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  • killbert24, on 04/29/2008, -60/+667Wow. It took you that long to figure out the difference between Windows and Linux?
    • Julik, on 04/29/2008, -9/+44Everyone is digging you down ... but even tho I really do like Linux this is not anything new.
      • daok, on 04/29/2008, -7/+13Not everyone since I Digg him up... when are you [Linux fan] stop this unstoppable need to bash everything not Linux... grow up someday.
        • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -8/+16Yeah. BSD is good too. Everything else sucks, though.
          • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5you forgot reactOS and viopsys...

            /sarcasmatag
        • lintmonkey, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2bash...

          I see what you did there.
      • omababy, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6I think it's the picture that says a thousand words (or a hand full in this instance) that ppl like, I'm sure it doesn't come as much of a surprise to most ppl who dugg.
      • mathcreative, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Comeon Julk, the pic is just for laughs
      • zongamin, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2he has 500+ diggs.
    • ultraelite, on 04/29/2008, -2/+7I think this is just a "love to hate" opportunity as opposed to anything new
    • chaoswings, on 04/29/2008, -11/+20If the only reason your using a piece of software is because it is free that's not a good enough reason. That said linux's problem is not software or stability but drivers (wireless drivers anyone?) Until companies start supporting it in full it will never catch on....I have Ubuntu 8.04 and I still can't use my high-end video card to it's full capability.
      Also keep in mind the average person does not know how to compile software from source code. Ubuntu eliminates most of this problem but it is still difficult if what you want isn't in the repository.
      • kaczus, on 04/29/2008, -7/+3Yeah macosx's got the same problem with drivers, yet no one seems to notice... Still, I don't think ubuntu is as polished as it should.
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -3/+8No it doesn't, the hardware in the system is covered by first party native drivers that came with OS X, and most of the rest is supported by native first party drivers written by the manufacturer.

          Want an example? Everything in this mac mini works fine out of the box. I have an HDTV stick that also works perfectly because someone paid for the driver to be included with EyeTV. I'm sure if someone paid for a driver for Linux i would have one.

          On linux this stick isn't supported in the kernel because of ***** political crap.
      • sephiroth965, on 04/29/2008, -1/+7In Ubuntu, problems with wireless network card drivers pretty much ended in Feisty Fawn(and this is coming from someone who still can't get his soundcard to work). Anyway, driver problems are the fault of the companies making the hardware. It's not Ubuntu's fault that hardware companies don't bother developing Linux driver's or sometimes do a half assed job of it.
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -3/+7Yea but, with Windows these companies HAVE to develop drivers if they want anyone to use their stuff. With OS X Apple very likely pays the manufacturer for the rights to the drivers they need, distribution etc.

          With Linux neither of these things are true.

          And the few times some company does support linux their options are limited. GPL the driver, which they can't always do, or release binaries for every configuration, which is hell and of course they get attacked by fanatics like the FSF for doing so.

          And through all of this you have a vocal minority of people who can't even read C code demanding the source for everything.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5I can read and write C++, Flash (AS2-AS3), fluently and do trivial things in Java, so as you can imagine, I get pretty ***** off when people say I don't have a reason to have the source code. That being said, a lot of people who can't program build from source these days. Not the majority, but a large enough portion.
        • earthforce1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5And the driver situation is going to get much better:
          http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2008/04/ ...

          From the article:
          April 24, 2008: Linux Foundation Reports Highlights from Annual Collaboration Summit
          .
          In Austin, leading computer manufacturers Dell, HP, Lenovo, and many others met with the desktop community to collaborate and optimize Linux for their new desktop and ultra-mobile products. A key result from the meeting was that these OEM vendors reported that they will encourage chipset and other component vendors to provide open source drivers for Linux. The companies announced on stage that they will now include wording in their hardware procurement processes to “strongly encourage” the delivery of open source drivers for transparent integration into the Linux kernel. Asustek Computer, Inc., manufacturer of the popular Linux-based Eee PC, is also encouraging its hardware suppliers to provide open source drivers for Linux. VIA Technology also announced the opening of their drivers and better support for the open source community at the Summit.

          New Driver Backporting Workgroup. Canonical, Novell, Red Hat, and others have formed this new workgroup to speed the process for porting new drivers to older versions Linux. This effort is expected to help solve one of the most important commercial issues for companies that ship Linux by improving time-to-market and enabling the automated installation of the newest drivers on older versions of Linux.
        • MaxPayne3476, on 04/30/2008, -2/+1... wait a second. They ended with Feisty Fawn. Really? So that's why when I installed 8.04 I had to go over and plug my laptop into my router since low and behold... my wireless card cant be found? Even for a popular notebook like the MBP? It's not even stable yet!

          Linux really hasn't impressed me at all. Even as I type, the cursor jumps back to the beginning. What the ***** is that? Still, great that it's free - but I need something a tad more polished.
        • prammy, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4Hmm, lets see how my Hardy install went.
          I popped in the cd, chose the installation options, followed the prompts and clicked next.
          When I rebooted, I had a prompt telling me that there is a restricted driver available. I click the notification window, checked the enable button, then it asked me to restart and after logging in I was at a 1680x1050 desktop with everything working.
          I installed Hardy on my Dell D600 laptop which has a broadcom card in it. The restricted drivers package even downloaded and installed the firmware for me. To be brutally honest, it was way easier than installing XP on the same laptop.
          Now how come you have so many issues ? Must be PEBKAC ?
      • bejayel, on 04/29/2008, -3/+6I run linux on a this generation PC perfectly fine with absolutely NO drivers issues what-so-ever. I also run it on a computer from two generations ago which works out of the box and another one from 7 generations ago out of the box. Windows vista can barely install on my PC because of the JMicron controller and it cant install on older hardware.
        Also Wireless and linux...I have yet to find a card that i cant get working fairly easily (well, broadcom 4318, but hey). Most cards work out of the box, no problems.

        Help stop the FUD instead of spreading it.
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2Getting drivers to work isn't the problem. The problem is once everything does work, the rest of the system is still flaky and poorly developed with very few exceptions.
          • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2If the system is flaky, you need to *closely* examine your RAM.

        • gudnbluts, on 04/29/2008, -3/+0Congratulations. Unfortunately, I don't care about your computers. I just wish it worked on any of my computers, old or new.
        • MaxPayne3476, on 04/30/2008, -3/+1:golf clap:

          You can't find a computer - how about my Macbook Pro? I can't get tis thing to run stable to save my life. Not to mention the fonts are a jumble and the mouse. I is jumpier then a whore on meth. Linux is great... except, what can I do with it? There is no decent office suite (Open Office is comparable to Office 1997), the gaming is craptastic, and still, gnome looks about as polished as my grandmom's ass. I'll stick with something a tad more reliable.
        • prammy, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Hmm I don't think my word processing needs have changed since 1997. Do you find it hard to create basic documents without the ribbon interface ?
      • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4have you tried enabling backports, proposed, and 3rd party packages under SYSTEM>ADMINISTRATION>SOFTWARE SOURCES? i went through hell trying to do all the terminal jockeying ***** and i've recently discovered that ubuntu is even easier to use than the most technically minded users know.
      • m0tbaillie, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5This is completely true and I agree 100%. I have been using Linux full-time at both home and work (IT/sysadmin-type stuff) for several years and this is what has been it's primary hindrance: drivers. Is it the Linux community's fault that they can't reverse-engineer drivers as fast as Nvidia/ATI/others can come out with new high-end cards that they *don't* release an API or Linux drivers for? No. However, as a more sizeable portion of people start and continue to make the move to Linux (and OSX) as long as Microsoft continues to produces lackluster operating systems (There was a 7-year span between the release of Vista and XP, yet everybody is rushing to retrograde back to XP at the moment). At the end of the day, the current business model that many software companies employ will inevitably be their downfall and will only serve to strengthen the opposition. You can't charge hundreds of dollars for software just to make a computer that you already spend thousands on operable and expect people to be happy and joyous about shelling out that kind of cash.
      • unclejimbo88, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4Heh, whenever I installed XP, it was a bitch to find the drivers, but I did a dual-boot set-up with Ubuntu, and I didn't need to install a single driver (including wi-fi). For someone with no Linux experience, the hardest part for me was getting non-flash embedded videos to work on web-pages.
      • sk11, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4Drivers aren't an issue any more. Dell ubuntu computers come with a full set of drivers out of the box, just like macs do. The Asus Eee pc and that gos computer were a huge success. IBM and HP plan to release their own linux ranges. So there'll be plenty of interest and competition in linux computing.
      • ucg1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1"If the only reason your using a piece of software is because it is free that's not a good enough reason."

