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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I installed windows in my table of linux. Now I can see my toes.
- keegan3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6SVG editor's... what about Inkscape?
http://www.inkscape.org/
This program is awesome! - myfanwy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5awesome choice of colours, i can almost read it
- curmudgeon7205, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't have time to peruse this now. I'm too busy working with TurboTax
- usernameistaken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's because it hasn't been updated for 8 months; and before the most recent update, the site hadn't been updated in over a year. The link above is just a link to another blog. Another list is from linuxquestions http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@towel401
A gopher server? You are my hero. - heresy0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I think that most photoshop users will agree that GIMP is a poor substitute. Its a nice idea, but it doesn't deliver.
- m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4GG unreadable fonts.
- geordie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And I can't see ImageMagick, RubyMagick or CinePaint enticing many Photoshop users to switch!
- Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was really surprised by that too. I mean, Inkscape has more of a userbase than most of the vector apps mentioned.
- blusteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They missed thoggen, a great and easy-to-use DVD ripper.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's always GimpShop to match the interface, but yeah you're completely right that there's much functionality of Photoshop that is missing from Gimp.
- emmanuelsotelo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Cool.
This will be very useful for a presentation I am planning on giving on Ubuntu later this week.
Also, a couple of hours ago I introduced yet another person to Gimp. - thinsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I disagree. I've had Sabayon installed for nearly a month now (because Ubuntu doesn't ***** work!) and I'm still at the stage where I'm trying to configure the OS and the GUI to my liking. This is long before I go looking for windows alternatives.
What I really need to know is the Linux equivalent to performing common OS based tasks. Such as adjusting the speed of my mouse. Changing my screen resolution. Defining which drive all my "Program Files" get installed to when I get around to installing some (my linux drive is only 5 gigs). How to configure the tool bars in my file browser. Where to find my IP address. How to change my network settings. How to customize my taskbar and start menu. What windows-key or function key shortcuts are the equivalents to the ones in Windows/Mac (win+d=show desktop / f11=expose' etc.)
I've been going through hell setting up Sabayon. Every other thing I change screws up my xorg.conf and disables the gui. Everything I've had to adjust the settings for or fix had to be done by booting to the command line so I could fix the settings for gui related things.
This of course led to needing to learn a hell of a lot of stuff about the linux command line. Yes, linux's command line beats the tar out of cmd.exe in windows but only after spending a long time reading manuals that don't have the info I NEED to know immediately easy to find and begging people in IRC to tell me exactly what I need to do and exactly what some of these cryptic commands stand for.
There is a heeelllll of a lot more important fundamental OS/GUI things a linux switcher needs to be informed of looooooooong before they go looking for alternatives to windows software. Especially for the majority of people whom I've observed using their home computers. These people only use 7 applications total. Windows itself, 1 or 2 IM apps, and 1 or 2 MS Office apps. 1 or 2 P2P apps and Windows Media and Internet Explorer. Nothing more.
For these people who in my opinion epitomize what I see to be the 'average user', it's a piece of cake to replace those apps with something on Linux.
Getting them familiar with the user interface conventions of a Linux distro is the hardest part. Replacing a handful of common apps is easy. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But can it run Windows?
- mroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@sysshock21:
You have no idea what you are talking about.
I use Linux and Windows and they both have there place, but there is no need to spread FUD.
MOST ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) Systems run under UNIX ( including linux) or on AS400 we are talking BIG systems here, and not all the fun lists in the world will replace these systems as they are often have 90% custom software for the company they support. Any company would be INSANE to run a large scale ERP system under windows.
Linux has massive Enterprise Penetration for EDGE servers ( mail / web / dns / dhcp / ftp / google applicance / smb/cifs shares, ldap, keroberos, RAS, and other 'network services' ).. Major database engines prefer to run under unix ( including linux ) ( Oracle, SAPDB, DB2, etc.. ) The least used SERVER oriented OS in any large scale IT department is actually windows server.
Windows is PRIMARILY used for ENTERPRISE DESKTOP, and for minor EDGE systems such as workflow or legacy systems. Active Directory is based on OLD unix technologys ( LDAP, KEROBOS, DNS ).
Unless you are confusing FOSS software with Linux? Which are two different things entirely. - Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If they rattled off every single solitary windows app, when the point is to show the main Linux counterparts, the page would insanely huge, and majority of it would be skimed past and ignored, because people have got the point.
- threethirty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This table is atrocious. I can barely read this inaccurate, yet useful post.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank you for this. The low-contrast text color + high-contrast link color in this submission = painful reading.
