variety, so people have the choice to pick the tools that suit them best.
  • Hashte, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Gogle cache works: http://www.google.com/search?hs=sUq&hl=en&lr=&c2co ...
  • shethinkmefunny, on 10/15/2007, -0/+1My big problem with Ubuntu is not so much the distro itself (though i've got my share of gripes about it), but the fans. Ubuntu users as bad as Apple zealots, in that they overpromote the hell out of anything pro-Ubuntu, but also slam any GNU/Linux distro that is not Ubuntu that purports to be easy to use or for beginners.

    As far as technical merits go, I had much better luck with PCLinuxOS, Dreamlinux, OpenSuSe and even PC-BSD in terms of hardware recognition. On one machine, Ubuntu will not install - it simply gives a red panic screen with no useful information about 20 minutes into the installation, whereas all the other mentioned distros work fine. On the machine Ubuntu does install to, it is slower than everything but OpenSuSe, and installing the nVidia driver through either Synaptic, Smart or apt-get borks my Xorg half the time, whereas that's never a problem on any of the other distros.
    Add to that the ugly initial Ubuntu theme (an ugly theme is no big deal, easy enough to change, it's just piled on all my other gripes) and the fact that it's Gnome, and I just have no use for Ubuntu whatsoever. Kubuntu is not an acceptable KDE distro. It looks like they just took Ubuntu, slapped a vanilla KDE install over it, and called it something else. Kubuntu is THE slowest distro I've used yet.

    That said, I'm trying (k)ubuntu 7.10 when it gets released, just to see if they've made any progress on the perceived issues I see it having. It would be nice to have a distro with a repository as big as Debian or Ubuntu...

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