        Personally I started using Linux because I really liked UNIX, and Linux was one of the better choices for having a UNIX-like OS on the desktop. The fact that its free and open source is just icing on the cake, especially since I'm a developer.
    • 4d669, on 04/29/2008, -11/+16Where's the 'Ok, This is Lame'?
    • legendxx, on 04/29/2008, -18/+12What this means to anyone with a brain:

      They're giving linux away and they still can't make a dent in the market-share!
      • mciampa1214, on 04/29/2008, -7/+11They've always 'given it away', and they are taking market share
        • legendxx, on 04/29/2008, -10/+7Just like every year for the last years has been 'linux's breakout period'.
          • bejayel, on 04/29/2008, -3/+4the latest numbers suggest that linux and apple have broken into the desktop market share by huge numbers in the past couple years and right now, microsoft has nothing to combat it with.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4I like how you lumped Apple together with Linux, when they aren't actually that close in market share.
          • twiztidsinz, on 04/29/2008, -4/+1But seriously! It's this year for sure!! THIS is the year of linux!!!! I swear!!!!!!!
        • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8i switched the day before 8.04 came out. there will be others that follow me considering that the newest ubuntu and the community support is extremely user friendly. I don't know ***** about the terminal or how these config files work but i am willing to learn as long as it means my OS is able to be tailored to my specific needs and i don't have to touch vista or buy an extremely overpriced computer for MacOS to work on it.
        • gta3uzi, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Vista's market share based on internet activity is 6%
          Ubuntu is 3%

          We're slowly getting there.
          • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -1/+3*WE* are already "There". We are just waiting for the SLOW KIDS to catch up.
        • AlvesLopes, on 04/30/2008, -3/+1Funny how everyone loves statistics! Works both ways!! Everybody can read what they want!!
      • earthforce1, on 04/30/2008, -1/+6From http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
        Linux has 2.02% of the OS share as of March 2008.
        In January 2008 it was 1.84%
        May 2007 it was 1.26%

        Still small, but the trend is obvious. I expect a big jump in April now that Hardy final 8.04 is out.
      • zongamin, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1For most people Windows is also 'free' - it comes installed on their ***** new Dells
      • jay019, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0Only because its not been dumbed down to the point where stupid windows users can use it.
        Oops, did I just say that?
    • thebigsix, on 04/29/2008, -9/+1hey dufus, go and ask just about any software make for a free copy of their disk so you can make copies and send to all your friends and see what they say...
    • over900000, on 04/29/2008, -23/+5Windows = American = Capitalism
      Linux = European = Socialism
      • Atomic1fire, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4So are Mercedes cars
        but you don't see rich people complaining
        and don't plan any trips to the city of love because that place is socialist too
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -6/+1Mercedes is socialist?

          I don't think he was attacking europe, he was attacking socialist policies...
          • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2on what grounds?
          • tech42er, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5He was quite clearly equating Europe and all products "produced" in Europe with socialism.
      • FutureGuy, on 04/29/2008, -7/+3Like it or not that sums it up, Linux = Socialism
        • djbon2112, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Red Hat. Enough said.
        • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Socialism in moderation is good. Like Capitalism in moderation. In THEORY, both are good. I doubt either is good-in and of itself.

          I'd rather use SOCIAL software than CAPITAL software, though. Software designed to spin your SEC filings generally isn't very well developed.
      • m0tbaillie, on 04/29/2008, -2/+11BMW = European = ?
        Saab = European = ?
        Nokia = European = ?
        T-Mobile = European = ?
        Volvo = European = ......


        And the award for stupidest ***** analogy ever goes to......
        • FutureGuy, on 04/30/2008, -9/+2you, no one said either country is fully capitalist or socialist but there is a lot more of that in Europe then in US.
          • m0tbaillie, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Don't be ***** because I called you out and made you look like a retard for saying stupid *****.
          • whiteeagle131, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Don't be such a ***** *****, the US of A is a constitutional federal *republic* with 50 states and a federal district, and the EU is a ... careful now... UNION with 27 independent countries and not all Europian contries are in the EU, so even if Europe has socialist countries it has ca. 50 countries which is fifty times bigger than in the US... Just shut up dammit.
        • whiteeagle131, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1You are totally right
      • hanexar, on 04/30/2008, -1/+5An other brilliant comment from America. God bless you, you'll need it.
    • billbert, on 04/29/2008, -4/+4No, he's discovered the only difference between Windows and Ubuntu...
    • jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -9/+3You can put the same label on a bag of ***** -
      Still not too many would take it.
      But then of course you always have someone curious enough to take it.
    • frontporsche, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2People who don't use Linux say this is "the" difference.
  • mesarah, on 04/29/2008, -65/+7interesting
    • ep53, on 04/29/2008, -4/+17Go on....
    • billbert, on 04/29/2008, -21/+3it's not really that interesting. linux sucks so much ass as a desktop platform.
      The pic shows probably the only difference between windows and ubuntu.
      I use linux (definitely not ubuntu) as a server only platform and it works better than any other os in that regard, in my experience.
      If you're looking for an alternative to the utter ***** that is windows, go for mac os x leopard.
      It's hands down the best os I've used. Every application on it simply works, barely any configuring necessary!!

      • m0tbaillie, on 04/29/2008, -3/+5You do fully realize that Linux and OSX are based off the same operating system, yea?
        • billbert, on 04/30/2008, -7/+3yes, I absolutely do, mac being based on bsd, unix before that...
          linux based on minix, unix before that.
          Why can't linux be as functional as a desktop environment as mac os x?
          If there were fewer distros floating about, linux could be up to the same scratch as os x...
          It's funny how people get dugg down for voicing the truth...
          • melat0nin, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Just because you say it's "the truth" doesn't mean it is.
  • Sammi84, on 04/29/2008, -18/+204Pass it on
    • Llanowar, on 04/29/2008, -8/+28It almost sounds like an STD.
    • mesmeriffic, on 04/29/2008, -27/+6I don't understand the advantages Linux. It's essentially the punk movement of computers where users have the freedom to do a lot, but end up making their own clothes (coding and tweaking OS) to be rebels. Yeah... that's how I want to spend my time on the computer. Tweaking the code to get a marginally better outcome while alienating 90% of the alternatives (Mac features, Windows programs). Hey, I may just be ignorant, but whenever I get open source software it's never as good or as polished as the mainstream competitors.
      • Julik, on 04/29/2008, -2/+14I recently installed Linux for the first time this weekend and I am actually pretty impressed. I am a software engineer and program with .NET technologies so I really had no reason to use Linux before, but I had an old dell sitting around and decided to wipe the hard drive and install Linux to play around. It was surprisingly easy to set up and get going. It was also very easy to set up and use things like flash and different codecs and stuff.

