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………………………………………………………’’~-‘’_ , , ,,’,_/--‘ - Coestar, on 02/22/2009, -0/+41Possibly the most creative use of pedobear ever.
- batTUrd, on 02/22/2009, -1/+25Article posted: May 17, 2000
Date posted to Digg: February 22, 2009... - bashbosh, on 02/21/2009, -0/+18Well, I know them now :)
- T8erT0T, on 02/22/2009, -2/+11So does Stallman let you pet his beard for being such a good fan?
- jemka, on 02/22/2009, -0/+7And we knew them almost a decade ago when the article was written.
- Foofoofoofoobar, on 02/22/2009, -1/+8It's got high points and low points. Like a camel's back.
Also, maybe like Perl. =P - zeromerk, on 02/22/2009, -0/+6>> chmod 766 history
There, that should fix it. Make sure to document all your modifications. - link2009, on 02/22/2009, -1/+7Oh well, we can't rewrite history. Good article though.
- Memnochxx, on 02/22/2009, -2/+8"Parts of the chip were visionary, parts were terrible," she recalls. "It was like a camel."
What the hell does that even mean? - Myztry, on 02/22/2009, -0/+5I had never heard of Bill and Lynne Jolit which disappoints me. They sound like they had the pioneering spirit that made the era so exciting to live through. Sadly computing is pretty much entrenched by Microsoft who sit on their hands, wait for markets to develop and then merely throw massive resources at poaching anything exciting and diluting it into a mere revenue stream.
How I wish we computing could have a breakaway system to get us away from this painted corner of boring. Something like the Amiga which introduced 32bit pre-emptive multi-tasking, hardware accelerated GUI, native multimedia capabilities, powerful graphical scripting CLI, message driven architecture, click/menu two button mouse, [superkey] shortcuts, multiple screens, common CLI/GUI programming method, etc.
'Modern' computing has become such 1/4 century old technology. Screw reverting to touch interfaces and other 80's tech (more fingers. BFD). It's been so many dog years. We should be voice controlling computers. They should be no need to enter search terms. We should be asking the computer questions. Technology has gone lame! Same *****. More brute force to achieve it. - Foofoofoofoobar, on 02/22/2009, -0/+5The key to take away from this article is: "The Jolitzes had a very different style. Like Torvalds, they placed a premium on quality control, but unlike him, they seem to have tried to control quality by doing most of the work themselves. This inevitably made their release cycle slow, but it was also an implied snub to would-be collaborators -- who took their contributions elsewhere."
They failed to really take advantage of the open source community development model (though it wasn't really as well-defined back then). That's really why their operating system failed to take off, even though they were first.
Also, two people trying to write an entire usable, production-quality OS by themselves? Nobody does that. - rmxz, on 02/22/2009, -1/+5It's still an interesting article. IMHO the most interesting aspects are in the licensing terms in the two products.
BSD was there first. Got early corporate sponsors (pre-solaris SunOS was BSD-based), and had a nice head start in stability over Linux.
Yet Linux won.
IMHO because much of the BSD development was spend on proprietary forks while the GPL's Linux development was more frequently shared back. - Kerrigore, on 02/22/2009, -0/+4"This article is older than 9/11."
Fixed. - Kerrigore, on 02/22/2009, -1/+5In a sense, if you judge by marketshare, and you take Mac OS X to be a form of FreeBSD, then FreeBSD "won".
- Optimus55, on 02/22/2009, -0/+4Dude. As a realistic person, the GNU/linux thing, that's gotta end. Yes, I did watch the documentaries, yes i do know the story, yes i do know linux is a kernel etc etc. but honestly?
saying gnu/linux isn't sexy - translates to unmarketable (try selling netbooks with gnu/linux to non technical people as opposed to the simpler "linux").
dont fight popular culture - because you'll lose. if the whole world calls it linux, and the majority of regular people know it as that, then eventually that's what it'll be. you're fighting a loosing battle dude. Ex. "cracking" which describes what most people call today "hacking". But guess what? because of movies and popular media, if i tell someone i was "hacking" last night, then automatically they know what i'm talking about. effective communication. if i say cracking, they'll be confused. ineffective.
don't be a little bitch - sorry dude. i'm all about giving credit where credit is due. And i love how you're SO enthusiastic to promote the GNU part of the name. honestly though, it just makes you look like a whiny little girl in a pink polka dot dress. go do something better with your life man. seriously. - srg13, on 02/22/2009, -0/+4Obviously Linux is not the OS, but GNU still should get over themselves. Does anyone call Mac OS X Gnu/Mac OS X because it and its applications use GCC, and it ships a few GNU libraries? They don't, and shouldn't have to. Same for Linux. I mean, sure, the GNU utilities are important, but wanting to put them at the front of the name is just exceedingly arrogant...
