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- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Torvalds has TAR-BALLS
- SpectreBlofeld, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Torvalds has "balls?" I didn't realize it took balls to argue with someone over the Internet.
No digg - for sensationalist headline. - claco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sure I'll take the minority position here, and I certainly don't agree with how the poster incited Linus, but he does have a point amung the ramble. It does seem like some of the internals segments get rewritten over, and over, and over. As just a user of Linux, and not a kernel guru, sometimes that kind of news over and over about rewrites and userspace breakage makes people wonder what is really going on.
- n0xie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is it that every time Torvalds post something somewhere, it gets dugg? He is not the . The guy made a smart remark. Big deal. People do that on a daily basis. Watch 'The Daily Show' or something.This is anything but news.
Yes the guy is pretty smart, and yes everyone likes Linux. That doesn't mean you have to worship him like he's the new mesiah.
No Digg - Chango_Family, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Jeff Merkey?
Oh crap, were ALL gonna get sued by this lunatic!!!
Seriously, this guy has tried to sue everyone, Slashdot, Bruce Perens, Pamela from Groklaw, his milkman, the girl who refused his advances on Bourbon Joe's happy hour margarita night.
He makes the Scientologist seem practically like buddhists when it comes to litigation.
And Im not even gonna go into that whole Cherokee open source storyline.
The headline makes sense only if the reader knows about this weirdo's lawsuit threats.
It really was a mild rebuke considering the ***** trail this guy leaves.
There is a court document on Groklaw ".... especially paragraph 158, where the judge highlights Mr. Merkey's signing off his emails to Microsoft "Your Loyal Servant"."
I dont care if youre a Microsoft fanboy or not (Id say the same thing if the letters were addressed to Apple) but what kind of sane adult closes off a letter in this manner?
Not news but definitely interesting to follow this weirdo's sagas.
Not weirdo in the RMS help-thy-fellow-man-software way but more in the
Jose Canseco-Dennis Rodman after-career weirdness.
- Tufriast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, no, that is wrong.
M$ does go back and rewrite it's old code no matter what. Why do you think a Windows 95 App works with Windows XP Pro? Becuase they kept that compatibility layer, and also modded the current version so it is stable with old stuff.
Linux does it right the first time, and keeps on going. And if it stops working, they throw it away. If they need it again, they recode it using the latest and greatest stuff available. This drives hardware nazis with proprietary, non-standardized goals nuts.
In a nutshell, he's trying to change decades of monopolistic bunk that people think is reality - and in doing so is making people realize we've been getting the shaft as users. A reality most would rather not accept...preferably curl up into a ball away from, instead. - MikeCampo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah that didn't seem all that intense.
- windwaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That mailing list is 100% drama. He's smart, but a serious *****.
- craterburnsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Very entertaining if you go and actually read all of the posts, and not just what the article shows.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>> Microsoft keeps adding bells and whistles instead of actually fixing what is wrong with Windows.
Totally. Last time I looked, Windows still has a registry, and by God that's the biggest mistake any group of programmers/engineers has EVER made in the history of computers. Bar none. The Y2K oversight and DOS 640K fiascos are featherweight compared that the ongoing ***** that is the Windows registry. - TurdFergeson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to agree with japanlover on this one. I do not associate tech news with headlines that contain BALLS and a synopsis that has LOL.
I use linux to run my webserver and for file storage, however I am certainly far from a serious linux user. Just to throw my opinion out there: it seems that Merkey has a point. Granted Linus is probably correct in assuming that most of the people doing the most complaining are trying to release projects that aren't under the GPL. But i can see where an issue such as this could turn off major developers from using linux, knowing that a new kernal is more than likely to bork all your previous work.
So where does that leave Linux? Incorporating legacy support into all new kernals makes for a windows esque environment with huge resources being diverted to supporting old apps, resources which could have been used to furthering new development. Or it could be bleeding edge development focused on performance and security with little effort placed on legacy support. The latter choice is bound to turn some private developers running back to their windows security blankets.
My opinion? The OS should be stripped and stable, let the end developers be responsible for making their software and hardware compatible. Otherwise Linux will be more like Windows, with legacy support causing performance and major security issues.
Some of the comments in this article were also an interesting read. Overall No Digg because of the stupid title and focus on the petty argument when the real story is in the article itself. - Mudhoney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Classic Torvalds, his ego and personality is probably a big reason why Linux became so popular. It's great to read his quotes, he doesn't care about being politically correct.
- linuxmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Linus has always had balls. Read his email conversation with Tannenbaum about Minix or his opinions on microkernels to see more. His book Just For Fun is good, too.
- klauern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This article actually seems to point out why Linux will never be mainstream. I know that at least in Linus' eyes, it never will need to be for him to be happy, but for everybody wanting to use it for anything more than toy-projects, this is a big blow.
I think I need a little enlightenment on what use the Kernel can provide if it breaks everything(maybe not everything?) under it when changed? It seems to me that if you change the base of Linux and it breaks some supporting element of that, everything else has to be changed to support it. Is this a big problem or just a fundamental reality of software development? - japanlover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no digg because you used the word "LOL" you internet whore
- periwinkle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In the full thread Torvalds was saying something considerably more complex than what the article (or the poster) described. Bad summary, bad article.
It makes it look like Torvalds supports breakage, when he just got done saying it should be avoided. The response was mostly directed at that guy who everyone hates who tried to get a version of Linux un-GPLed for 50k. Torvalds was basically saying he doesn't support anything that guy does. - kakos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Breaking News: Linus participates in flame war!
- macdaddy23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First time someone I know of that has used the word "Dolt" good choice!
