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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+32The Linux quality advantage over Windows will increase even more with KDE 4.
- patpi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24very informative article. Arstechnica.com made very good decision with this open source journal.
- weeble, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25KDE 4 is definitely going to impress :-) I played with it a bit at LinuxTag in Berlin a couple months ago, and I have to say... wow... nice... very nice... it is definitely going to make Gnome look even worse than it already does.
- XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17YOU ALL PEOPLE MISSED ONE FEATURE: SPEED, PERFORMANCE.
Yes, Qt4 brings many different features and one of them is really, for real, no tricks, performance. It makes your desktop just as fast as what you see on your desktop. - kazamx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16But I like Gnome :-(. I find it hard to understand GUI choices. I played with both and just hated KDE, Gnome felt like a GUI I made for myself, everything was where I wanted it. However my housemate played with both and HATED Gnome, I mean really 100% hated it. He loves KDE.
I guess its the best thing about linux, we now both have our fav GUI and are very happy. - UKsHaDoW, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15"desktop just as fast as what you see on your desktop" That's one confusing sentence.
- XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Shut up, no flamewars, k, thx, bye?
I'm just kidding but really, no flame wars. Now, every desktop has its pros and cons/advantages and disadvantages, so shut up :D - ahawks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I'm a longtime GNOME fan, but KDE 4.0 is pretty appealing. Gnome has the familiarity of a long-use environment for me, but I may try to convert once it hits a major/stable release...
- Akkarin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12It's a figure of speech you lemon.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13KDE 4 will run on Windows though.
- h0ly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Just need to tighten up the graphics on level three. I mean, four...
Otherwise, excelent! :) - DiggerT, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12no KDE 4 will not run on windows but changes are being make to the KDE libraries that will allow some KDE applications to be ported to windows easily.
- Seph7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9The new file manager dolphin looks good. I'm quite tempted to switch from Gnome when KDE4 is released.
- XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Plasma is the desktop layer, it's what you see on your desktop, instead of having every desktop element separate, like kdesktop and kicker and superkaramba, they put it all together into one. So now you have a customizable desktop which you can add different plasmoids to and generally make it look how you want it to look. What they did with Plasma is also the Data Engines part where you can write a source where to grab information and some graphics and glue it together into a plasmoid to create one, so you can quickly and efficiently develop little plasmoids for yourself or publish them via that khotnewstuff2 stuff.
They are planning more features, but that's basically it.
If you saw the actions on icons thing on plasma, that's what plasma is capable of. - Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Are we looking at the same thing?
- DeviantSeptum, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I still don't 'get' what Plasma is even after visiting their website and reading the info. I'll just have to see it to understand.
- troyunrau, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Qt has always worked on Windows. Qt4/Win is GPL now, thus allowing KDE to be ported to windows.
- shuffle2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5see, unlike gnome, you can customize the ***** out of kde....in your case, literally :)
- Langford, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No premade binaries available yet, as far as I can tell. There is information available though.
http://techbase.kde.org/Category:MS_Windows - segphault, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5There doesn't seem to be a lot of information about Plasma yet that is geared towards explaining it to an end user. This is probably because Plasma is still evolving. When KDE 4 is more mature, Plasma will definitely deliver tangible improvements to the user experience. I highly recommend reading some developer blog entries and looking at some demo videos. Although Plasma doesn't do much yet, the foundation that has been laid has a lot of implications for desktop interactivity.
- postaldave, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6if it is fast then it will rock. the world doesn't need another bloated desktop.
- motang, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I am so looking forward to KDE4 (this is coming form a GNOME fanboy). I am going to trying out Kubuntu once the new alpha comes out this Thursday.
- NTolerance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I'd really like to see better font rendering and an update or complete replacement for the Plastik theme.
- TehDoctor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The plastik thing is being replaced with the Oxygen style (different from the Oxygen icon set). There's a couple demo vids on Google Video. It's a big improvement.
- weeble, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is something I love about Linux... the fact that we can choose the interface that feels right to each of us. For some Gnome seems to have all in the right place.. for others it's WindowMaker or KDE or whatever. That's a major plus over.. say.. Windows.... where you have one very annoying and broken UI and no choices to change it.
For me, it's not so much Gnome itself I hate, it's that horrible GTK. Each release seems like a major regression instead of an advancement. :-( - Kumeelyun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The most curious thing for me is how they arrived at the codename "Cnuth". This is all I could come up with:
http://www.hoodyhoo.com/2007/08/06/note-to-self-19-kname/ - TehDoctor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It's fast. Even from a live CD on crappy hardware.
- gr4yscale, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I can't wait for this.
- XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Couple that with the new techs going into the kernel and you should have a rather neat desktop :)
- kazamx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I have had a few people explain it to me and to be honest I still didn't really get it. I downloaded the Beta and had a bit of a play and now I understand and think its going to be great. I still can't explain it right though. your best bet is to download a copy of KDE 4.0 when its final and have a play with it
- buggu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I don't know why you're dugg down, because what is you said is very true. The very reason I still use Gnome is because KDE looks extremely amaterish and a cheap, programmers desktop. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it looking at it objectively - it's not far from the truth. From what I've read, KDE never had a HIG - and they've only started implementing one now and that's pretty indicative of how far behind KDE is in terms of design aspects. It's true that it can be customized to look good, however there are some things inherently flawed within the KDE interface (icons for every selection, toolbars with a dozen icons stacked on top of each other, widget spacing etc.) that detract from the user experience. However, KDE4 looks to already rectifying those faults and if it can look up to the previews and hype - then it's truly going to surpass Gnome once and for all.
