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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20"There is a Video section on digg. Use that."
There's a cliff. Go jump off it.
This is good stuff. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I had no opinion of my own on these matters until I heard what Torvalds had to say.
/sarcasm - AxiomShell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Me too.
I used to like Cure, but now I'll have to pretend I never heard the name before... - munksaway, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14This video SCORES!!!
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Maybe he has read a few research papers on XEN, and thats WHY he is critical.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"No comment from Linus about gplv3!?"
I would assume, from earlier news, he thinks it SUCKS. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"""Linus prefers KDE (AKA Windows ME Open Source Edition), so his judgment is suspect."""
Actually, I quite like KDE and Gnome. I use apps from one within the other a lot.
However, since you want to imply KDE is more like windows than gnome, maybe call us back when Gnome doesn't force you into its menu scheme, require an implementation of the Microsoft .Net framework for many of its new DE apps and have Gregedit^w GConf.
Love from a programmer who has chosen to move all of their app menus into the menubar to simplify the UI - just one of the many things I've done with my computer's interface that gnome makes impossible for you. - karibcorner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Totally SCORES+
- Wyzard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ubuntu takes Debian's great infrastructure and applies it to making a user-friendly desktop-oriented distribution. Nothing wrong with that.
I run Debian Sid on my laptop and primary desktop where I do a lot of tuning and custom configuration, and Ubuntu on secondary systems (such as my old laptop) that I don't want to have to manage as closely. - groggyboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5actually, i was surprised to see a few people give vista a thumbs up! he was talking to a linux crowd, after all.
- kilmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They need to add the same or similar sections for the video section.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love how you know who has and hasn't tried things - apart the from one person who made it very clear by saying "*probably* sucks".
Those who said "indifferent" or said "haven't tried it" and didn't venture an opinion were not knocking them. - glev2005, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5i was disappointed to see the approval of ubuntu...i thought it was kind of a watered down distro by most ppls standards..I still think it is.. but the big heads like it i guess.
- whisperedlie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4can't i just have the questions and answers without having to watch a video?
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't know, ubuntu is Debian at its heart, which is from a technical standpoint one of the best distros out there.
I used to feel the same as you, dumbfounded when unix geeks I really respect were heavily "into" ubuntu.
I personally don't have ubuntu installed on my personal machine, I don't like the ubuntu user experience and I'm not in a rush to defend it in any "distro clash", but it's not hard to see how someone could become invested in it and enjoy it. Also, Canonical are good "guys". - diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He wasn't critical, he just said it was over-hyped.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@texpundit: He doesn't think it sucks, he just thinks it's not appropriate to the Linux kernel.
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Shadowman: I do, because he's a visionary. I love Gnome and I have my reasons for not using KDE, but his point is valid. With Linux, people should have the right to customize their interface as much as reasonably possible. The default Gnome setup works fine for me and has been available on every Linux box I've ever used; it has some areas where it's superior to KDE, but customizing the interface isn't one of them. KDE has some "neat little features" that make using it appealing, particularly to people who like to stay away from the terminal.
Being receptive to criticism has nothing but advantages. To the opportunist, receiving criticism is the easiest way to improve your product. I'm sure the Gnome team has a lot of reverence for what Linus has to say, even if they don't publicly admit it. His opinion holds a lot of weight. - thetron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah cut the windows user out @ linux conference. I'm in the video :)
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"""It's more than he just prefers KDE. He went after Gnome developers like an attack dog, calling them "interface nazis" among other things. He said he doesn't use Gnome because it "simply doesn't do what I need it to do"."""
You miss the point. He was a programmer expressing an opinion on it - since the Gnome developers can have a tendency to behave in a certain way towards end users/developers and have quite a bad, no, disgusting attitude towards them, it was actually quite refreshing to have someone respond like an ordinary programmer that they couldn't credibly dismiss as an idiot.
That didn't stop the Gnome developers deciding to tell everyone Torvalds knows nothing.
I was in a room full of programmers - some of whom are staunchly Gnome-til-they-die - when the line
"""This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality" mentality of Gnome is a disease."""
was read out, people were basically clapping and cheering.
Now considering these are programmers - some of whom use gnome apps every day of their working lives, do you think they were cheering because 1. They hate gnome or 2. because they consider this valid comment?
Personally, Torvalds said exactly what I was thinking, and I know I'm not alone in that.
For me *personally* as a programmer who likes a GUI, Gnome *right now* has gone a long way past removing useful functionality or being configurable and versatile, it's too memory-hungry for what it does and the app suite is sparse and it's full of broken opaque UI decisions - for that I have one solution, to use what I want and let everyone else use Gnome if it's best for them - I don't doubt it's great software.
