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- cday, on 10/12/2007, -9/+89I can't see anything to hate about Ubuntu...
~ It's free (as in Freedom from lock-in).
~ It has improved amazingly, and grown LOTS more user-friendly in a VERY short time, and promises to get even better with every upgrade.
~ It's free (as in no charge).
~ It is gaining an enthusiastic and loyal community, worldwide.
~ It's free (as in freedom to give it away, customize it, install it on all the computers you want, no ugly EULAs, no WGA nonsense, etc.)
~ Mark Shuttleworth is WAY nicer than CTO (Chair-Tossing Ogre) Steve Ballmer, and Mark has never threatened to sue anyone.
~ Did I mention that it's free?
Hey, what's not to like?
Personally, I think the mouth-frothers might just be jealous. :o) - groggyboy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49I wonder how long it will be before the Ubuntu haters start frothing at the mouth over this article...
horay for ubuntu! - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45@Ignignokt01
It isn't ubuntu that doesn't support the software, it is the software that doesn't support Ubuntu. Your disliking is in the wrong place. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38Even if they do, there's always going to be Debian
- Spo8, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37I know no one has posted yet, but the Ubuntu haters really need to take a step back and look at what they're saying. They throw insults around such as "Noobuntu," actually taking pride in Linux's inherent lack of user friendliness. Ubuntu is the best shot Linux has ever had at bringing itself mainstream, and some "hardcore" fans are trying their hardest to keep it from happening.
- furto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33i live in australia, in this tiny little town and i went to the local store and the guy at the counter goes 'ryan come have a look at the computers' and he has got someone to put ubuntu on all the internet cafe computers! i thought that was just pretty awesome.. he says everyone thinks he has super fast computers there now because ubuntu runs so quick XD.. go ubuntu and open source!!
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35It's free, nobody forces you to use it -- why hate it?
- traherom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17To be perfectly fair to Red Hat, IBM has always been fairly Linux friendly. The same could hardly be said of, say, Microsoft.
- SpringBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I'm wondering - can Ubuntu really be described as "a grassroots effort"? You know, seeing as it has a huge amount of corporate funding from Canonical.
As far as I see, Ubuntu is pretty much the same as the "community" distros of the companies like Red Hat (Fedora) and Novell (openSUSE). All of them have a traditional community around them but are backed by corporate finance, thus negating the "grassroots" aspect in my mind. - bluenova, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The pure fact that the FSF were able to make a fork, makes Ubuntu free as in freedom.
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The people calling it "noobuntu" are probably new linux users themselves.
I've been using linux as a desktop since 1994... starting with Yggdrasil. I went through the upgrade from a.out to elf (you thought the change from gcc 2.x to 3.0 was bad?)
I use ubuntu on all of my machines. It's a great distro that's just a joy to use. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19I was a Red Hat fan boi, then they sold out to IBM for protection from the big bad Microsoft...
Then I was a card carrying Novell supporter (I even got the DVDs in the mail), then they sold out to Microsoft...
Now, I'm a Ubuntu loyalist and the only thing I'm left wondering is who they'll sell out to... - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That's not Ubuntu's fault... you are just a typical victim of the Microsoft vendor lock in scheme.
I feel bad for you, I really do. - TritonX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I think the FSF might be a little zealous in their approach. Most don't really care that they can't access the source of their drivers. I don't mind proprietary code as long as it does what it have to do, and doesn't prevent me from doing anything. Using the video card as an exemple, I paid the manufacturer some money, so I expect the best support for any platform it can fit in. And for those insisting on using open source driver, go for it, they exist. Personnaly the best news I heard so far concerning the next release, Fiesty Fawn, is the inclusion of the proprietary driver , it will do a lot for those who still have a little trouble playing in the terminal and finding tutorial on the net. We need the newbies to get popular acceptance. I still don't get it why they won't use proprietary drivers that the manufacturers provides, I heard it was because of lawyers, I hope this issue will be resolved and we never hear from it again.
- simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10it's about the 90's, they can't let go... like hippies and the 70s
- BartSwordfish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Nothing against Linux or Ubuntu but I have to bury this digg. The article doesn't say much of anything and the title is somewhat misleading. The best part of the article is the link to the previous review. The review should have been dugg.
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Can you explain how redhat sold to IBM ?
- munozm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, just imagine. You can say you know a millionaire. Wow!
Not sure how your situation is typical btw... - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Ubuntu haters" don't hate Ubuntu itself - it's certainly a nice distro. Sadly, however, many other great distros get wrongfully overlooked, because people get the false impression that Ubuntu is doing something extremely innovative.
