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- tylermac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+36Not Included: Delorean & Flux Capacitor
- Shootfast, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16This is installed by default on Hungry Hippo, Now back to the future!
- n8willis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"Apart from Neil J., Beryl/Compiz Fusion, and Macslow, I'm kinda missing the "Wow, never seen that done before" factor ... "
So, apart from all the people who 'wow' you .... nobody 'wows' you? - mrmacky, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12How is Ubuntu "fake linux"? I fail to understand the point. Ubuntu IS linux, it's just another distro. If you don't compile the kernel yourself, it's not linux?
- xerosis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I've been talking to the author and doing a bit of work on it and the new version currently being written is very exciting. A complete rewrite, it's much slicker and the underlying concept is much better. Stay tuned.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9You're absolutely correct, except that when it's Microsoft doing something someone has already done before then it's a rip-off and so on. Of course when its open sores or Apple doing the cloning, then interestingly It's suddenly a stupid and pointless argument. Funny how that works.
- PRocker267, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7851/attachmentzy9.png
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3880/attachment1fm6.png
nothing special... - awhiteflame, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Anyone want to rehost screenshots so I don't have to register to view?
- Nick22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Please define "real linux"
- ekso, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I'm actually disappointed with the huge amount of vista/osx-like themes. What's the point of making your computer look like something else that it isn't? If it's able to look so so so different AND better! And really, the amount of *good* themes for Linux GUIs is so overwhelming you can use a new one each week of the year!
- trotskyist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8You're such an idiot.
- Protoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6No gui, you have to compile every program, and dependencies aren't handled by some fancy 'apt-get'...
- Eggman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6click the wrong reply?
- specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Well tell me where, I hardly find good skins/themes for emerald or gnome.
- specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Longhorn, get a new hobby, Feeling superior because you use linux won't work for you anymore.
- kazamx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I am sure there will be a compiz fusion plugin that makes it look like the Apple version in a few weeks.
If I was Apple or Microsoft, I would be worried. The Linux community has the ability to look at preview versions of their IS and copy/implement all the cool features before they even get to market. Look at Vista. While Linux is behind in some areas its ahead. All the cool features in Vista are already implemented in linux. The problem for Microsoft is that it is stuck with vista for years, where Linux will just keep adding features - kazamx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Also,
Now he has released it, more developers can jump onboard. He has built the foundation. Watch over the coming weeks as the Compiz-Fusion guys jump onboard and add the effects and other devs start adding features.
I would guess that if it makes it into Gutsy, that it will be a different beast by the time its released,. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I guess since its not a total geek fest distro like Gentoo, then its not real Linux, huh. Ubuntu has done more for Linux then any other distro. If it wasn't for them Linux would be nothing more then a hobby OS for the Slotnicks of the world.
- supert0ad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4it;s not as shiny as apple's version, but it backs up files on a per-directory basis and allows you to revert to a previous version through a simple interface integrated into the file browser.
that's pretty good for something coded by one person in their spare time. - schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Actually, this is not that unfair of a title. A Ubuntu user wrote the software, asked on the Ubuntu forums if this would be a cool idea, and if so include it in 7.10. Currently the only item I saw offered was a Ubuntu 7.04 deb and a Gusty deb (thats the alpha thats in the works right now).
So unless someone has the source deb and made a srpm/rpm, tgz, and soforth, and has it included in CNR, it is fair to say its Ubunutu specific at this time. - Xsecrets, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Well actually shadow copy is a rip off of salvage from Novell Netware and possibly some stuff before that. I know I used salvage back in the 90's around the time Microsoft was introducing nt3.51
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Uh, what? You right click on a folder, go to the previous versions tab, and pick a date. It then displays the folder as it existed at that point in time. How is that not implemented well?
Also, Server '03 had it too, so it's not even new to Vista. - spiffytech, on 10/11/2007, -2/+51) "Open Source", as in source code, not cold sore.
2) When Microsoft copies something, the copying is often poorly done, producing a shoddy product with limited use. When Apple or the FLOSS community copy something, it's either easier to use/better looking (Apple) or more featurefull/powerful and supporting of open standards (FLOSS). Microsoft seldom embodies either of these traits. - 3Den, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Anyone have a short-summary of how this is implemented?
Filesystem level or higher? Any caveats? - MavRevMatt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Cheap name, great function, works.
Meh. - deadlikeoscar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Oh, and as for the security part...you really have no idea how open source works do you?
- deadlikeoscar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Slackware is one of the only distros that I know of that doesn't hack the crap out of a lot of packages. Linux is Linux. Don't be a retard.
- arobar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree completely. With the attention this is now receiving, and the fact that both other competing desktop OSes have shadow copy features, Ubuntu is sure to integrate this into their OS by default. When that happens, you've got the Ubuntu devs working alongside the original dev to improve functionality and integration. I also agree that the look will very likely be taken care of the compositing desktop teams.
- raynevandunem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2NOTE: Did you see me mention that I would like to see Beryl-like functionality plugged back into Windows XP?