        I still would rather have windows on my main computer just because I am more comfortable with it, but I will keep it on this other box to play around with.
        • subgeniusd, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Which distro btw? And why that one?
        • tech42er, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2I'm happy to hear it went well for you, but don't waste your time replying to this obvious troll.
      • mesmeriffic, on 04/29/2008, -2/+4I don't care if I get dugg down, but I want to hear the other side of the argument. Why should a casual gamer for PC or a Mac user switch?
        • Llanowar, on 04/29/2008, -0/+11Don't switch. Dual boot.
        • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5A casual gamer has no reason to switch. The average user, though can save thousands of dollars in hardware and software costs. I couldn't even afford to buy the closed-source equivalent of a quarter of the open source programs I use. And in order to use the programs I bought, I'd need a computer with twice the specs. Even then the programs wouldn't inter operate with each other like open source programs do. Everyone wants to reinvent the whenn, and charge you for it while making sure it only works on the car they produce.

          It's ridiculous.
        • insertAliasHere, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Honestly, if you aren't interested in learning something new, or getting all your software legally for free, or if you don't find the idea of a little playing around with your computer to get it to work best, you _should not switch_.

          A casual gamer can likely run any of the games he/she (yeah right, she) would want under WINE, and for sure can dual boot. But if you aren't interested in learning a new OS and supporting FOSS over paid software, you shouldn't bother. Mac users already have some of the benefits , (a UNIX terminal, X11) but much of Mac software is proprietary. Also, there is some pretty cool stuff (compiz comes to mind) that Macs/Windows couldn't dream of. Also, the general flexibility. The chat client that comes with Ubuntu can handle any chat protocol that you can throw at it. Try that with iChat or Windows Messenger.

          I use Windows mainly, but I always have some distro installed on one of my machines (currently VMWared). If you want to support FOSS, gain the flexibility to do ANYTHING you want with your OS, or if you just like learning new things, give it a shot. Otherwise, stay away, because you'll have a bad experience and come back to complain.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -4/+1Most people just want things to work. Lots of GPL software doesn't work very well, including Linux itself in certain situations.

            I work on Linux servers all the time, I'm quite familiar with the OS etc, i just hate using it, because its poor software and annoys me constantly.
          • MWeather, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Lots of closed source software doesn't work well, including Windows itself in certain situations. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it but wait for the company to patch it, if they're even still in business or supporting that version.
      • TomFrost, on 04/29/2008, -0/+12I have a 2.4Ghz Dual-core system with 2gig of RAM... not so different from what a lot of diggers use at home or at work. If you running Windows, check your CPU usage and RAM usage quick.

        My Ubuntu computer at home, running firefox beta 3, a terminal emulator, a bunch of widgets, and a large helping of Compiz eye candy, uses around 24% of the RAM and keeps the CPUs just above idle.. 0-3% or so.

        Yes, it runs a decent number of games -- enough for me, anyway, but if you're a hardcore gamer, Linux isn't what you want. I have a fully supported GeForce 8800 and a Creative sound card that not even Vista could get working last time I tried -- but that got detected in Linux with no issues.

        And for the love of God, please stop perpetuating this 1995 bull about using Linux for "tweaking code". I am so sick of 95% of the half-informed population thinking that you can only use Linux if you "know code." In many regards, mature user-focused distributions of Linux are *easier* for new computer users to pick up on than Windows. That's why Wal-mart's line has so many happy customers. No code required. Can we drop that now?
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1wal-marts stuff had so many customers because it was dirt cheap.

          I can only imagine how many of those people were ***** off that the stuff they were going to use with it or buy for it in the future didn't work well or required them to sift through forum posts to fix.
        • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4i recently installed ubuntu and i don't think i'll ever turn back. I am pretty noobish, the last time i wrote code it was in BASIC. ubuntu 8.04 works amazingly well for me but i think the tweaking aspect of linux was a major draw for me. I enjoy learning how the OS and software works. I don't need to do coding or anything to get anything to work but it's so fun.
    • prophetpimp, on 04/29/2008, -2/+4I do but for windows XP "Student Edition" :P
    • Skooma714, on 04/29/2008, -5/+1Ubuntu sounds like something you catch from an African swamp.
  • akkibaba, on 04/29/2008, -24/+152The GPL basically says : Don't bogart the joint, take a toke and pass it on. Cheers!
    • 41k1d0k4, on 04/29/2008, -7/+14Puff, Puff, Pass, Muthafvcka
    • jesuswuzanalien, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5Yeah stop camping!
    • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -2/+31Actually the GPL says you can bogart all you like, but if you want to share, you have to pass on the seeds.
      • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3You are SO CLOSE with that analogy.

        Only: You don't have to pass on the *seeds*.

        You have to pass on a full baggie. That's ok, though -- ALL the Open Source baggies are always magically full! It's like Heaven, Man! You take out a copy of apache to share, and you still got plenty of apache! You want vlc? We got plenty of vlc for everyone!

        It reminds me of a Grateful Dead parking lot in many ways...
    • freshpow, on 04/29/2008, -15/+5You ***** stoner. How the ***** did think it was relevant to compare software to smoking weed. I'm sure that all you think about.
      • teekay87, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5***** yea... smoke weed everyday!!! warm milk doesnt work for all of us!
      • xptoast, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6I don't smoke it but I sure think you need to to calm your crazy self down. It was a very easily correlative comment.
      • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4you need to smoke some weed.
      • linuxpenguin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3How do you answer a question when it's not a question.
      • Doriath, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Two of your three sentences were mangled. Perhaps you should lay off the weed?
    • ZiggyDaZigster, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2Puff Puff Pass
    • PHiZ187, on 04/30/2008, -1/+6With the GPL, there are unlimited joints.
      And development sometimes reflects this :p
    • donatj, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2With the GPL if one of your cigarettes is a marijuana cigarette, all the ones that touch it need to be as well.
    • ucg1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2The GPL basically says: smoke this bowl, and pack it up with more weed if you got some, and be sure to share with everyone in the circle
  • jjustice, on 04/29/2008, -46/+8What does LINUX stand for?
    • insllvn, on 04/29/2008, -12/+78freedom
      • bsdboy, on 04/29/2008, -26/+5Sounds good, but the GPL stands for much less then freedom. You are free to modify, redistribute, do whatever... however you are not free to use your changes without giving it all back to the community. Is it good? is it bad? Opinions may differ but 'freedom' isn't 'free' when you are required to do something in exchange.
        • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -1/+9If you make any changes and want to sell it for example or just put it out not in private but into the public, then you have to give the code out (I.E: Tarball package with all the sources), it doesn't mean you can't sell it, you are even given permission to sell it and to be honest most people would even prefer it being sold to them in binary form because they'd have to compile it otherwise and unless they are geeks, that's not something they'd even know about. You just tell me if you'd want to make something, the community can just take and resell without giving back, and benefit/profit from your own "kindness"...

          That's how it works, if you don't want linux freedom then use bsd freedom, that's your problem... so far I see people enjoying Linux freedom much more than BSD freedom.
          • bejayel, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3This is even wrong. If i want ot edit MySQL for example i dont have to make my modifications GPL'd. The only thing i have to do is provide a means to get the original MySQL source which my project was based off of. If you develop off of an original product, only that code is GPL'd. The code which you contribute by making your own project however, is not affected by that license unless you choose to do so.
          • bejayel, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1NVM i neglected to read the whole piece i was reading about this subject. I am wrong.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3You can't build a business around developing and selling GPL software. Don't quote me the stupid FSF line about how you are free to charge for GPL software, I've already seen it a number of times and it is disingenuous for them to say that at the very least.