What people DO hate are the Ubuntu fanboys who have used Ubuntu for 3 days and Digg down any comment that don't worship Ubuntu.
These are mainly the people who will be Digging this comment down....... - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Ignignokt01,
You dislike it because it doesn't support loads of software that Windows does? That ain't Ubuntu's fault. - munozm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You know why Ubuntu is successful so far? Simple. User support. The Ubuntu forum is very friendly. Even for simple questions. When people post comments trashing Ubuntu, the community still responds kindly asking what they didn't like and wishing them luck on whatever OS they pick. As long as the forum stays strong, I think the distro will flourish.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The true community distros can never sell out or be taken away. Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, these are all here to stay. Even if they change the name or fork or whatever to do it, these distros are run by the community and cannot be sold out.
- darkchild, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5[QUOTE]
I'm wondering - can Ubuntu really be described as "a grassroots effort"? You know, seeing as it has a huge amount of corporate funding from Canonical.
As far as I see, Ubuntu is pretty much the same as the "community" distros of the companies like Red Hat (Fedora) and Novell (openSUSE). All of them have a traditional community around them but are backed by corporate finance, thus negating the "grassroots" aspect in my mind.
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I never saw things this way, but I guess you are right. Ubuntu has had a lot of cash injection from Canonical and although the Ubuntu Foundation exists, Ubuntu is still Canonicals baby. This is not so different from Fedora Core, OpenSuse or the GPLed version of Mandriva. For me grassroots distros are probably the likes of Debian, Gentoo, Arch et al where everything is done of a voluntary basis without any coporate finance.
Maybe Ubuntu will eventually be set free by Canonical, but I don't think Shuttleworth is going to let go anytime soon because he seems to have a lot of ambition for Ubuntu and I don't think Ubuntu is at the level that he would like. - insidesource, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@CaptainFuture
Why, yes. Yes you can...
Profile+Settings>Manage Topics>Technology>Untick Linux/Unix - slappo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This is a blog with more Microsoft ads than content. They are just trying to stir up a debate to get more hits and more ads.
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm waiting until someone makes cthulubuntu.
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oops. Bury.
- drproteus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Thing is, Ubuntu is just the distribution of the moment - the one everyone is talking about. A few years ago it all gentoo this, gentoo that and before that it was all Mandrake linux.
Guess what it? Ubuntu will one day stagnate and another will rise in its place. That is the beauty of open source. - TritonX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Huge ? even a few millions is nothing compared to what other commercial OS gets just for marketing.
- cantormath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think its important to note the ubuntu community does not hate any other distribution, but rather, we support all distributions of Linux or UNIX. as long as its not windows we are great.
- kassaralzabadi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@SpringBoy & darkchild
I think ubuntu is VERY different from OpenSuse and Fedora. These are "side" products of the main business of the company (Suse, Red Hat)
Mark Shuttleworth's Canonical is mainly focused on developing and promoting open source software products, and supporting the open source community.
Besides, Mark Shuttleworth is the FIRST Patron of KDE http://dot.kde.org/1160932072/
Ubuntu did great in the last year, and April's release is very much waited for the improvements in GUI! - jayc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wholeheartedly disagree. I have quite a bit of experience with the "distribution of the year" phenomenon of the past from doing Installfests at my university for the past several years. Before Ubuntu we would offer Fedora, Mandrake, and sometimes SuSE. It was an absolute mess.
These were all laptops so there was funky hardware. Even well-supported hardware like the Centrino wireless cards were a pain to get working. In Fedora you had to download kernel sources, compile driver, and download firmware, install it. And that was considered one of the more well-supported cards.
Ever since Ubuntu has come out every new install we've done has been Ubuntu. It has made everything go faster and much easier. You just can't create a new distribution of the month like you're claiming and have it replace Ubuntu. It's just like how Ubuntu couldn't possibly exist in its current form without Debian.
Also, you can't even compare the Gentoo fad with that of Ubuntu. Gentoo has a small niche that it fills. Ubuntu is about mass-appeal.
So, to those who claim Ubuntu is just a fad, it's obviously not. There's a reason more and more people are using it. It's not because it's the cool thing to do. It's because it works. - muramasa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I have nothing against Ubuntu. I don't use it, but it's cool, I've tried it out.
But. This isn't even an article. Why is this on the front page? Please, for the love of god. Don't just Digg anything that has the word Ubuntu in the title or description. - AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Hopefully it'll be Slackware..
(Nothing against Ubuntu, probably the most comfortable distro around) - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Even if they do, there's always going to be Debian"
Indeed... and I've already swtiched, it's my new "favorite OS", its nice and minimal and I love it! I don't mind Ubuntu devs patching Debian though ;) - archanox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I love the publicity Ubuntu is getting recently, people who haven't heard of linux before are interested, I for one like hearing about Ubuntu and how its name is being spread.
