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- chieffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15To be fair Gimpshop is modeled on an Adobe product not a Microsoft one. The author states that he listed it instead of the GIMP because making the transition from Photoshop to the GIMP easier. It's the first step.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Free:
AVG Free Edition
Avast Free Edition
Free and Open Source:
ClamWin alongside of Winpooch - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The best way to convert everyone to free software is BitTorrent.
- EiderDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+912 applications comprises a "comprehensive" list?
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7the applications could think that the idea of an OS is unknown or unknowable.. perhaps they believe that they might run on an OS, but refuse to admit to run on one specific OS..
- johnstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6inkscape? not on list?
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9For the last time, GIMP/Gimpshop is not up to snuff yet.
Graphics pros need native CMYK editing, GIMP is useless without. I'll be the first to welcome this when they do it, but as of right now, there is nothing anti-FOSS about saying GIMP isn't comparable. - NotEvenClose, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"OS-Agnostic application"?? Does that mean the application has it's doubts that the OS does, in fact, actually exist?
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11You can also add Evolution now that a Windows port is out (someone could probably just compile it for Solaris/OSX/FreeBSD if it isn't already available).
Also conspicuously missing is the GIMP. GIMPshop being listed is some sort of admission/argument that the Windows/Microsoft Way is the Right Way. It looks like an implicit personal statement of the author. I personally prefer the GIMP as it's a matter of habits. Look how many people complain about Office 2007 ribbons... GIMP increases productivity if its UI is properly used and understood. - jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Not to nitpick, but Photoshop (against Adobe's best efforts it seems) runs in Linux, it just runs under Wine. This tutorial: http://www.alexandern.com/Photoshop_on_Linux_(how_to).html worked for me (though the version of Wine & Photoshop listed are a bit dated). This tutorial is aimed at Debian and derivative distos: http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/2006/10/10/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/.
All of this is possible because of companies like Pixar that needed to use Photoshop, also needed some of the advantages found in Linux (for their render farms). So they developed and contributed to Wine. - cgruber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes there's very few formats that VLC doesn't support. I think the newest even does windows media.
- AwwJeah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Does anyone have any recommendations for free anti-virus software?
- kokorhekkus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Most glaring omission in my eyes: VLC
I'm using it for viewing DVDs, watching TV via my PVR-500 card and of course movies. I bet many VLC users have started with some other software for doing these things and then been recommended VLC and liked it (regardless of OS). - mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah, utorrent for windows and bits on wheels for mac os x are both way better in my opinion.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I like Azureus, but unfortunately, it's a bit bloated. If only it could be cross-platform without being a memory hog.
- vexx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you wanted to switch Ktorrent is a good replacement for uTorrent. Amarok is a excellent music player, WinAmp used to be my favorite until I switched to Linux I figured I would use xmms which is a WinAmp clone, until I used Amarok which has been my favorite ever since.
Now as far a Photoshop goes, you can run it under WINE but I don't know what kind of problems you would encounter though. I would go to www.winehq.com and check for your app in the appdb.
If you want to switch but your tied to a particular piece of software, then I would try dual booting for a while and only boot into windows when you need to. That's what I did and eventually I removed Windows to get more space under Linux and have yet to reinstall Windows on my computer since. - manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@kckman
No, they aren't. They're abandoning support for the previous free version, as they've released a new one. - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9"what I laughingly refer to as OS Agnosticism"
So... the author doesn't believe that there's any proof these OS's really exist?
Seriously... wtf is OS agnosticism? That's perhaps the worst term I've heard all year - and the year's up. - google01103, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Nice topic, crappy article. If it was even an attempt at a comprehensive list it would be worth a digg, but this is just same-ol, same-ol.
ever heard of Java?
Mplayer?
Vlc?
Opera?
Gnubg?
Azureus?
Xv?
Picasa?
Google Earth?
Nvu? - brianboyko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'll agree here - for me, the GIMP has several features missing and several features implemented in an unusual way.
1) No Free-transform. I have to scale the layer, doing guesswork.
2) Typography support is near nil.
3) Doesn't paste directly into a layer, it gives me a "floating selection" and I have to create the layer under it, why have the extra step?
4) No CYMK support
5) No automated effects that can be turned on-and-off at will or mapped to transparancy - like bevel effects, dropshadows, etc.
Indeed, Photoshop is the ONLY application that keeps me on Windows XP. - bangmalley, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2all those are great software!