            Perhaps you would be more interested in reading the OTHER FSF quote no one seems to bring up:

            "You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies."

            http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html

            In short, the first person you sell this GPL software that you developed in-house can turn around and give it away to the whole world for free.

            This is why commercial software developers avoid the GPL, it gives far too much freedom to users while kicking developers (you know, the ones you want to make all this software for you), squarely in the balls.
          • djbon2112, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2@mrsteveman1: Red Hat is doing pretty damn well.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Red hat doesn't sell software, they sell $1000+ support contracts. And you know what? Everything they release gets taken and distributed as the CENTOS project. They couldn't sell the software if they wanted to, because as you can clearly see someone instantly grabs it and gives it away.

            Show me how that business model works in a home user situation, it doesn't
        • bsdboy, on 04/29/2008, -8/+4The point was not about selling, was not about which is better, and not about how "most people prefer it". The point is that if I make a change I am legally bound to publish those changes, which doesn't describe 'freedom' at all.

          If all things were GPL companies like Sun, Cisco, Apple, Google, M$, etc would not exist. We all understand why the GPL is necessary and isn't a 'bad' thing, just describing it as 'freedom' is a little overboard.
          • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -1/+10You only have to publish changes you distribute. You can take Linux, change every last line of code, and never share it with anyone if you like.

            The GPL only covers distribution, not use.
          • BrainInAJar, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Sun sells tin, not software ( their software is moving en masse to open source ), google sells services that all run on open-source software... so, those two would be fine
        • BrainInAJar, on 04/29/2008, -2/+7I take issue with the fact the GPL not only doesn't allow you to link proprietary code with it, but it also doesn't allow you to link other free licensed code to it.

          For example, Linux doesn't have ZFS because the GPL doesn't allow you to import CDDL code
          • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2you may not be able to link proprietary code with it but it certainly doesnt create any barriers to do so. It was a breeze automatically installing my wireless driver, my graphics driver, and tons of codecs and plugins.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Another example, the Linux driver for my HDTV stick is under a non GPL free software license, though that is the developers choice, and therefor will never be included in the kernel because it isn't GPL, even though it is in fact free software. On any other platform this wouldn't matter, because you can use whatever drivers you want and they simply work. On linux this driver not only doesn't come with the system, it must be compiled for each and every kernel configuration by the end user who wants to use it.

            This is a completely ridiculous political license problem that shouldn't exist.
          • MWeather, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1Who cares if it's included in the kernel? My Nvidia card's driver isn't included either. I just install it from the repo. I'd wager the driver doesn't come with XP or Vista either.
        • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -4/+9You're NOT bound to release the source code... don't say *****..
          • TomKarpik, on 04/29/2008, -4/+5You are if you are releasing the binaries publicly.
          • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -1/+7That's what I'm saying, you're not bound to release the source code if you use it for your own purpose or between friends and stuff...
          • strictnein, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9Not enough people understand this.

            I had to fight through a lot crap at my last job because people didn't understand that just because PHP is open source doesn't mean we have to give the source code of our website our to everyone.
        • PaleGhost, on 04/29/2008, -5/+2Not only would those companies (as well as many others) not exist, but software would still be very primative. It takes companies turning a descent profit to re-invest in R&D to come up with better and better software (regardless how anyone feels about a particular OS or software).
          • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5I think you're confused. Reinventing the wheel 100 times over has held back progress. Lack of interoperability has held back progress. Look at the advancements in Linux since it's inception versus the advances in Windows during that same period. Windows development is practically at a stand-still by comparison.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Windows is at a stand still because Microsoft is incompetent. To suggest that because Windows hasn't advanced, that this is a failure of commercial of proprietary software is ridiculous.
          • melat0nin, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1@mrsteveman1: that's not actually what he said.
        • Fartag, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2But, that "non-free" restriction guarantees the freedom that you enjoyed in creating your work shouldn't be withheld from others. Licenses like BSD do guarantee more _immediate_ freedom, but like anarchy there's no guarantee it stays that way! So GPL ultimately gains more freedom in terms of fostering more open code over the long haul, which scores higher in the overall freedom category.

          On the good / bad question, I'd side in favor of GPL unless our current information laws (patents, copyright, DMCA, etc.) were overhauled to something much more reasonable and then BSD would win hands down! That is, BSD is used to strengthen companies that thrive on information and user restriction; companies whose strength is wielded to set trends to entrench themselves while weakening others; companies that amass patents to restrict outside progress, etc. GPL on the other hand actively opposes that kind of evil at a fundamental level, it's among our best tools to use right now.
        • Theli, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2While there are restrictions to the GPL, they are not ones that affect end users. This is what the article alluded to; the fact that you can take your downloaded/shipped copy and install it on your desktop, your laptop and then lend it to a friend.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Yea they affect developers, the people you want to write all this software for you in the first place.

            If most users were also developers, this idealistic GPL world of "everyone improves the software and passes it on" would be fine. Most users aren't developers, and hence you end up with a small number of people developing software for the rest of the users, sometimes without being paid for doing so.

            And where they are paid, its through some complex business model built on something other than selling software, because they can't do that with the GPL, the first person who gets a copy of the program can legally give it away to everyone else for free, ruining any chance of selling it.
    • rustychipmunk, on 04/29/2008, -3/+52Linux and its concepts were started by Linus Torvalds, leading to the name Linux. It is not an acronym for anything else
      • PleaseJustDie, on 04/29/2008, -0/+16Why is rusty being burried? He's right, Linux's name came about as a merging of Linus and Unix to create Linux.

        If people come up with fancy recursive acronyms for it, that's great, but those aren't originally its name.
        • lamiaconfitor, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7I love that you said recursive. you have to write software.
          • PleaseJustDie, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Yeah, I do.
          • init100, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Not necessarily. Mathematicians are also usually familiar with the concept of recursion.
          • lamiaconfitor, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1@init100, yeah but where are the practical applications? okhams razor isn't good for much but it is good for obscurity.
        • JakeyG14, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1I think what you are referring to is called a "bacronym", an example of pointless neology.
          • tech42er, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2backronym actually
          • lamiaconfitor, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1@ jakeyg14) I happen to be a nerd, but you are a dork. so much lower on the lay-ability scale.
        • djbon2112, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4It was "Linus" and "Minix", as "Linus' Minix" which just became "Linux".
      • SteveMax, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2That is Linux as we know it. LINUX, in all caps as in the title, would be an acronym. That is the reason for the GP comment.
        • JakeyG14, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1You're right, but in today's world where grammar gets no love, acronyms slide by without being capitalised all the time LOL.
    • BrainInAJar, on 04/29/2008, -20/+14it's a recursive acronym, it stands for Linux Is Not UniX
      • ziptnf, on 04/29/2008, -1/+14You're thinking of GNU.
        • BrainInAJar, on 04/29/2008, -3/+3that as well is not UNIX, but neither is Linux
        • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Linux isn't UNIX, you're right, but it doesn't stand for anything. It's a combination of the Kernel writer's name, Linus, and MINIX, as far as I know. He also changed the IX ending to UX... I could be wrong about this. GNU stands for GNU's Not UNIX.. btw, Linux isn't in all caps.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2It's all sort of ridiculous.

            GNU isn't really an operating system it is a set of userspace tools, and they ARE intended to be used on Unix systems.

            Perhaps of HURD wasn't worthless GNU could in fact be considered an operating system, but GNU stuff doesn't make up the majority of the software on a *nix machine anyway.

            Linux on the other hand IS in fact unix, the syscalls are very similar for the most part, it is posix compliant and would probably be SUS compliant if it wasn't so expensive, and of course if there weren't 20,000 distros that would all have to be certified
          • BrainInAJar, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1"Linux on the other hand IS in fact unix"
            no it's not, it's a UNIX workalike.

