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- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+91That's good. At least you see that they want quality out the door, rather than sticking to deadlines that are adverse to programming practices. That's the advantage of not being tied to some investors and planned events with acrobats.
- muszek, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30@ispep
It's generally a good idea not to give a crap about what fanboys are saying. Quoting them several months later makes me feel you're just trying to start a flamewar, not provoked by anyone. - Jorlwind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22It is disappointing, But it's either a delay now or the first adopters have themselves crucified on known bugs.
- burkay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Yes, it is very difficult.
First of all you are compiling a kernel that works out of the box for any machine.
This is an incredibly difficult task if you imagine all the different hardware people use.
Then they have the driver problems where they don't want to include the non-free
ones in the system.
It is also an incredibly difficult task to bring together many software written by different
programmers and to make them communicate with each other peacefully under one
system.
Yes, coming up with a distro for new linux users is a very difficult task. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I'm using it right now and it seems pretty darn stable to me.
- justintime32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Yes, this is good. They have been having some issues, specifically with NetworkManager. Anyhow, I'm using the Beta now, and it's working great for me.
- enderwig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14mash8591 has issued a flame inciting comment, accept or deny?
- kingyubba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13there they go, copying Apple!...
\ relax, it's a joke. - bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11It shouldn't be disappointing. If you want to use Feisty then use it! It's very stable at the moment. I've been using it for over a month now and haven't had any major issues except for Netwrok Manager when using a static IP address. Not a single thing has broken during one of the dozen or so major updates I've done, and that includes Nvidia proprietary drivers, beryl and vmware (all things that have traditionally broken after major updates). I will say, I was a little peeved that my apache configs were all over-written during one of the updates, but that's easy enough to fix.
- pottedplant, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15There go my plans for next weekend... sigh
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Yeah, I am on the development branch for it right now, and its far from polished. every new kernel image they come out with now(which is about every day now) seems to fix one thing but break another. Its clear they've been working hard as they can to get this out, but right now they are definitely better off delaying feisty.
- dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+97.04 Beta is the best version of Ubuntu yet!
Least amount of problems for me, even when compared to stable releases lol. Might just be my hardware, but even suspend works out of the box!
Re: justintime32
I've had zero issues with NetworkManager. - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Yep, take your time Ubuntu!
- Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10In the interim, I tried Sabayon linux. It's a gentoo based distro that installed video drivers for my 8800 and set up beryl...all on it's own. Its not Ubuntu, but it's not meant to be either. The live CD also sets up drivers and Beryl, so anyone who hasn't yet, can pop in a live cd and see the fancy effects people are ranting about in linux these days.
Not trying to shill, just give people something to do in the "down time". - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"Apply that logic to Microsoft, which delayed Vista for over a year (compared to Ubuntu's few days), and Vista should be the best OS in the universe. It's not, but according to that logic, it should be. ;-)"
Nonsense.
I dont care if an OS is delayed, whether it be Windows OSX or Ubuntu.
But to push the idea that one OSs delay is good because it will make it better, while the other OSs delay is bad because it's horrible is just self-serving fanboy trash. - crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Link to the actual announcement:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
Also: fkr3, that made no sense at all. - dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yah well, at least they didn't invest 9 billion to make it and still have it delayed by a year. haha *laughs at vista*
And, installing the Beta you realize how many updates they do to make this ***** work. Plus it's free and works and looks good! - Tsen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@ fkr3
As I recall, Vista was delayed to what, FIVE YEARS after XP? And you're talking crap on Ubuntu for being, what, possibly ONE WEEK behind schedule? Seems to me that still puts their gap between releases at something like four and a half years less than Windows.
Now, what was your point again? - ludwik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7> It's amazing to see what the same people say about different operating systems
> being delayed (Leopard, Vista and Ubuntu) -- some are such hypocrites.
You really doesn't see the difference between couple-of-days delay (Ubuntu 7.04) and couple-of-years delay (Windows Vista)? Lucky you... - idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@mash8591
I'm going to put this in the simplest terms possible, so you might have a chance of understanding it.
lol ur dum - jsandman32, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I heard they had to pull developers for the Deeda Pi.
- Cable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_7_04_Release_Candidate_delayed_Final_might_be_late_as_well/
- battletops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Your shiny "aero" ass took 6 years to make, so I wouldn't be saying too much.
- bombadier337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6At least spell aero right....
- Blandyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No. An average digg user cannot.
Stop spamming, loser. - wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I know how your feel, and do not see why you are being modded down. Oh well, as it has been said many times through out this posting, I would rather wait, and have a stable and vastly enhanced OS than have something thrown out there. There is always more time with the kids, lawn work and quality time with the wife.... NO, ***** you're right there goes my frickin' weekend. Where's the tequila?
- Blandyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Rofl. What trolls. I'm not going to block either of you... the fact that you're such fanboys that one jizzes over Aero and the other is offended by someone being happy about a delay just cracks me up.
Keep fighting the good fight. - muszek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You picked a wrong target, mate. Dapper (6.06, two releases ago) was late 6 weeks. The thing is, nobody really minds it. Average users don't give a crap at all, people that like stability are thankful for the release being less buggy when it's out and bleeding edge guys don't really give a crap either, since they're dist-upgrade'ing during the alpha or beta stage.