Illiterate jackass. - Isolder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Eight years, huh? You wouldn't be mentioning System Restore now would you? System Restore would restore drivers and key files or a system state previous to installs or chosen restore points. That's hardly comparable to what Time Machine is offering. I only need mention that System Restore is that 'great' Windows feature that would ALSO backup any virus or worm that was on the system. Nice try though.
- harlowsmonkeys, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Windows has had *some* of what Time Machine does for years, although it hasn't had nearly as good an interface. However, unless I've misunderstood what I've read about Volume Shadow Copy, it doesn't have all of it, and among the lacks are the parts that make Time Machine most interesting.
First, how do users find what they want in past versions? On Time Machine, the past versions are searchable with Spotlight.
Second, does VSC know about anything more fine-grained than files? On Time Machine, you can easily pull, say, a single address book entry from the past into your present address book. So if I found that I've somehow lost my contact information for J.R."Bob" Dobbs, I would just search in Spotlight, tell it to search past versions, and find him in a past address book, then tell it I want that address moved to my present address book.
This same pattern happens all the time. Apple, Microsoft, (and often Linux) all implement something, but only Apple actually deeply integrates it into the system so it is pervasive and generally useful, and exposes it well to developers, so third party applications take advantage of. - sneakerelph, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Oh, so because Vista has Shadow Copies, Ubuntu shoudln't implement the same type of thing? Seriously, if every OS was completely different (oh noes, Mac OS uses a mouse pointer! we can't use it) they would be so different you wouldn't be able to use one based on experience with another. If an OS has a cool feature, there's not reason not to implement it in your own. This is a pointless argument.
- arobar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yes, but at the individual file level. System restore just blows away any changes to any part of the system and restores to the date you picked. Time Warp/Shadow Copies/TimeValut let you roll back a particular file, directory, or the whole file system.
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Has anyone stepped forward yet to do non-Ubuntu ports?
- gcnaddict, on 10/11/2007, -7/+8Oh what the *****. I can't edit a comment when I refresh? This comment system needs to die.
Vista's Shadow Copies is the correct name. - cdmarcus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3That's a completely separate feature that has nothing to do with this. STFU and head over to http://digg.com/apple and I'm sure you'll be a lot happier. I respect the Mac's innovations, but bringing up completely unrelated merits of OS X is just uncalled for.
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I use Red Hat and its free flavors predominantly. RHEL as my side to MacOS on my main work machine, CentOS and Fedora for customers, and Fedora/RHEL at home.
Nothing against Canonical and their Ubuntu Linux products, I just prefer Red Hat's offerings. I prefer RPM over .deb, up2date and yum over apt-get. The thing that I have to give Ubuntu users for having a one up on is the repositories themselves. Fedora has gotten alot better, but still hasn't gotten the software volume that and Debian distro has (minus Linspire since using them generally breaks CNR). - Yarnage, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Windows Server 2003 has Shadow Copies.... they're quite useful
- SteveMax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Time to port it to Dolphin/Konqueror then. Gnome has its strengths, but Nautilus is NOT one of them.
- ninja0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1oo... very nice...
- supert0ad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1its a nautilus plugin and a daemon packaged as a .deb file. it should install fine on any debian-based distro using nautilus as a file browser. with a little tweaking it should work on any *nix system using nautilus as a file browser
- jdhore1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3I think FZero is right...Ubuntu is a massively bastardized version of linux...They've raped just about everything that makes linux linux. I'm not referring to compiling everything from source and having no GUI, what we're referring to is using a REAL distro like Debian (which has apt-get), CentOS, Fedora (both of which have yum) (as much as i hate fedora), etc. Hell, standard kernel modules don't even work on Ubuntu's ***** up kernel and Ubuntu removed something that's been used in linux since like 1995, sysvinit and replaced it with their own ***** alternative (Upstart). At this point, I believe Ubuntu MIGHT have one purpose, to ease people who know nothing about linux from windows to linux. That's it. Also, i think that might be having ill effects because more stupid users = more security holes, more attacks, same number of people working on apps, which is a bad thing. Keep the idiots and the viruses, spyware, security issues on Windows, thanks.
- terath, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Not the same thing, nice try though.
- gcnaddict, on 10/11/2007, -8/+8Similar to *Vista's ShadowCopy*. You can't compare to a copycat tool.
- coolfactor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Thanks for the screenshots, PRocker. But I fail to see how this even comes close to Apple's implementation. Is it more to do with the functional implementation where you can choose a date in the past? How to you invoke this on a per-directory or per-app basis like Time Machine? I don't have Linux, so I can't try it out. Thanks for any more info!
- livevil, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2WARNING: Please don't feed Apple fanboy trolls!
- amoeba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1This looks like a nice tool and has potential. I'll try it out as a backup tool for my scripts at work. It would be nice to be able to revert back through prior revisions as a simple form of version control.
- xerosis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1screenshots of the new version:
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22644298xx2.png
http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22oj1.png
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=88029383ii1.png - tdgx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0This looks promising once it's finalized. I can't count the number of times I've installed something that borked the system to the point a reinstallation of everything was easier than trying to track down what it did.
- ZephyrNinety, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3sudo apt-get install timevault
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