            "the syscalls are very similar for the most part"
            similar != equal

            "it is posix compliant "
            no it's not. It fails the test suites

            "and would probably be SUS compliant if it wasn't so expensive"
            no it wouldn't, it fails the test suites pretty badly
      • spydon, on 04/29/2008, -3/+3What? Why did you get dugg down? Isnt it that, that it stand for?
        • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4First of all, your comment barely makes sense. Secondly, no, that's not what it officially stands for, because it's not an acronym. I don't even think that LINUX is trademarked. GNU is the command line underbelly of Linux, and GNU stands for GNU's Not UNIX.
        • newwatch51, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1No, it's a common misconception
      • dudeguy1234, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator, is a recursive acronym. Linus Torvalds created Linux. Linus + Unix = Linux.
      • newwatch51, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1Actually, that's a common misconception
    • halobender, on 04/29/2008, -3/+17Linus Torvalds came up with his own work a like Unix. His name and unix mashed up.
      • lamiaconfitor, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2Satan: "lets play a word game: 'smush.'"
        Jesus the DJ: "whats a 'smoosh'
    • brstilson, on 04/29/2008, -4/+7As a college student, Linus Torvalds wanted to port the Unix-like operating system Minix to IBM PC hardware. Linus' Minix became Linux
      • niczar, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4Wrong, Linux is not based on Minix -- Linux started as its own, original codebase --, although it has probably been influenced by it.
        • insllvn, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1It was Torvalds displeasure at the closed source nature of Minix (he could not look at the source to port it) that gave birth to Linux. Linus did indeed write a fresh code base that evovled into the Linux kernel, but he was inspired to do so by Minix, and its percieved deficits. The GNU OS was dreamt up by Stallman, but he never managed to write a working kernel. Together they became the GNU/Linux OS, or in common parlance: Linux.
        • init100, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2@insllvn

          "the closed source nature of Minix"

          How can an operating system designed to be used for teaching operating system concepts be closed source?
          • niczar, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Minix was not "closed source", it was proprietary, non-free, didn't allow for unlimited modification and redistribution. IOW it was not the polar opposite of "open source", it was just not free enough to qualify for it.
        • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I thought it was because Minix used microkernels, and Linux just uses one big kernel + modules. Minix may have visible source code, but maybe the license it was released under didn't allow people to copy it.
          • niczar, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Minix didn't use microkernel, it's his creator who advocated microkernels for more ambitious projects.
        • insllvn, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1That was my understanding, I'll not pretend to be flawless.
      • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4And also he wanted to port it to 386 because that's all he had :)
        • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1i used to wish i had a 386, those were the days.
    • byronne, on 04/29/2008, -10/+4Truth, Freedom, and the American Way.
      • blackjack75, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5That particular American Way seems to inspire more developers in Northern Europe than anywhere else though.
      • ggfobster, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Sounds like Thom Hartmann's opening statement of each show..
    • kahrn, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9It doesn't stand for anything. Linux was a name suggested by someone else (iirc it was someone that was uploading it to FTP or something) and they suggested the name 'Linux', opposed to 'Freax' which is what torvalds originally wanted to use.
    • al11588, on 04/29/2008, -30/+0GAY GAY GAY. Microsoft-FTW
      • mGARANDEUR1, on 04/29/2008, -4/+1I can't help but think that maybe Microsoft requires people to pay for their software because they actually put time into making it.
        • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4yeah, they do it because it's their job not because they love it and the quality shows.
      • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Name calling FTL
    • Amiga500, on 04/29/2008, -5/+1Way ahead of you:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/fejedelem/2354852764/
    • pcghost, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1If you watch the documentary Revolution OS, you will see Linus Torvalds saying that the word Linux stands for "Linux is not Unix".
    • randomstupid, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1his national anthem
  • oldhick, on 04/29/2008, -33/+25You've got to be ***** me... Guess what? Its been this way for a long long time.
  • cheezeme, on 04/29/2008, -61/+22You know the windows one has value when they ask you not steal it, and the linux one is like a STD when you can't give it away.
    • maolmuire, on 04/29/2008, -21/+21Linux is free, and is precious. Windows costs money, and is worthless.
      • Echomote, on 04/29/2008, -12/+6A Linux CD/DVD isn't precious, you could just download and burn another copy.
    • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -7/+4Yup, windows doesn't cost anything it's ***** it's only good because most people use it so there's stupid vendors who think that's the only way they can profit... They can very well use cross platform GUI toolkits and benefit from being a good vendor and have more customers (I.E: The people using the other operating systems). I don't see how something like Qt4 or GTK can't be used in something like photoshop... and OpenGL is not even close to being the weakest link... It's just as much capable as direct3d and then some. and then using SDL... There's already a few games that use SDL/OpenGL and they are just as good as the windows counterpart... quake wars anyone? doom 3? unreal tournament?
      • lamiaconfitor, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1okay, I agree, but disagree, universal compatibility is key to pc gaming. My rule is dual boot. though windows will whine and say dual boot sucks, linux will make up the difference and play fair. if there was a reliable and simple way to play my games out of the box on linux, Id be all over that *****, but there isn't. sucks, but true. I am not programming my OS every time a game comes out that I like, if I have to pay microsoft 100$ for an os, then so be it.
    • Chakat, on 04/29/2008, -2/+34Naw, windows is like the whore standing on the corner. Costs a couple hundred bucks, but you have to worry about viruses later on.
      • darkphenox, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2Not if your smart and use a condom
        • sonicjosh, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Zero-day
        • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1psst... he probably has no idea what you're talking about.. just FYI
    • TomRemixed, on 04/29/2008, -2/+15You all suck so very much. Mac, Windows, and Linux fanboys alike. You suck.
      • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1What, pray tell, do you use then? Maybe I'll give it a try. Or is it that you use Mac, Windows, or Linux, but you're just not smug about it? Sorry, I don't think I'm ready for that yet.
    • MWeather, on 04/29/2008, -0/+14You're far more likely to get an STD from someone you have to pay to have sex with you. Windows is a whore. Linux is a girlfriend.
      • forgiste, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1I'd say that OS X is like a girlfriend, and Linux is more like a friend with benefits.
      • gansito87, on 04/30/2008, -1/+0You did not just compare an OS to a girlfriend. That's just sad.
    • thomasprebble, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Hi Steve!
  • dtzitz, on 04/29/2008, -8/+193I look forward when this makes it to the front page as there is sure to be a thought provoking discussion...
    • rustychipmunk, on 04/29/2008, -7/+53or just a bunch of biased "i hate microsoft" comments leading somehow to how Mac is "better"
    • svensksvamp, on 04/29/2008, -8/+1It just did! =)
    • kss42, on 04/29/2008, -8/+16I like turtles.
    • exomni, on 04/29/2008, -3/+31Dugg for not including a "sarcasm" tag. See, kids: sarcasm can come across without being blatant.
      • MCA2142, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0What is "Sarcasm?"
        • chamiltonj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Sarcasm is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Sarcasm is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad.

          Oh wait...that's logic. Nevermind.
        • ludar, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1Sarcasm: words designed to hurt
    • Xalorous, on 04/29/2008, -1/+23 way cage match between the 3 camps of fanbois while the adults use whatever OS they like and to hell with the fanbois.

      Hint "good, better, best" depends on your needs wants desires and preferences.
    • muffinmonk, on 04/30/2008, -2/+3To tell the truth, Microsoft believes that if its programmers spend hours each day writing for a program or OS, they at least deserve some kind of compensation, aka money. It's not like the program's going to write itself.
      • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -2/+2I don't see a heck of a lot of evidence that their programmers are spending a whole lot of time doing much of anything.