However, the developers are only slightly less rude and unhelpful than the kernel developers themselves (a problem closer to home for Linus there :-P ), from a UI design standpoint (something I know about) they've got some VERY quirky notions, and also as a rational programmer it offends my sensibilities to see these people and their community bashing what is impo a technically better product in nearly every way - if I could be bothered, maybe I'd have piped up and said something myself. The fact that Linus did this works better because everybody knows the guy isn't an idiot, which immediately addresses the most common response to anyone who questions the wisdom of The Committee.
Now none of this really matters - it's just the preference and opinion of one programmer, which could easily change in the space . I don't see why Linus shouldn't be allowed to express an opinion on anything just like the rest of us. :-) - andyrobo60, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2scores = good,
sucks = bad,
pass = no fun,
rocks = throw rocks at it/him!! - groggyboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3uhhh... he was asking a bunch of linux geeks. what did you expect? a mac or windows conference would get similarly biased responses...
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3interesting collection of opinions...
- melbolt65, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Hmm, the raters in this video are not at all biased O.o
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Jasdar
Nah, I just have to use it every day. - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I used to think that as well. But now im a converted ubuntu fan. Its simple to use. I used to compile my own distro and do command line only with the best of them. Then one day i realized just how impractical that all was. I still spend alot of time in a terminal window, but I don't have to. And thats why i love ubuntu.
- Jasdar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dork!
Did you just learn that or something? - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Editor timed out - the bit which goes:
"""Actually, I quite like KDE and Gnome. I use apps from one within the other a lot."""
Started at the end of that comment and should have been deleted. - bias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The Open Source Philosophy is basically the Infinite Monkey Theorem.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It's funny, that protracted indecisive noise a couple of people made about Novell is exactly how I feel.
The fact they're producing **LOTS** of FOSS code these days + how they've been so great about FOSS philosphy & support *before* now vs. their position on patents because of The Deal. - terath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Don't care really what he thinks.
Has virtualization made life significantly easier for systems administrators? Yes.
Has virtualization increased uptime (by being able to quickly shift an OS to a new machine)? Yes.
Therefore the practical wins out. I wouldn't say it's overhyped at all. It's the biggest change to the way systems are managed in a long long time. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0#Wyzard: What can you do in Debian that you can't do in ubuntu?
I don't understand some coments about ubuntu from debian users and other linux distros. They ALL are GNU/Linux distros and you can do ALL the same with each one. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I hope that Linus will somehow find compromise and embrace a GPLv2.1 (with 'Novellisation' phrase) licence.
- ripper365, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@groggyboy
Exactly. The same video at a mac or windows conference would be equally pointless. - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Am I the only one who read that as... "Torvalds OR Others Rank What's Hot" and thought... well who did it?
- KlayBorg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!
- bias, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5DUDE! "FTW" is for hardcore gamers, You are not qualify to use that because you are on Ubuntu.
- cosmotron, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Wow, Torvalds seems a bit critical of virtualization... Maybe he could read a few research papers on Xen?
- mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8There is a Video section on digg. Use that.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Come on. This is ridiculous.
"Lets ask a bunch of Linux folks about what they think about Linux and Windows!"
What sort of answers did you think you'd get?
Do the same video at the Vista launch, and you'd get the opposite answers.
Do the same video at an Apple store, and you'll get all pro-Apple answers.
This is pure Linux fan-boy masturbation. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Your mommy is hot.
- Shadowman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1It's more than he just prefers KDE. He went after Gnome developers like an attack dog, calling them "interface nazis" among other things. He said he doesn't use Gnome because it "simply doesn't do what I need it to do". Then just don't use it! No need for a temper tantrum! It does what I need it to do and also for many, many other people. Linux is great but Torvalds is an ass. Who cares what he thinks is hot.
- selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Thats video was annoying. Sucks, sucks, sucks, scores, scores, sucks, scores... still interesting though.
- lesosso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Vista, i'm confused, I don't even know what version i should buy. I never tried it but it certainly sucks!!!
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Linus prefers KDE (AKA Windows ME Open Source Edition), so his judgment is suspect.
- simonfl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1This could very well be a montage. I don't see how we can know if the answers are related to the questions...
I mark it as inaccurate - starfighter01, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4I hate how they knock a bunch of things they've never tried (Vista for example). What a lame video.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I love how the (student Linux club?) are running Linux on Macs. Hey kids, your logo is showing.
Or how about the open source guy that thinks the iPhone scores?
Hypocrites? - ripper365, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Wow. I'm really surprised that a bunch of die hard Linux users say that everything Linux related is badass and everything else is garbage. Earth shattering.
It's like they made a video of /. comments. - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3So some things suck and some things score? It would be nice if we just had a transcript.
Or did I just give it?
btw Ubuntu = 100% score, ftw!
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