I was going to upgrade after the final release, but my desktop works as a dev server for some project. It came out recently that we need Python 2.5 with some libraries that weren't in Edgy repos. I upgraded earlier then intended before. Now the final release date doesn't mean anything. - ACoolie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Another delay caused by the iPhone?
- Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yea, trying to install and configure the beta for Feisty this week as been a nightmare of issues; Installer issues, updates that render the OS unbootable. I'd say there are a few things that need to be ironed out still. Better to delay than release in its current state, it's just not solid enough for enough people yet.
- generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5only nVidia can support their binary drivers. Don't blame Ubuntu.
- inkubux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4[sarcasm]No worries Apple have a patent on this[/sarcasm]
- mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Haha, loser. Let's see who has the last laugh when feisty is released on Thursday.
- justintime32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@dmsean: Neither have I, although some people who prefer to have a manual configuration are having issues with NM displaying the wrong network status (ie - it reports "No Connection" when there really is a connection).
@fkr3: ??? - quiksliver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was really looking forward to feisty and have April 19th marked down in my calender and everything, but I'd rather wait a little while then spend all day on the forums and just get frustrated because of the bugs
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5using it now, had the network manager problem listed above, but was fixed in an update the next day. Only issue now, when using firefox, if i play a song in xmms, or video in vlc, it seems to freeze it at random. Not sure what causes it
- dport113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The problem has been resolved and kernels are in the build process as we speak, Sunday's cdimages builds will be working.
If you cant wait for the fix:
http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ - Dekkard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5people who say this is bad, or an effort to somehow flummox Fedora ..get a clue. There was a serious SATA problem that left some users with unbootable systems. That was cured for most with a patched kernel. for all the M$, and Apple comparos....geesh.. just rediculous.
- maccam94, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't say that quite yet. I've been using Feisty since a week before the beta came out, but just two days ago large parts of it (including the kernel) were broken. People should wait until the final release before upgrading.
- wilberfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Take as long as you need, guys. "Feisty" is the best Ubuntu yet.
- traherom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They reverted back to the old drivers (the new ones break too many older cards), but if you install nvidia-glx-new, you should be back to where you were.
- kirtap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm also using it now and had the network problem that cleared up the next day. I haven't experienced your crashing problems though.
- traherom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I personally haven't had a problem. There was one update two days ago which killed networking until I rebooted, but other than that I haven't had anything major.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@estvir - Agreed.
But it's kinda different when you're comparing something that gets updated every 6 months versus every 6 years. - Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Blocked/Reported for lameness
- jimmarch1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2One more thing: any Feisty WiFi user should download "Wifi Radar". It has gotten me connected several times when the Network Manager was puking it's guts out...
- MiserJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Aw man it was gonna be released on my birthday but now... :( hey take the time to make it good if need be.
- muszek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Just a note: RC being delayed was reported at digg yesterday. i posted this one because new info (Watson's remply) came out.
- randeepsamra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1maybe u were born few days earlier ;-) joking dude peace
- jimmarch1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This weekend Fiesty beta ran into serious kernel-level troubles. Beta testers are reporting a total inability to boot. People running mid-to-high-end NVidia video appear to be hit hardest.
I've been running Feisty since late Alpha and until this latest episode everything was smooth as silk. To say Feisty has "potential" is an understatement - it was more stable as late alpha (Herd5) than most distros are in production, and with all sorts of killer features. WiFi is massively improved, the auto-loading of codecs works, it's running really advanced stuff like OpenOffice 2.2, kernel 2.6.20x and much more.
Then this weekend...I won't say it's as bad as "the wheels fell off" but it's bad, much worse than is stated here. Something came radically unglued.
They'll fix it, but by the 19th? I doubt it.
See also:
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179
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I ran Fedora Core 6 for a couple of months. Damn good distro. If it was just me I'd have stuck with it, but I want something I can live with AND support on various total newbie's machines. I don't think Fedora is it. Even in production, auto-updates sometimes did stupid things...easily fixable things, but enough to cause newbies to choke.
My experience with Ubuntu says that once it's production code, that doesn't happen very often.
Remember, Red Hat uses Fedora as basically a permanent beta-test for their Enterprise ($$$) version. They're not motivated to get it totally stable. Same with OpenSuse, Freespire, others. Ubuntu is unique in that it's got a corporate development team behind it, yet it's free as in zero-cost.
Long term, a distro I want to keep an eye on is Zenwalk. It's a Slackware fork of all things, fast and stable. Not *quite* ready for newbies yet but getting damned close and could be a serious contender in 6 months to a year.
Sabayon needs serious hardware...try and run it on anything too old (read: 2004/5 hardware) and it'll come gloriously unglued. Not the ticket for broad support.
Also of note: Linux Mint, an Ubuntu fork which, once it's based on production Feisty code might kick massive amounts of butt.
Zenwalk, Sabayon and Mint are all European and don't have to worry about patented code or stuff that pees on the DMCA. -
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