- puelocesar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Plastik is indeed beeing completely replaced by Oxygen Style. See a preview here: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/06/oxygen-style-is-coming-to-town.html
Nuno pinheiro is responsible for Oxygen Style, and he's a very talented artist, but we don't know exactly how Oxygen will be when it's finished, because they aren't releasing a full preview of final artwork. - kurtergad87, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I've read that we should expect a 15-30 % efficiency increase from using the QT 4 engine and the slimmed code coming from improved API's. So KDE 4 will be a lot faster than KDE 3.5.x, which is pretty snappy already.
- shuffle2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4imagine if this were a gnome post....it would probably have 2000+ diggs by now....
oh well
dugg - XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I know, You see alot of stuff but that doesn't mean that it should be slow, right? :)
- Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7I really want to like KDE. I used to be a big fan of the 2.X series. Gnome was better, maybe until recently. As much as I would rather something better than gnome (KIOSlaves rock!), for some reason, KDE has always looked like something quickly knocked up in a paint program. I know I'll get dug down for it, but I know I'm not the only one. I simply can't put my finger on what it is. Look at the resource usage picture in the article. The graph is *great*, then the background it's on looks... i dunno.... cheap? it's like a mismatch. Yeah, maybe that's what I mean about KDE... it just looks fragmented in a weird way. Damn, i wish the KDE tech had a really nice consistantly pro interface. I think it'd win the "war" then...
- MKdx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Firefox helps making the transition to Linux easier.
- Soapdish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2But that is only to support applications.
Stuff like plasma and kwin that change the feel of the desktop, will not be portable because they are still dependant on X. KDE4 on linux will still be unique. - shuffle2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2qt4 apps will be able to run on other OSs....that is all
- buggu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2KDE4 is an indeed a very exciting project. One thing to remember from this article is that this beta release is intended for developers only (though you can help out by testing it and filing bug reports) and it actually intended to be an Alpha 3 release. The biggest thing to note here is the appearance of the system. The beta is still using a Plastik-derivative style that is included by default with the QT4 install and it does NOT have the KDE4 Oxygen style developed for it. This goes for everything from Plasmoids, to the wallpaper, to the icons etc. The artwork is still being refreshed, updated and being worked on. For comparison, this is what KRunner looks like in KDE4 Beta (http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/kdebeta1_plasma.png) and this is the latest look developed for it (http://davigno.oxygen-icons.org/i/runner-1.jpg). Keep this in mind when judging it! KDE4 is going to look beautiful as it has some talent artists working for it and its going to be a long way from KDE3.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You seem to have missed the fact they have abstracted every section of their API. Phonon will have a direct sound backend, they are building their own HAL on top of the Linux system. Guess what, there will be a Windows binding as well. The entire API is designed with porting in mind and a full Windows port is almost a certainty.
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2How about easier use ACROSS windows AND linux? I drop bad eggs that don't go with me where I go. I'm no great fan of any OS or environment, nor do I appreciate having to use wildly different applications across different operating systems.
I'm eagerly anticipating KDE 4.0 though. - Zettablade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wait until the release candidate. That's when the looks will be polished.
- JohnFlux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I agree about the background thing - I hate the background for that graph. And I'm the author of that app!
I needed a temporary svg just to test it worked - so I grabbed an svg from elsewhere ( I think the battleship game heh). I have spent the majority of my time working just on the process list, trying to make it not suck. It's a real shame they didn't show that instead.
The process list thing now shows instantly and is very useful. It's also very pretty (in my biased opinion of course). The numbers it shows for memory usage actually mean something, as opposed to the random numbers that were shown in kde3. A much larger amount of information about processes is now available, but with much fewer number of columns. - Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thanks for clarifying. I hate people who release pre-release screens ;) Like I said, I really want to like KDE4, but it just has to be minimal and consistant for me to like it i think.
- XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I never knew you were geek enough not to use IP Telephony, bastard, you forgot Decibel.
- Zettablade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Simple. Their widgets, that replace things like kicker, superkaramba, your desktop background, and your desktop icons. You can even add to it, to customize it however you choose. Instead of calling them widgets, their called plasmoids.
Each plasmoid is essentially just a script. It can be written in python, ruby, lua, or w/e is supported. This is possible because of the wonderful library their calling Kross, which you can use to interpret multiple scripting languages without actually having to add the support yourself.
You can install, remove, and use plasmoids. An icon on the desktop is now nothing more then a plasmoid. Because their scriptable, we'll see plenty of user submitted plasmoids, and perhaps some companies will develop the (digg, I'm looking at you)
Weather applets, system info, rss streams, blogging, last.fm stats, file monitors, package managers, calenders, process managers, etc. will all be possible. Just about anything you want or need can be done.
And that's your explanation. - Skeithy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey I was just talking about how those two will go towards KDE being able to run anywhere. But Decibel gives me a warm fuzzy feeling since gnome and kde are working together on the telepathy specification. Plus Kopete will use Decibel fully by 4.1 last I heard.
- Aninhumer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I may just be used to it, but as far as I'm concerned the fonts I've seen in Linux are better than Windows, which always seems blocky and over-sharpened, and similar, if better than, the examples of OSX that I've seen. They always seem to look smooth and sharp at the same time.
(I have never used OSX, so I can only compare to screenshots) - KoZo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have been a Gnome fan lately, but this KDE4 is shaping up to be way to exciting to just pass by.
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