- DevilotX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What about Frozen-Bubble?
- Jist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2AwwJeah - AVG for Windows and ClamXav for Mac's.
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1
http://www.clamxav.com/
There are others. You just have to look around. I actually found VirusBarrier X4 as a free download, but when I tried to run it they wanted a serial number. I don't know why they would give the program away if you can't use it. - tekrat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Evolution for Windows:
http://evolution-win32.sourceforge.net/ - maus56, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I doubt it
- GnuTzu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Are you suggesting that such posts should be directed to a beginners category?
Yes, most Digg users should know about these, but that doesn't mean that aren't worth further discussion, and that doesn't mean that Digg is only for experienced users.
(Personally, I prefer to be a little more reserved in my use the "lame" button. Digg is open to the general public. I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of pumping up the ego with elitist notions.) - Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2avast! antivirus is pretty good... I'm using it now, and there's no significant slowdown (like what most AV software causes)
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You should have posted this in Software so the people who don't normally read Linux/Unix could see it too.
- ishmal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes. Inkscape! Linux, Windows, OSX, & other scary places.
- Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For all those moaning about cmyk support in GIMP; there is a plugin-
http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml - mojaam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Nice list there but there are just so many software I am used to using on Windows; Photoshop, WinAmp, uTorrent (though it's minor and can also run on WINE), VLC/other media players, etc. Not a microsoft fan but their OS do have the software that's keeping most of us from changing.
- livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There are a few WinAmp (classic) clones for Linux. For example I use Audacious and most people are familiar with XMMS. And both these can use any of the skins as WinAmp classic.
But for my music files management and playing I use amaroK. Have yet to see a player like it in anywhere. - TanNg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep. It seems like most handsome one-eye person of the year.
- stalinvlad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2VLC rocks, if you have not tried it please do
- chieffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The title was meant to say "free software" (I prefer that to "open source") not just "free" but spell-checker doesn't pick up missing words. My mistake sorry.
- x3nos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, it would be the "Doubtful or noncommittal" version of the definition in this case, which still is not accurate. OS-independent would be more accurate to describe what I think the author was meaning.
"I don't think that word means what you think it means" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I digg the article, bury the comments. Not everyone knows about these applications, especially the most-likely intended audience. Linux folks sometimes shoot their own foot off. I doubt the article was meant for folks who already know about these apps.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about using wxWidgets or some other abstraction library then? I think VLC (which is another app that could be on the list) might be using wxWidgets, I know aMule does (which is another app that could be on the list).
- stalinvlad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I use Opera for BT, very nice browser, also OS agnostic, not FLOSS
- hadak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i have a spare wintv go plus card i'm going to return, since i got my pvr150 for my myth box.... but i might just hang on to it, if you can tell me how to watch tv with it in vlc. :)
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1utorrent runs awesomely in Wine, so it's my preferred BT app.
- tobyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, you don't have a very FORGIVING sense of humor ;)
- GoEKniGhtofNi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2AntiVir
http://www.free-av.com/ - austindkelly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3this is far from comprehensive. firefox... comeone, there have got to be some other apps that could have made it on this list.
- Fatalis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3or maybe your jokes just aren't very good
- HsoKinees, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i used to use antivir but for some odd reason, it and zone alarm didn't get along.. when i loaded a website with alot of content, they both seemed to just disable themselves... antivir was just a pain in my butt -.- but now i use the incredibly (non-free :P) nod32! XD
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://osswin.sourceforge.net/
The best FLOSS alternatives for Windows site in my opinion - ishmal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Keep in mind that although a lot of GUI's are just wrappers around an application, for a GUI-centric app like most desktop content generators, the GUI is everything. For something as intensive as a desktop editing tool, which most of these are, being native on every platform would basically entail duplicating the vast majority of the app on each platform. You are in effect turning the labor of one app into 3.
Now if you were the Roman Empire and could just allot more slaves to the problem, sure. But the developers are busy enough writing -one- set of code. And they would rather spend their time attacking the problem domain than infinite varieties of deployment. When would they be able to rest and say "job well done?" Never. - prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually OS independent does not describe the apps properly either.
Multiplatform is the best description as most of these apps do have non-supported OSs. They also need a recompile to run from one OS to another. - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I doubt it, just another one of "those" articles...
They could have mentioned way more apps. -
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