BTW it's 'marching to the beat of its own drum'. - AndreGerber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This is so typical. As I have mentioned countless times before, I live in South Africa, Durbanville. Anyway, I have to get this off my chest. Mark Shuttleworth lived here down the street. he was literally about 2 blocks away. So typical that he becomes a millionaire while I am sitting here, never even bothering to get to know him or his family. Now, if I had actually done that...imagine...
But no use crying over spilled milk. - natterca, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No. Ever heard of KMSMA (Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass) linux? C'mon a general easy to use and popular Linux distro is a good thing.
- ldog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why not just use wine for WoW ?
Vanilla wine, not cedega. - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The one thing that makes me feel a little safe in the context of ubuntu is that it isn't a commercial distro like this guy is saying.
It's pretty obvious that MS is painting a bulls-eye on Red Hat and possibly Oracle to. I'm personally boycotting Novell (I'd recommend the same to other long time Linux supporters as well if they aren't already) and for now it looks like non-commercial distros are flying under the radar. Here's to hoping that lasts. - johnstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2me and most of my friends run ubuntu now. ubuntu rockzorz
- labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just started using ubuntu on Friday and I'm amazed at how friendly of an operating system it is.
I still have a windows partition to play WoW, but for all other applications ubuntu really takes the cake! - rockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Somebody forgot to mention that Mark Shuttleworth has been to space.... to SPACE !
- abyssknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't call it grassroots, it's Shuttleworth. Otherwise, digg. :)
- darkchild, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6[QUOTE]
It's great that people think that Ubuntu stuff is free as in freedom.
But they really should do more reading before making such claims.
The FSF has spun off a distro from Ubuntu to address this exact issue.
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I am not sure why you were dug down when you make such an excellent and valid point. I guess some of the Ubuntu fanboys cannot face the reality that there are some philosophical and technical problems with Ubuntu. Its well known that Ubuntu and many other Linux distros do not meet the FSFs definition of Free as in "Freedom" because of the inclusion of proprietary stuff whose code is closed so you cannot access the code if you want it. On Ubuntu this is seen with the inclusion of non free Wireless drivers and soon the inclusion of proprietary graphics drivers.
I personally don't have a problem with Ubuntu including proprietary stuff, because I can see how some people can benefit from this convenience, but this means that unlike Debian, Ubuntu is not really "free" according to the FSF definition and thats why gnewsense is endorsed by the FSF. - hpsmasher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Having tried many distros over the years ubuntu is probably my favorite. Its recent publicity is definitely making a positive change in the way people view linux.
My laptop is running edgy + aiglx + beryl and looks awesome and runs smooth. Getting wireless and my screen res correct with ndiswrapper/915resolution is always annoying tho. - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ubuntu was my first _real_ distro. My first was Mandrake and I didn't really like it... it was great and I did like linux because of it but somehow I didn't use linux as my main OS after that. Then I used Fedora Core and it was pretty much the same thing... then about a year later (when Hoary came out) I checked out Ubuntu, and I stuck with it for about 1.5 years (until Dapper came out). It was really great and so easy to use... but it felt a bit sluggish and a bit bloated. I thought I might check out Debian since that's what Ubuntu is based off. Surprisingly Ubuntu offered no real advantage over Debian... everything felt the same when setting it up, except Debian had a lot less features (like 1/10 of the amount of System > Administration/Preferences entries), well it wasn't really less features... just less bloat I guess ;)
Right now I'm running a minimal install of Debian with Openbox and the least amount of packages I could install to get a functional OS. There are still some things I need to setup like plug and play mounting etc.
My PC is an AMD64 3200+ with 1gb so it definitely does not require Openbox to run fast, but it was a whiff of fresh air and a very nice, quick and minimal WM. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I have tried to get it to work on my compact presario 2100 notebook that has a belkin wireless card. After about two weeks of pouring over various boards and forums, I could not get it to work."
To be fair, it's not Ubuntu's fault, but the wireless manufacturer's as they refuse to open up their specs.
I also have a Presario 2100 series notebook, and I used Linuxant's Driverloader. It works flawlessly:
http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/
It's not free (one-time 20$ fee) but it works much better than ndiswrapper. I imagine in 6 months or so we'll be able to use the new Linux wireless stack (devicescape, I think it's called?) but right now this is your best bet. - t3st3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Using Kubuntu.Simple rocks!KDE rulez.And got real root (use su or sudo sh and then passwd root :) so you're have root if you really need it)
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe you could send out some oddly phrased and poorly spelled emails?
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