        What's the URL to their bug-tracker and sdlc-management tool?
      • earthforce1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3Actually, you would be surprised to learn that most lines of code in the Linux kernel are now contributed by paid developers working for fortune 500 companies. I support linux drivers for my employer's custom PCI and SCSI boards, and they would actually love to get them into the main kernel, to ease support for our customers.
      • jay019, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0With all those hours of programming per day, why is it still so *****?
        Five years for that Vista abominatin. ***** lol!!!
    • PHiZ187, on 04/30/2008, -0/+11***** the RIAA
  • sirhomer, on 04/29/2008, -25/+122Proprietary software encourages anti-social behavior.
    • cotaskmemalloc, on 04/29/2008, -33/+13Lame and stupid. Buried.
    • TomKarpik, on 04/29/2008, -15/+3Except that I've had more people come up to talk to me about my MacBook Pro/MacBook Air than I've ever seen come up talk to some guy running Linux on his PC.
      • jstone, on 04/29/2008, -3/+13Then they're obviously not running beryl or compiz fusion. I've had many people ask me about my computer because of that desktop cube.
      • cheeze_ballz, on 04/29/2008, -1/+7that's because you have a fancy apple on the outside...without looking at the screen, you can't tell someone is running linux
        • XVampireX, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2I wonder what happens if you put an apple (A real one) on your PC desk, would people think you're running a mac? :)
        • celkin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4I got plenty of attention when I put a live penguin on my desk.
      • linuxpenguin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1MacBooks are painted bright, shiny, acrylic colors - which makes them REALLY noticeable, in comparison to other laptops. Not to mention you don't have to run Compiz or Beryl, and usually neither is set up by default.
        • TomKarpik, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0Dull metallic grey here -- I said MBP and MBA.
      • jay019, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0With the massive Tux and Ubuntu logos on my laptop I often get asked about it.
        Usually ends up in a CD being burned.
    • sanotaan, on 04/29/2008, -8/+6i could have missed it, but it looks like you forgot to cite your sources.
    • blackjack75, on 04/29/2008, -10/+6While working on open source greatly develops social skills as the recent news showed.

      Hum.. *cough*.. Hans.. *cough* Reiser
      • aeoo, on 04/29/2008, -3/+4Closed source developers are equally as likely to commit fraud or homicide. The point is that one software encourages you to share it, the other encourages you to keep it to yourself. Sharing is a social behavior. Lending is less so, but still social.
    • yaazz, on 04/29/2008, -5/+2You would think that makes sense, but in the real world, most linux computers are servers in dark basements or tucked away in a closet
      • linuxpenguin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1a) that doesn't mean that there aren't a good portion of them being used as everyday machines.
        b) he didn't say Linux. You see Firefox on many Windows/Mac machines. Sometimes other open-source software too.
      • AlvesLopes, on 04/30/2008, -1/+0I would like to ***** over a server someday. Although i won't stop to look if it is Linux or Windows. If it is a Mac, i will realise im dreaming :D
    • Amiga500, on 04/29/2008, -10/+2What a liar. Have you been around Unix/Linux freaks? You can't get within 10 feet of them due to the lack of Soap.
  • ats314, on 04/29/2008, -11/+371That's really more of a suggestion than a rule from Microsoft. At least, thats the way I've always perceived it.
    • insllvn, on 04/29/2008, -5/+125The Pirate's Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules...
      • twrife, on 04/30/2008, -5/+3Are all of the 13 year old girls digging you up?
        • DharmaTurtle, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1Why the hate?
        • insllvn, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Don't be a snob. Pirates of the Caribbean was a good movie.
    • damnitdaniel, on 04/29/2008, -3/+41Kinda like stop signs, right?
    • haldir2012, on 04/29/2008, -8/+20I've bought enough computers with Windows on them that I don't think it matters when I torrent another copy, especially because my new machine ONLY COMES WITH ***** VISTA.
      • Intamin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6No wonder you can't get anything done on Vista, it's too busy making babies.
        • xptoast, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Vista babies? You know it would be cruel to name a baby girl Vista at this day in age.
          • earthforce1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+5Unless she is an epileptic, then it might make sense.
      • Myztry, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3There enough legitimate unused keys in the wild for XP, nobody really has to buy anymore. Licenses don't expire and the EULA is just a list of suggestions, as only a court can turn it into a legally binding order.
    • jinxplayer, on 04/30/2008, -1/+4I just dont give a ***** enough to make up a ***** excuse to try to justify it. Sorry i diddnt pay for your overpriced software assholes.
  • mentallyinhell, on 04/29/2008, -7/+42One's in it for the money, the other's there for the oppurtunity.
    • celkin, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3*opportunity
      • xptoast, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2I hate grammer nazis. See what I did there?
        • degoba, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9*grammar Why do you have to be a dick? I'm not a grammar nazi. I have OCD and I just couldn't leave grammar misspelled. I was doing better today. I really was. My therapist said I was coming along great. Thanks for making me slip up. Now I get to spend the rest of the night washing my hands while pacing around the room with my penis in my hand.
    • Khangwin, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2ultimately, it always comes down to the money.
    • fdsarawr, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4Of course Microsoft is in it for money. That's the point of a business.
      • frontporsche, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Is this a reason to, or not to, buy from Microsoft?
  • r55741, on 04/29/2008, -19/+5cause ur idea of a teddy bear is a penguin?
  • aldenhg, on 04/29/2008, -8/+33Why even bother putting that on a Windows Mobile disk? It's not as if there's anyone out there who builds their own PDAs and needs to get an OS for them. The OS comes on the device and you're not all that likely to change it.
    • Midnitte, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0Alot of people do change it, granted that same message is on all windows cds after windows 95 or whatever it was.
      Trying linux on something is fun, but if it doesnt work you need a way to replace the OS you got rid of eh.
      • insertAliasHere, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Mobile. Obviously you need install media for the desktop version, but come on. Do you really need it for a PDA?
    • linuxpenguin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Usually you don't "change" so much as "upgrade". Your PDA's OS gets outdated, and you buy/download a software upgrade.
      • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1I use 3x5 index cards... I just buy another pack.
        • freddyjackson, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2You should consider upgrading to the new 4x6 platform.
        • ludar, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1i suggest the "scotch" upgrade
    • CalcProgrammer1, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Well, you can update the OS on your PDA (I did) but you have to wait until it's been hacked together into a working binary for your particular model, you can't just buy any copy of WM6 and slap it on your PDA, you need a custom ROM designed for your particular model. I updated my Dell Axim X50v from WM2003 to the unofficial (illegally copied) WM6 that I'm using now. If M$ would sell their new OS for old units, I'd buy it, but since they don't, I'm forced to take unofficial ones. Too bad for Microsoft for promoting software piracy.
      • hocusposus, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0shhhh... dont give them any ideas.
    • TechCF, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1Almost all the fake navigation systems and smartphone copies run pirated Windows Mobile. Just check out some of the iPhone clones.
  • Emmo213, on 04/29/2008, -7/+160So basically you started a blog then submitted your posts to Digg. Good job.
    • rustychipmunk, on 04/29/2008, -8/+7Sounds like someone is trying to get attention, eh?
      • amida, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Congratulations on PR 8 with three posts since January.
    • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+17for real, since when are digg users creating content? we're supposed to just watch other people do it for us and criticize from afar.
    • Norris667, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Yea, but it worked
      • snapu, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0Step 1: Search Digg for "Linux" Step 2: Digg every article
    • 5urr3al5am, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2you forgot one very important step.. added per-vier and per-click advertising
  • rustychipmunk, on 04/29/2008, -53/+88Probably just another "lets burn microsoft" attempt...
    get over it, microsoft did more for computers and computing that linux or mac ever did
    • mozert, on 04/29/2008, -38/+12OMG. your stupidity could fill a stadium.
      • Janv1er, on 04/29/2008, -8/+29Like it or not he's right, even if he is a troll.
        • Xalorous, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2Between MS and old blue and those nerds that worked for Al Gore, they enabled us all.
    • PyroChan, on 04/29/2008, -4/+10Right-o there guv'na.
    • PsychTouch, on 04/29/2008, -5/+19and we payed for this... so i don't think we are in debt with them
      • aeoo, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3Are you saying it's the consumer that created the computer revolution and not the companies like Microsoft? Have you no shame?
      • muffinmonk, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1yeah, so?
    • nytejade, on 04/29/2008, -14/+33Actually, Microsoft 'stole' a lot of their user interface ideas from Apple, and OS X is based on BSD, which is similar to Linux (based on Unix).