Oh, and @Killer_Manbeast
"it computes binary and talks to the hardware, you never see it, you hardly use it."
Are you kidding? I mean, what, you're only using it, what, 50 times a second as it schedules tasks. And then add to that all the system calls it will handle in that time, and you're using it a damn lot... And, having done plenty of kernel development in my time, I fail to see how it is the simplest part of the system. Have you ever taken a look the Intel developer manuals? - pbgswd, on 02/22/2009, -0/+3they digg you down only because they dont understand that fsf deserves acknowledgment because their work is in it. you dont quote someone in a paper and then not give a reference.
- deboerpa, on 02/22/2009, -0/+3You got the IBM part right, but they did that in 1961. A Nintendo 64 actually had a 64-bit processor.
- OUPablo, on 02/23/2009, -0/+3I concur. Why is a nine year old article being dugg this much?
Thanks for the warning pedobear - rmxz, on 02/22/2009, -0/+3Yet how many of their improvements have been fed back to upstream projects in FreeBSD -- especially compared to IBM's enhancements to Linux.
- wrighton, on 02/22/2009, -0/+3Your popping up everywhere today aren't you.
- Myztry, on 02/22/2009, -0/+2I'm fairly well versed with Linux, but I'm not merely talking menu navigation via voice. That's just another input method for the same concept.
64bit computing is good, scope wise. But it's nothing revolutionary. It just allows larger addressing. More cores are good as far as brute force, but it doesn't scale well due to the overlayed systems being unable to utilize the parallel nature very well. My Quad core rarely goes over 35% utilization regarding of the task. Daz3d is a rare exception.
What I refer to is more along the lines of making everything objects (which is how people treat things mentally - not just against women). This would enable voice commanding as everything would have methods to perform functions.
"Copy to printer, documents, bookmark" would all be relevant as they would understand the context of the Copy method. - int19h, on 02/23/2009, -0/+2A small piece of a huge cake is preferrable to a huge piece of a tiny cake.
- DifferentAngle, on 02/22/2009, -0/+2If the linux kernel was so unimportant then it would be replaced with the GNU kernel (yes, it does exist).
You are not required to use GCC in linux, there are other compilers... - Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -0/+2@nero147
I didn't find my post insulting, you need to learn your definitions.
I _stated_ facts, the article has errors. I would call myself an activist, GNU/Linux is to make a political and ethical choice asserting your rights to learn and to share what you learn with others. It should be called as it is, or the freedom might become confused, and not adopted.
I agree GNU/Linux doesn't sound as simple as it is, so a new name has to be used, not GNU, nor Linux, something new.
And, it's FOSS not OSS. Unless you _are_ talking about actual "open source software" which isn't free software, and can be proprietary. And, I'm against that, so I advocate. (I have to explain or I'll sound pugnaciously insulting.) - nero147, on 02/22/2009, -0/+2I dug him down because he stated a true fact in a pugnacious and insulting fashion. I agree that Stallman and the FSF deserves more aknowledgement than they get, but it doesn't help the cause to casually dismiss and insult anyone who doesn't use the PC verbage for OSS.
- Vadi0, on 02/22/2009, -0/+2Well, there's an important lesson to OSS development. Learn to be social...
- Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -1/+3Yes.
- ColdDimSum, on 02/23/2009, -0/+1A better account of the history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.4BSD-Lite#4.4BSD_an ...
And also, let us not forget MINUX:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minux - deboerpa, on 02/22/2009, -0/+1Funny thing is, it looks like brute force pretty much made InterProphet Silicon TCP pointless.
- UKsHaDoW, on 02/22/2009, -1/+2Trying using just linux no shell. A kernel is pointless without a shell.
- Killer_Manbeast, on 02/23/2009, -0/+1@DifferentAngle
A kernel is necessary. And, GCC is used to compile more than 80% of the applications used in GNU/Linux, is included with most distributions, some Unix programs use it, and, even Macintosh OS X uses it for around 25% of the applications pre-installed, and, around 50% for all third party programs. It, is more of an necessity.