- Archon810, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What about RSS readers? That whole subject was left out.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Go to the original: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
- redxii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hmmm... been looking for an equivalent for MS Money/Quicken, but I can't find one that doesn't spit out library errors. MS Money "just works" so I wouldn't mind making a whole virtual machine dedicated to running it.
- mroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The gimp has an 8bit core, photoshop CS has a 32bit core.
What does this mean? For any serious graphics, the gimp is out, for an mspaint replacement it kicks ass.
KDE Krita is a much better alternative to the gimp, it has a 32bit core. - Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 Yeah, getleft died in '04. Long since dead.
Decent list, but does need some updating and improvement. - dankers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think users who use Microsoft save themselves mental pains or bitterness that some Linux users suffer. Hey if it costs me money to save time than me and the majority seem to do fine.
Cheers - oobuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Which ones out of KMyMoney2, Eqonomize and Gnucash have you tried?
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sounds like you're trying to squeeze GUI-based configurability out of bash and gnome or something.
Use something with KDE and YaST, problem solved. :) - jsusanka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"You have to be kidding me. I'll give you the eDirectory exception, but none of the others you list even compare as far as functionality is concerned. And even with eDirectory, none of the bigger name apps will authenticate against it because they're all written to use AD authentication schemes."
here you have the number one problem in IT today - you have people making decisions to buy software but could care less about standards and being locked in. edirectory conforms to the x.500 standard. AD does not and I would suggest to tell your software that if they want your business they start writing to industry open standards and stop locking you into microsoft's crap.
edirectory scales much better than AD and much more stable and has been around a lot longer. and will run on any number of platforms.
I am sure your work has web pages written for internet explorer only because that is the "company standard".
amazes me how software vendors treat their customers. - curmudgeon7205, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am not a Microsoft or Turbotax employee.
I paid about $40 for Turbotax. And willingly so. There is no reason in hell I would ever try to figure out all of the IRS rules and be guaranteed to get the right.
Earlier in my life, I had actually tried to do my taxes using a spreadsheet, deciphering and translating all of the rules and exceptions into formulae and cell/range references and look-ups in a spreadsheet. That lasted for one tax season (BTW, that return was so screwed up, it took two years before all the IRS challenges to it dried up!). I quickly realized that I would have to do it all over from scratch the next year (since the forms inevitably change on you every year)
From that point on, I have gladly shelled out the annual fee to TurboTax (could have been any of the other good tax products on the market) for the ease and convenience of getting my taxes done correctly and accurately in 1% of the time I would have to spend trying to do it (wrong) myself. Turbotax have been at this for several years now and are probably the most successful tax software provider. Their economies of scale allow them to put some of the best tax minds to the annual research and development that yields each tax year's new solution.
I am not an accounting geek, so the less time I spend getting my taxes done (and correctly), the more time I have to spend on client gigs. My original comment was with respect to the paucity of good Tax Software on this list. The only occurrences of the string "tax" in that list were all preceded with the string "syn". - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think this list is much better to look at, and has a lot of useful alternatives on it for everything Microsoft:
http://microsoft.toddverbeek.com/index.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Skyshock has no idea what they are talking about, most of the systems he mentions are commercially availabled under UNIX ( including linux )."
Oh yeah? Captaris isn't. Tokairo isn't. ESRI isn't. I stand corrected on SAP. Almost none of the public safety management systems are. Believe me, I'd love to migrate as much as anyone as I use strictly desktop linux at home. It's a very powerful OS. It's just that most of OUR enterprise apps don't have suitable equivalents yet. And that's not to say we haven't looked either. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ cynicist
You have to be kidding me. I'll give you the eDirectory exception, but none of the others you list even compare as far as functionality is concerned. And even with eDirectory, none of the bigger name apps will authenticate against it because they're all written to use AD authentication schemes.
Have you even used the programs I mentioned from ESRI, Tokairo or Captaris? If you had, you'd realize that none of the open-source "equivalents" come close. Listen, I'd LOVE for there to be a reason for me to switch out those programs and move to complete GPL'd software in my place of business but as it stands, users would see a great deal less functionality if we did. - thinsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@skyshock21
which user base is larger?
Employees at large enterprises or Home/School users?
I don't know or have an opinion, I'm just asking.
But I think another way to help linux get into the corporate environment is to get it on more home systems.
(I don't live in a 1st world country) I haven't heard of any company in my area spending any money to train a large group of their employees in the operation of a windows application. Why? Because people who feel they need to learn something aren't that many and they all take computer classes in their own sweet time with paying out of pocket. The others, have a computer at home and learn on their own or their kid teaches them.