      So... Good luck with that.
      • Metman, on 04/29/2008, -4/+16Actually they 'stole' from Xerox (if you consider a $10,000 copyright turned multi-billion dollar industry a steal). If you want to break it down to its fundamental beginnings Apple actually implemented Windows concepts into their OS (albeit with better effectiveness).
        • subgeniusd, on 04/29/2008, -2/+7Actually Jobs and crew "stole" from Xerox (PARC). Then MS copied from Apple.
        • Virgule, on 04/30/2008, -1/+5Actually, the dead horse is over there-------------->
          Go beat on it some more
      • balazsbela, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8Pirates of Silicon Valley is a pretty good movie about that.
        • dig1x, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1Pirates of Silicon Valley is as accurate telling of computing history as the TV show Dallas on Oil Industry in the early 80s.

          Ie; total fiction.
      • tnoy, on 04/29/2008, -3/+6Microsoft steals things, yet Apple just uses.

        I get it.
        • aeoo, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Both Apple and Microsoft are companies run by sociopathic dickheads. They both want to control and lock-in as much of the market as they can get away with. None of them actually give an honest damn about the people they sell to.
          • mikelieman, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Yeah, but that Apple Product is built SO WELL compared to the competition...

            Damn You!
      • Slacker1031, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3like it or not, they somehow made it work better than Apple. They also stole the mouse concept from apple, once again Microsoft has made more use of it than apple.

        Even though stealing ideas is wrong, not using them to their full potential to begin with is worse.
    • oderdigg, on 04/29/2008, -11/+10Haha.. that's funny. You should be a stand-up comic with lines like that...
    • jessehadden, on 04/29/2008, -9/+2Had Windows never existed, we'd be forced to use only Apple, Unix-derivative, and Linux systems. Oh, and maybe a Xerox system that would have been rather similar to Windows. Ah, the nightmare indeed.
      • blackjack75, on 04/29/2008, -1/+9Or we could be running AmigaOS 8 and it would absolutely rock. We'll never know.
      • Xalorous, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2Or the only "computers" you'd see in a house would be atari 208000's, and the ones in offices would have fancy 64 color TEXT monitors.

        And businesses would run Novell IPX/SPX networks.

        And the Internet would be mainly still on college campues and defense installations (I mean due as a byproduct of the proliferation of inexpensive desktops with graphical abilities, not that Microsoft built the internet, don't put those words in my mouth.)

    • netzdamon, on 04/29/2008, -18/+20Microsoft did more to ruin the computer industry than anyone else is more like it.
      • mozert, on 04/29/2008, -3/+5Yep. And I dont even know why that stupid rustychimpwhatever guy is being dugg up.
    • aajjcckk, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2So true, and no mistake
    • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6if anything microsoft and apple have held the industry back with all their proprietary *****.
    • CalcProgrammer1, on 04/30/2008, -10/+9I agree, Microsoft did some wonderful amazing things for PC's that Linux never ever did...

      -Implemented security flaws
      -Allowed the execution of viruses
      -Allow or Deny?
      -The BSOD
      -The weekly reinstall schedule
      -640x480, 16 color graphics on modern systems without working network cards after fresh installs

      Microsoft also led to the invention of other great items in computing history:

      -Viruses
      -Spyware
      -Virus scanners
      -Virus-filled ad spamming driver download sites
      -Identity theft

      See, look at how marvelous Microsoft's direct and indirect accomplishments are! Aren't you glad you're using Windows, the one and only OS that supports all of the above wonderful aspects of modern technology? I mean, honestly, who would want to use Linux when it never gets a BSOD and is way more immune to viruses? What's the fun in not getting your identity stolen and defrauded of millions of dollars? Honestly, come on people! I mean, isn't searching through piles of CD's to find the one for your network card fun? Because obviously in Linux, it automatically installs your Ethernet card and so you don't get to experience the joy of looking for long lost CD's.

      In reality, Microsoft did do some things right, but they also did a lot of things wrong. Some people like Linux, get over it. I personally think both are good OS'es for their own reasons. Gaming is almost exclusive to Windows, but I prefer to browse in Linux for it's stability and security.
      • StickWST, on 04/30/2008, -2/+2Are you ok?
        • rpgguy1o1, on 04/30/2008, -2/+1he's a noob with an ubuntu live disk, trying to get rid of his porno popups
      • snapu, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Dugg this thread for spawning the wrath of... THE LINUX USER
      • MaxPayne3476, on 04/30/2008, -0/+4Oh jesus christ - hate to break it to you, but SP2 is actually quite stable. Compared to my Ubuntu installation where I'm sitting with Amarok frozen, my Gfx unrecognized (which is funny you said that, cause Ubuntu just booted me up in 640), and the mouse jumping so much that I would prefer a virus!

        Who needs BSOD when you get terminal terminate --> OK or the fun GOFNFR (Grayed Out For No ***** Reason). Defrauded millions of dollars? Last time I checked the average income was around $40,000 bub. And linux had no problem installing my ethernet card, it was that damn wireless card it still can't seem to get right :)

        Ugh.
      • crashfive, on 04/30/2008, -1/+0I like the way you say "Microsoft" invented your list... well let me tell you, if Mac's or Linux were on 90% of the computers out there, they would have a lot more security flaws than we currently see, they would have all the virus's they would need all the spy-ware removal tools the works. Windows gets hit with that, not because of poorly written code, it is because they are the most popular. Same reason why terrorist go after the US and US interest more than any other country, because the US is the only super power now. If you want to make a point by doing damage you do it to the largest and most popular. No bragging rights in saying wow I took down .0005% of the computers with my new linux virus that only effected Suse users who were dumb enough to open my attachment. But bring down even 5% of windows users with your new virus and you have been heard....
        • saranagati, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Actually you're wrong on both counts. Linux or any unix based system wouldn't be as insecure because it has true user separation which windows doesn't. So you wouldn't need to reload your whole system every time you get too much spy ware. Once linux or any other unix system becomes main stream and more spy ware utilities become more common we can still use user separation so that users could seamlessly browse the web with one user while using writing documents with another.

          As far as terrorists attacking the US, i'd say it's more about the US interfering with their affairs rather than minding our own their own business.
          • crashfive, on 05/03/2008, -0/+0True but if they were on 90% of the computers out their they would find a way.