And, as Torvalds said himself "There's a lot of these programs, done by the Free Software Foundation, and, done by a lot of other people like Linux. And, there's a symbioses between Linux and the programs so that the programs run on Linux and at the same time- and they take advantage of Linux as a platform, while Linux takes advantage of the programs by just being able to use them." said Linus. "What programs?" the interviewer asked. "Um, for- the main one, which is actually the GNU C Compiler, which without a C compiler it would not have been possible to make Linux or many of the open... programs available."
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ugRM3-twc
And, GNU Hurd isn't ready yet. And, that is just because they have been using Linux(the kernel) all this time, but, with the Linux kernel including more and more proprietary binary blobs, GNU Hurd has been seeing more development as of late. So, maybe GNU/Linux will be using the GNU kernel(Hurd) soon enough. Making the operating system just "GNU" as in the existing "GNU operating system." - Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -2/+3"Linux" is the kernel. It doesn't even do common command-line tasks, it computes binary and talks to the hardware, you never see it, you hardly use it.
Firefox, Gimp, the GUI(Gnome in my case,) all depend on GCC (GNU Compiler Collection or GNU C Compiler,) without which the computer would be useless. All the end-user sees is what is known as the "user land," the kernel is the most simple part of all computer operating systems. GNU is the "OS." - MasterDwarf, on 02/22/2009, -0/+1So the article is 9 years old, I wonder how their venture InterProphet fared.
- Frostek, on 02/22/2009, -0/+1I think it's a reference to this - "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."
- DifferentAngle, on 02/22/2009, -3/+4GNU needs to get over itself sometime... Linux is the OS.
- Doughboy, on 02/22/2009, -0/+1Here is a nice pic of them...
http://lynne.telemuse.net/lynne-jolitz-anniversary - T8erT0T, on 02/22/2009, -2/+3Something either got lost in translation or someone likes acid.
- inactive, on 02/22/2009, -3/+3sigh. pavelmah get a ***** life. buried as dupe
- Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -1/+1@Optimus55
"saying gnu/linux isn't sexy" than it should just be GNU, as in "The GNU Operating System."
And, don't call it "hacking" because, that, implies to me like you're not supposed to be messing with the code. As if you are "hacking" in to the United States nuclear weapons system or something very Sci-Fi. Call it coding or something else.
@srg13
No they call it "Mac" because it's a Macintosh computer, in fact, it's an "Apple Macintosh" computer. The GNU didn't write the majority of the Macintosh operating system, Apple did. Where as the GNU wrote almost all of the initial GNU/Linux operating system source code. Even almost completed a kernel before Linus came in.
And, I should have said "Don't plan on using it." or "Don't know their using it." - LingNoi, on 02/22/2009, -2/+1A bitterness over Linux being more popular then BSD. Buried.
- Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -3/+1Perhaps you should try GNU/Linux, Ubuntu preferably. Voice control is built right in to the gnome-panel, have a good enough microphone and it works perfectly.
Also, not too long ago, IBM made the 64 bit processor. Revolutionizing computing as we know it.
Also, the quad-core processors came out not too long ago either.
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-computer_interf ... - Killer_Manbeast, on 02/22/2009, -7/+4"Linux was actually the second open-source Unix-based operating system for personal computers to be distributed over the Internet."
One: You mean GNU/Linux.
Two: 386BSD was the first and only open-source Unix-based operating system for personal computers to be distributed over the Internet. GNU/Linux is Unix-like, we had a lawsuit over that, don't start it up again. BSD "is Unix." And, 386BSD basically became FreeBSD.
Three: GNU/Linux was the first and only free (as in freedom) Unix-like operating system for personal computers to be distributed over the Internet. The Linux kernel isn't as free as it was, but, still.
"If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never have happened."
One: You mean GNU/Linux, Linus.
Two: The Linux kernel probably never would have happened. But, GNU would definitely have happened. In fact, it happened before 386BSD, GNU Hurd and all. 386BSD released in 1992, GNU released in 1983.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386BSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU - inactive, on 02/22/2009, -10/+1Oh swell, we can't indict GWB. Good particle, bro.
- inactive, on 02/22/2009, -10/+1This article is older than Vietnam.
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