I think once more home users have linux at home, the companies will realize that, just like windows, they won't have to spend money training their employees. The employees already know enough from having linux at home. This won't be very true of the current generation of workers but if we get more linux into the homes and schools, the next generation of highschool/collage graduates could make it happen. - MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3yes, because a gamer will be completely happy with tux racer instead of NeedForSpeed, and a graphics designer will prefer GIMP over Photoshop
- cynicist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1skyshock21, "For instance there's no program equivalent to SAP for Resource planning"
They've supported linux since 1999.
"There's no equivalent to ESRI's ArcGIS package for GIS mapping"
Well since you haven't stated why, I can't do more than list a few for you to try out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_GIS_software
"There's no equivalent to Tokairo's or Captaris's document management programs. There's no suitable public safety dept. or recreation dept. management software currently available."
Again, you don't list what makes other offerings poor.
"There's no network operating environment as robust or easily manageable as MS's Active Directory for administration. "
Novell's eDirectory is used in over 80% of Fortune 1000 companies (wikipedia.org). There are 4 other alternatives, one of which is open source.
Maybe you were thinking of linux in 1998? - mroo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@thinsoldier11
Linux / Unix are already used by enterprise, most large scale servers are not running windows.
The only stronghold for windows in enterprise is the DESKTOP and windows is very good at being an enterprise Desktop.
Sysshock has no idea what they are talking about, most of the systems he mentions are commercially availabled under UNIX ( including linux ).
See my comment below. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3This is all fine and good for your typical desktop user, but doesn't really address the REAL problem of widespread linux adoption - equivalent programs for the Enterprise. For instance there's no program equivalent to SAP for Resource planning. There's no equivalent to ESRI's ArcGIS package for GIS mapping. There's no equivalent to Tokairo's or Captaris's document management programs. There's no suitable public safety dept. or recreation dept. management software currently available. There's no network operating environment as robust or easily manageable as MS's Active Directory for administration.
I use Linux exclusively at my home, there is not a single MS product in my house. However, I'm also a Systems Admin for a city government, and there's just no way in hell we'd be able to switch to Linux at work without completely designing programs similar to these from scratch - and that would MORE than offset the miniscule cost of Microsoft licenses. I know the Linux fanboys hate hearing this but until there is more USEFUL software for the enterprise, Linux won't see widespread adoption. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No, no. I appreciate the honesty. :-)
Just an observation. - Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Problem is, A: When I've seen you post comments, usually your comments are short and without much meaning, so it appears as if you posted just for an excuse to link to your blog. Leave the blog link out of the comments. B: If you link to your own blog, that is seen as blog spam. Link to people's blogs all you want, just avoid your own.
- skylights, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I tried that site last night and it was down... now that it's back up I see that it's not actually updated as of Jan. 11. So, bury this story as inaccurate. Sorry. :) Hopefully it was still informative to people who never saw this list in the first place.
- Ap0lloCreed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The colors on that page make it very difficult to read. Here's a link to the original, easy to read, content.
http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, because someone was trying to persuade you of that.
If you need or want this list, it's because you've upgraded to linux already.
If you haven't any interest in it, then your comment is blah. - johncouzins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yeah
- thinsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This would be my 11th or 12 year of using photoshop for at least 2 hours a day nearly every day of every year. I'm no artistic genius but I think I have enough experience to say I'm a "true photoshop USER".
The only way an app is going to compete with photoshop and get users to switch is by:
Make the tools, menu items, features, and visual feedback identical to photoshop.
Make the feature set match photoshop's exactly, up to at least the core features of photoshop 5.5/6
Do that and more than half the people in the world with a bootleg copy of photoshop will come running. Maybe even a few paint shop pro users.
After that, interview some real photoshop users and find out what features,concepts,interfaces in photoshop they think suck, are stupid, are useless, are useful but the way you interact with them is horrible,...and improve on all of them. Honestly, many of those improvements would be a piece of cake if you've already gotten the original mimicked perfectly.
That will give you another huge influx of bootleg photoshop users and quite a few who bought photoshop.
Now to defeat photoshp all you have to do is take a few of the fun/cheesy/innovative features that don't exist at all in photoshop from its competitors:
z-brush(texturing), painter(natural paint brushes), paint shop pro(tubes/pipes?), Alias Sketchbook (speed, tablet-oriented interface) and you will have the Killer pixel editing app. No doubt about it. - generalleoff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3They missed about 5,000 programs on these lists. Mostly on the Windows side.
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2gotta keep track of all that money you hand over to to microsoft. how much did you pay for that program by the way?
- rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Zen comment?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2This is why I hate digg. If I post my blog in a post I am called a spammer. But if a blog is linked to in a story, it's considered acceptable. BTW his blog only has ONE POST, although it is an interesting one. This hypocracy needs to end.
http://stanleyf.blogspot.com/
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