            Actually Religion would be more the reason they hate us. They were hating us long before we ever started intervening in the middle east.
        • mozert, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1This is the stupidest comment I have ever read on DIGG. Damn, DIGG should block connections coming from kindergartens.
          • crashfive, on 05/03/2008, -0/+0Well after seeing this I thought I would check your profile and see what kind of comments you leave. Well talk about kindergartens, you don't even post comments to stories you just try and heckle people. Why are you here you don't contribute you just make your self look like an idiot. Now that is the type of user Digg needs to block.
      • nytejade, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Wait, this wasn't a joke?
    • frontporsche, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Well, is someone going to list some of the great contributions Microsoft has made? besides the obvious: becoming the McDonald's of the OS world.
    • Fartag, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Windows and Microsoft have done more _against_ computing and users in general, but I'd like to see all this evidence to the contrary! Anticompetition is not a characteristic that you look for in a monopoly controlling such a critical resource. It's not good for _any_ industry and those that defend it simply haven't compared how much faster things would have developed without this anchor attached. Look at Linux, for example, a much younger system and its incredible development rate. This is despite the attempts at Microsoft to squelch and kill it. Praise for Microsoft in almost any form is _almost always_ misguided and there is a very rich history to back this up!
  • smacksaw, on 04/29/2008, -19/+142I love my Linux as much as the next person, but come on...why not take screencaps of the EULA (or lack of one) and circle them in Paint and submit it?

    Buried...lame
    • bsmang, on 04/29/2008, -1/+11How do you take a screencap of a lack of something? Ya gotta at least admit that a non-Linux user might be somewhat likely to think it odd to see a mass-manufactured software CD with such a message on it.
      Oh ok, you win, it's lame. But I dugg it anyway 'cuz I liked it.
    • dulymachine, on 04/29/2008, -2/+10PAINT!?!?!?!?!11111ONE M$ sorcery!!!!! maybe tuxpaint..
    • mossblaser, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6Paint is closed source.
    • D0m0kun, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Because small print isn't in your face and never makes as big of an impact as an enlarged warning RIGHT ON the disk itself!
    • phornung, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Nah, he used Photoshop CS under Windows. Open the picture with a text editor and search for 'windows'
      • tnoy, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1You could also just look at the EXIF data.
    • caramba420, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0Seriously. Also, most people don't need an understanding of the internals of the kernel, anyway, which is all that Linux is. What they like are the GNU tools, X, and the userland software that is ported to it. Most of this is also available on FreeBSD.
  • bonds, on 04/29/2008, -5/+11Omg, what an outrageous concept!
  • BXRWXR, on 04/29/2008, -12/+35That is why I love lamp.
  • codehkr77, on 04/29/2008, -56/+32***** you and your reason for loving linux.
    DIGG ME DOWN BITCHES!!!
    • cotaskmemalloc, on 04/29/2008, -23/+5I'll digg you up, I agree with you. ***** linux.
      • MCA2142, on 04/29/2008, -2/+6yeah...

        let's all ***** freedom.
      • amirman, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3you guys are absolute retards. no wonder you hate linux, you can't even figure out how digg.com works. there is this awesome feature where if you don't like something you can choose to never ever see it, like it never even existed. for instance i dont give a ***** about barry bonds or sports in general so guess what i changed my settings to never recieve sports articles. i don't go post in sports article threads about how much i hate peoples obsession with sports. you are truly an idiot, here is your reward. http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/category.aspx?bc ...
    • jgambleii, on 04/29/2008, -11/+19You are an idiot.
      • TomKarpik, on 04/29/2008, -17/+6Says the guy with the Ubuntu logo for a user pic.
      • Amiga500, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1The clue bus has left you behind.... and you didn't even have enough change to pay the fare.
    • PyroChan, on 04/29/2008, -4/+16I'm afraid i cant do that Dave.
    • SSCrow, on 04/29/2008, -3/+22Never gonna thumb you up, never gonna digg you down, never gonna turn around and reply to you.......oh wait.
  • Intrusionv2, on 04/29/2008, -22/+4***** the RIAA
  • inavat, on 04/29/2008, -15/+74I think we all understand that linux is free and windows isn't. Buried.
    • caramba420, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2Agreed. Linux is not the only free OS, anyway. Hell, Linux is not even an OS, it is a kernel. GNU/Linux is an OS. FreeBSD has "free" right in the name, and the Ports Tree to boot. OpenBSD is the most secure OS on the planet. NetBSD will run on your toaster. ReactOS is Windows-compatible (but only alpha stage, sadly). Plan 9 is the future. Solaris 10 is at least free-as-in-beer, and it's just a stable as any other *NIX out there. Broaden your horizons people!
      • inavat, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0In what universe is Plan9 the future? Maybe I'm ignorant, but is it anything other than stale?
        • caramba420, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0Maybe not Plan 9 proper, but Inferno is worth looking at, although I doubt it to be widely adopted at this point. I was referring more to the idea of network resources in a unified namespace. That is definitely something we're going to be seeing more of. Many of the concepts employed in Plan 9 will surely work their way into the OS's of the future.
  • captainspud, on 04/29/2008, -45/+196AIDS is free to distribute, too.

    Free =/= good.
    • ism70605, on 04/29/2008, -7/+103Actually distributing AIDS freely is illegal. Just like Windows.
      • CobaltBlue, on 04/29/2008, -7/+14Actually, only knowingly distributing aids freely is illegal.
        • ism70605, on 04/29/2008, -3/+22The word "distributing" has a certain connotation of doing something knowingly.
        • KloroFormd, on 04/29/2008, -5/+5In that case, I'm not aware that my torrent client is seeding my music. Is it legit?
        • muffinmonk, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1You can also distribute unknowingly.
          • ism70605, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2To portray unknowingness I would use passive voice. For example: AIDS was spread by him. Instead of: He distributed AIDS. The second sounds more purposeful due to the word distribute and the active voice.

            got it?
    • masfenix, on 04/29/2008, -10/+7Linux and AIDS have a lot if common. I think. Maybe they dont. I dont know.
      • ism70605, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3The GPL was designed to be viral. Linux doesn't have anything viral about it in itself. That is a ramification of Linux originally linking against GNU tools at its conception. They could have used a GPL compatible license but I am not too sure about this stuff. Anything linked against GPL must be GPL or a compatible license.

        So the GPL is viral not Linux.
        • init100, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2"That is a ramification of Linux originally linking against GNU tools at its conception."

          Care to elaborate? AFAIK, Linus chose the GPL because he liked it, not because he was forced to by linking to some tool.
          • ism70605, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0*Opens Holy Scroll of Linux*
            Oh you are correct. Let me repent for my stopped jobs.
      • mossblaser, on 04/29/2008, -5/+1Only in the sense that everyone goes on about it but very few people actually know any facts.
      • Amiga500, on 04/29/2008, -4/+2People with AIDS have probably had sex, whereas you can pretty much guarantee Linux users are virgins who have only looked at p0rn online.
      • freddyjackson, on 04/30/2008, -0/+3They're both gaining popularity in Africa.
    • expert01, on 04/29/2008, -1/+23Am I the only one that realises you can't spread AIDS (since it's acquired), only HIV?
      • pandorazboxx, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1Are you sure?
        • ism70605, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6HIV is the virus and AIDS (autoimmune deficiency syndrome) is what happens when HIV devours(I love that word) your leukocytes.
        • drizzlelicious, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3I read that, thought of devourers, and now I have to play Starcraft.
        • Dmanaway, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2So it follows that Starcraft gives you AIDS.
        • DontThinkSo, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1For the swarm!
    • Knet88, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2AIDS and how many other viruses, but then again, you know plenty about viruses if you use Windows.
  • TexasShiv, on 04/29/2008, -27/+13oh that pesky micro$oft.. Actually wanting to make money.

    How dare they! We must shareeeee man.

    *takes a puff*
    • subgeniusd, on 04/29/2008, -2/+9Linux development is funded and produced with a great deal of help from Fortune 500 companies. But don't let reality interfere with your assumptions "Tex".
  • cotaskmemalloc, on 04/29/2008, -26/+59Whoop de *****. Who cares? Buried as lame.
    • senfo, on 04/29/2008, -2/+9That's fine that the Linux developers want to