- Killerah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, that Linus can get pretty fiesty! Like what digitalsin said about the whole GNOME thing. He made people angry.
- pluto41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0+digg
Linus has a good point. The only way to improve the kernel is to keep the ***** out. In other Words, stuff that-isn't-kernel-ready -or- not fully open-sourced. You have to draw the line somewhere. I disagreed with Linus his opinion on Gnome however. But that was another story. - jherek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Kernel implementors often are opinionated, self-aggrandizing, and querrulous. I think it's because nobody else really wants to do that work. What makes Linus better than the rest of them is that at least he doesn't try to put too much garbage into the kernel; the NT and Darwin kernel people are going overboard, trying to design functionality like metadata storage, functionality they are totally unqualified to work on.
- digitalsin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oops, GNOME
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"We're not talking about internal kernel stuff. Internal kernel stuff _does_ get changed, and we dont' care about breakage of out-of-kernel stuff. That's fundamental."
And that's why I'm moving all my servers over to FreeBSD. - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Torvalds doesn't have balls, he has an EGO though...
- falfa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"If MS would move to an XML based registry, we might have the best of both worlds."
Now that is really something. Not only would we have a hierachial data storage kept as a file inside a hierachial datastorage, i.e. the filesystem. We would also layer in a chunk of Bills interpretation of XML. Man, we'd get the super double world of obfuscated endless system debugging heaven: Why ever spend a second on anything else when you can go anal on a XML registry? - Rageous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And it's *such* a mystery why the average user pays no attention to Linux. That's not balls, that's Torvalds being a jerk. Truth be told Merkey's got some legitimate concerns.
No digg. - znxster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0512.3/0986.html this is the e-mail relating to the story
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Totally. Last time I looked, Windows still has a registry, and by God that's the biggest mistake any group of programmers/engineers has EVER made in the history of computers.
Not that there's anything much wrong with the registry-- it's not perfect -- but it's certainly better than hundreds of INI files strewn about the system, but Microsoft has been moving to newer formats for years.
IIS 6 fully supports an XML based metabase, rather than the registry
.NET supports the application level ".config" file
etc
If MS would move to an XML based registry, we might have the best of both worlds. Of course that begs the question, why bother sacrificting binary level performance for human readable text. What big advantage is that? - anastrophe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i suggest using the power of "ok this is lame" or "old news". vote with your mouse. it's better than just not-digging it.
- oldcyborg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It looks like he is doing his job. He is protecting his base, reminding people of who IS running the show, and who is responsible for the work. I think it is a tough job, and am glad he is suited to do it. Not many are...
As to news or not. Nothing here other than Linus doing his job. It's good to read tho'., cause I don't keep up the way I should.
Cyborg
OK - klauern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0turdfergeson is aiming at exactly what I tried to point out but was unable to do so as succinctly without the offensive poster misinterpreting my post.
I would like to know a couple things that I'm not sure where to find:
1) What are Linus and his development staff planning on doing with the kernel in the future?
2) What impact is this continuous update of the kernel doing for development of applications in Linux? Is it noticeably more difficult? Minimally? what?
3) How are changed propogated in Linux in general? It sounds like this is some sort of dictatorship where Linus gets to make all the decisions on things, and his development staff has litte, none, or isn't willing to say different in matters.
I have to admit that my knowledge of this situation is minimal, but since the only stories that are on Digg related to Linux and Torvalds seem to be complete drama anyway, this is what you get for putting only the relatively "juicy" soap-opera stories on the front page. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They need to make a video series where nerds fist fight with each other. Man, that would be entertainment.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Lol, another balls story :)
- speel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0woo Torvalds is a eThug
- Hypersapien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0FTA: "Instead of creating new capabilities and features, everyone seems hell bent on rewriting the same stale, mouldy, boring sections of the OS over and over again."
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't what he is suggesting EXACTLY what Microsoft has been doing wrong all these years and the reason that Linux was invented in the first place?
Microsoft keeps adding bells and whistles instead of actually fixing what is wrong with Windows. - pintong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is news?
- danlin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0here is the story with Linus ragging on GNOME
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_Torvald_wants_you_to_use_KDE - mouthster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Nerds getting snippy with each-other on the internet.
Amazing. - falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I'm getting sick of his outbursts.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is *****. Title should say "Torvalds says cry me a river". Is he the next God or something?? FFS!! Oh, and by the way, 2006 will be the year of linux on the desktop. Yeah, right. No Digg, this isn't news. Next!
- crackez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I wouldn't say Torvalds has BALLS, now balls maybe, but he's just giving this guy a piece of his mind as he probably deserves, but there's no need to make it out to be more than it really is. Linus just let the guy know he's the only bear that gets to ***** in the Linux woods.
- digitalsin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0That's nothing compared to how he blasted the GMOME developers. Wish I still had that link. He was much more aggressive to the point I thought his comments were just plain counter-productive.
- MikeZila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Oh man. Linus just pwned that guy.
The teenager in me just cried out "YOU GOT SERVED". - anastrophe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0this is one big fat BFD. no digg. in fact, 'this is lame'.
- rc_collins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0GEEK FIGHT!
This is the boringest flame war EVER
--dan - IanAction, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Better Title: Torvalds has Nards.
- reclusivemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"This article actually seems to point out why Linux will never be mainstream. I know that at least in Linus' eyes, it never will need to be for him to be happy, but for everybody wanting to use it for anything more than toy-projects, this is a big blow."
klauern, you know less than *****.
"Linux use was reported in 53% of the 500 North American companies surveyed by SG Cowen & Co"
Google use Linux. HP use Linux. Pixar use Linux. Cisco use Linux. I would go on, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.
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http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linux2.html
http://mtechit.com/linux-biz/
